Has Bowyer lost it?

oohaahmortimer said:

hatrick of posts for Cafc43v3r 👏👏👏

JamesSeed said:

MuttleyCAFC said: hi

Yes, I'd be ok if any of it was as isolated thing. Halo's can slip and it can be a learning point. We have all probably said things we regret at some point. If Bowyer came out and admitted he had got things wrong, said he was going to apologise to his players and create a fresh start, I would be ok too.

But I am looking at this from how players would look at it and I don't think our on the pitch issues can be pointed at them. Ultimately, Bowyer can't go out on the pitch with his coaching staff and win us any games. It is the team that can do that, and they are not a bad squad for League One. Top 6 easily.  

For god sake Muttley, I can’t take any more of this without saying something. Why the apostrophe in halo’s?!

se9addick said:

oohaahmortimer said:

Inniss hasn’t been in the team long enough to get shit 

He’s been out of it long enough to become a world beater though! 

peterreeves said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

se9addick said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

But I only wanted him out when he started being ultra negative and digging out players. I was very positive towards him before that.

Quote button is your friend Mutts, hard to keep up with who you are responding to without the use of it. 

Apologies. I don't think it is hard to work out the point I am making though whether you agree with it or not.

For what it's worth Muttley I agree with your thoughts on this whole sordid mess... LB needs to go or relegation is a strong possibility.

I've always found your postings to be very balanced so I'm a bit gobsmacked at some of the comments made towards you but this is what supporting Charlton is like... A big family who don't always agree with each other but the love of the club doesn't change! 

DOUCHER said:

i propose we suspend the red red robin and introduce the players onto the pitch with the circus theme tune 

Covered End said:

A question to those that think Bowyer is CURRENTLY doing a good job as manager.

If you have lost your two centre halves through injury and are shipping goals as a result, what would be the sensible thing to do to try and prevent teams scoring ?

Bowyer tried Gunter and Pratley but did not protect them sufficiently and it failed.

Eventually Pearce and Oshilaja returned from injury and he obviously knew their deficiencies, but he didn't protect them sufficiently either.

Famewo (not totally fit) returns to play alongside Oshilaja and he still offers them little protection.

I won't go back to November, because there is little point, but what he has done in the last 2 games?

Against Burton he played (attacking) wing back AND wingers And he had Oshilaja over lapping down the left wing. Effectively playing 3 left wingers and 2 right wingers and no protection for the centre backs, even though Oshilaja is shooting off down the left wing as well.

Against Blackpool he still plays 2 wingers (if you're doing that they have got to win you the game or it's a bit like playing with 9 men.

But no he compounds the weakness of 2 v 4 in midfield by playing Shinnie and Pratley.
Shinnie can't tackle effectively and so Pratley is up to a point trying to stop 4 midfielders by himself.

Is it any wonder that Pratley was charging round the pitch like a lunatic desperately trying to stop Blackpool single handed and fouling all and sundry as a result?

Then when everyone could see Pratley was likely to get sent off, having had numerous warnings and a yellow card he didn't sub him.

I'll only touch on picking the wrong players and formation most games resulting in him making numerous substitutions EVERY game.

The Blackpool manager knew it, all the other managers knew it and even most of our fans can see it (not all).

The obvious answer is you make your team hard to beat you don't play wingers and wing backs and overlapping centre halves, you keep it tight, not wide open.

You play 3/4 in the middle and you defend from front to back with 2 banks of players in front of your defence, so that much of the time the opposition can't get at your weak defence.

It's so simple and yet 3 months later Bowyer continues to make matters worse each game.

Bowyer demonstrated he could manage good players when they were winning.
But he has failed miserably in showing the slightest understanding that he can set up a team to defend as a team and protect his defence and keeper from players being able to shoot unchallenged every single game.

Quite honestly it is staggering after 3 months.  

MuttleyCAFC said:

Covered End said:

A question to those that think Bowyer is CURRENTLY doing a good job as manager.

If you have lost your two centre halves through injury and are shipping goals as a result, what would be the sensible thing to do to try and prevent teams scoring ?

Bowyer tried Gunter and Pratley but did not protect them sufficiently and it failed.

Eventually Pearce and Oshilaja returned from injury and he obviously knew their deficiencies, but he didn't protect them sufficiently either.

Famewo (not totally fit) returns to play alongside Oshilaja and he still offers them little protection.

I won't go back to November, because there is little point, but what he has done in the last 2 games?

Against Burton he played (attacking) wing back AND wingers And he had Oshilaja over lapping down the left wing. Effectively playing 3 left wingers and 2 right wingers and no protection for the centre backs, even though Oshilaja is shooting off down the left wing as well.

Against Blackpool he still plays 2 wingers (if you're doing that they have got to win you the game or it's a bit like playing with 9 men.

But no he compounds the weakness of 2 v 4 in midfield by playing Shinnie and Pratley.
Shinnie can't tackle effectively and so Pratley is up to a point trying to stop 4 midfielders by himself.

Is it any wonder that Pratley was charging round the pitch like a lunatic desperately trying to stop Blackpool single handed and fouling all and sundry as a result?

Then when everyone could see Pratley was likely to get sent off, having had numerous warnings and a yellow card he didn't sub him.

I'll only touch on picking the wrong players and formation most games resulting in him making numerous substitutions EVERY game.

The Blackpool manager knew it, all the other managers knew it and even most of our fans can see it (not all).

The obvious answer is you make your team hard to beat you don't play wingers and wing backs and overlapping centre halves, you keep it tight, not wide open.

You play 3/4 in the middle and you defend from front to back with 2 banks of players in front of your defence, so that much of the time the opposition can't get at your weak defence.

It's so simple and yet 3 months later Bowyer continues to make matters worse each game.

Bowyer demonstrated he could manage good players when they were winning.
But he has failed miserably in showing the slightest understanding that he can set up a team to defend as a team and protect his defence and keeper from players being able to shoot unchallenged every single game.

Quite honestly it is staggering after 3 months.  

Good post. He possibly could give Millar a free role behind the front two of Aneke and Stockley at the Valley but effectively two in midfield is suicidal.

MuttleyCAFC said:

peterreeves said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

se9addick said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

But I only wanted him out when he started being ultra negative and digging out players. I was very positive towards him before that.

Quote button is your friend Mutts, hard to keep up with who you are responding to without the use of it. 

Apologies. I don't think it is hard to work out the point I am making though whether you agree with it or not.

For what it's worth Muttley I agree with your thoughts on this whole sordid mess... LB needs to go or relegation is a strong possibility.

I've always found your postings to be very balanced so I'm a bit gobsmacked at some of the comments made towards you but this is what supporting Charlton is like... A big family who don't always agree with each other but the love of the club doesn't change! 

I'm not bothered about it mate. I called this a few months back when we still had a chance of a winning season. The people trying to land the blows are the ostriches and it is usually the messenger these people aim at. It was the same with Southall. All good here, apart from one big fat wasted season that could unthinkably get worse.

MuttleyCAFC said:

I doubt they are ok with it. What we have learned is that sacking Bowyer will blow a massive hole in the League One budget. Money that wasn't part of the plan to spend. IMO Bowyer has (proverbial) the club over.

This is very sad because Bowyer wasn't always like this, but whilst he is in the job he may do something that deserves a proper sacking. He does have a history of it after all. 

MuttleyCAFC said:

It seems you can criticise the players all you like and even call them unprofessional and rubbish as many Bowyer supporters have done, but you can't do the same to him if you believe he is the problem. 

Dazzler21 said:

StigThundercock said:

If Bowyer really thinks that Matt Smith offers more to Charlton's midfield than Albie Morgan, based on the hour or so we've seen from the pisstaking blnd shirker, his head needs a wobble.  Albie's not perfect but he definitely tries - Smith has just ripped the piss so far and if he's selected again this season we'll be in the deepest schtuck with nobody else to choose from.  IF he's ever got involved he's just meekly fallen over and given the ball away
IF Bowyer thinks DJ is worth anything more than a ferocious kick in the nuts then he needs to get his medication checked - DJ makes Matt Smith look like Jimmy Case!
Massive amount of money burned on those two wankers - selecting either one makes a massive wanker of the manager. 

You're weird. 

StigThundercock said:

If Bowyer really thinks that Matt Smith offers more to Charlton's midfield than Albie Morgan, based on the hour or so we've seen from the pisstaking blnd shirker, his head needs a wobble.  Albie's not perfect but he definitely tries - Smith has just ripped the piss so far and if he's selected again this season we'll be in the deepest schtuck with nobody else to choose from.  IF he's ever got involved he's just meekly fallen over and given the ball away
IF Bowyer thinks DJ is worth anything more than a ferocious kick in the nuts then he needs to get his medication checked - DJ makes Matt Smith look like Jimmy Case!
Massive amount of money burned on those two wankers - selecting either one makes a massive wanker of the manager.