Not a discussion if the right thing to do or not, just wondering why it was done before the game this evening when I thought it doesn't take place at our home games. Apologies if covered elsewhere (I did a quick check but didn't find anything)
No, not seen it happen at home before - I may have missed when it has but certainly not happened before many home games. Les Ferdinand took the decision for it to stop happening at QPR but I think I heard that may have changed. Again, it might be due to the opposition's wishes. Quite different before the 6 Nations games
Quite a few bame players have called it out - so I can see it stopping.
It's fizzling out so it'll stop at the end of the season. And rightly, too - corporations have seized upon the idea, and the media narrative has shifted to the actual action itself as "the thing", rather than the actual underlying reason behind the knee.
The FA and other authorities are probably loving the knee, because it makes it look like they're doing something when absolutely nothing is being done whatsoever.
Do I support the notion of the knee? Of course. I think we all do. But it's not doing anything. Take the fight to where it can truly engender change.
Quite a few bame players have called it out - so I can see it stopping.
It's fizzling out so it'll stop at the end of the season. And rightly, too - corporations have seized upon the idea, and the media narrative has shifted to the actual action itself as "the thing", rather than the actual underlying reason behind the knee.
The FA and other authorities are probably loving the knee, because it makes it look like they're doing something when absolutely nothing is being done whatsoever.
Do I support the notion of the knee? Of course. I think we all do. But it's not doing anything. Take the fight to where it can truly engender change.
I completely agree with you Paddy, apart from that in bold. I suspect some of us don't.
Quite a few bame players have called it out - so I can see it stopping.
It's fizzling out so it'll stop at the end of the season. And rightly, too - corporations have seized upon the idea, and the media narrative has shifted to the actual action itself as "the thing", rather than the actual underlying reason behind the knee.
The FA and other authorities are probably loving the knee, because it makes it look like they're doing something when absolutely nothing is being done whatsoever.
Do I support the notion of the knee? Of course. I think we all do. But it's not doing anything. Take the fight to where it can truly engender change.
I completely agree with you Paddy, apart from that in bold. I suspect some of us don't.
Okay - well, hopefully it's only a very small minority of people who think racism is okay.
If people are discussing it, it is still working for me.
I think the discussion has evolved and is now more about the action than the meaning behind it.
I've seen a lot of players discuss stopping because it's lost it's meaning but what I really want to read is what will be done instead that will have a bigger impact.
Quite a few bame players have called it out - so I can see it stopping.
It's fizzling out so it'll stop at the end of the season. And rightly, too - corporations have seized upon the idea, and the media narrative has shifted to the actual action itself as "the thing", rather than the actual underlying reason behind the knee.
The FA and other authorities are probably loving the knee, because it makes it look like they're doing something when absolutely nothing is being done whatsoever.
Do I support the notion of the knee? Of course. I think we all do. But it's not doing anything. Take the fight to where it can truly engender change.
I completely agree with you Paddy, apart from that in bold. I suspect some of us don't.
Okay - well, hopefully it's only a very small minority of people who think racism is okay.
(edit - to add the word "only" in the sentence)
That’s a ridiculous comment tbh PaddyP17. Using your logic, the many POC who've come out against the action must also think racism is okay, which clearly is absurd.
Quite a few bame players have called it out - so I can see it stopping.
It's fizzling out so it'll stop at the end of the season. And rightly, too - corporations have seized upon the idea, and the media narrative has shifted to the actual action itself as "the thing", rather than the actual underlying reason behind the knee.
The FA and other authorities are probably loving the knee, because it makes it look like they're doing something when absolutely nothing is being done whatsoever.
Do I support the notion of the knee? Of course. I think we all do. But it's not doing anything. Take the fight to where it can truly engender change.
I completely agree with you Paddy, apart from that in bold. I suspect some of us don't.
Okay - well, hopefully it's only a very small minority of people who think racism is okay.
(edit - to add the word "only" in the sentence)
That’s a ridiculous comment tbh PaddyP17. Using your logic, the many POC who've come out against the action must also think racism is okay, which clearly is absurd.
I think you're misreading what I've written/unfairly (but not necessarily intentionally) taken it out of context, particularly as I've said the action should rightly stop?
Quite a few bame players have called it out - so I can see it stopping.
Yeah Lyle Taylor doesn't like it, so world football's probably going to knock it on the head now.
Strange person you not lt
i do not agree with the taken a knee as I feel it doesn’t do anything it’s a meaningless gesture. Players are still racially abused on social media after matches.
Quite a few bame players have called it out - so I can see it stopping.
Yeah Lyle Taylor doesn't like it, so world football's probably going to knock it on the head now.
I don’t like Taylor after the way he left us but what I thought he said was spot on.
There’s more that should be done to stop racism but associating with the BLM which is a markxist organisation isn’t the right way IMO.
Okay, except:
1) the BLM affiliation was dropped well before Taylor made his comments;
2) I don't think the average footballer is consciously extolling the virtues of Marxism when kneeling for a few seconds before a game (particularly given the number of players who also perform a black power salute); and
3) what's so bad about Marxism? Can you, or Lyle Taylor, or anyone else, define it in completion, and relate that satisfactorily to how a decentralised movement considers itself wholly Marxist, when the whole point of a decentralised movement is that it is decentralised?
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I believe this makes it about even in terms of comments from different perspectives on BLM/taking a knee, and I will refrain from any further comment on this thread, and instead if you'd like to continue I suggest we move to the "Taking a knee" thread over on the House of Commoners
If people are discussing it, it is still working for me.
This. I’m interested to know what people who think it should be dropped suggest we do instead.
Depends what your taking the knee against, it’s 1st cause was against racial police brutality in the United States of America?
Not sure if that was a question but if it was, yes that was the first reason, to be united against it. Obviously more broadly it’s about combatting racism in all walks of life.
If people are discussing it, it is still working for me.
This. I’m interested to know what people who think it should be dropped suggest we do instead.
Depends what your taking the knee against, it’s 1st cause was against racial police brutality in the United States of America?
Not sure if that was a question but if it was, yes that was the first reason, to be united against it. Obviously more broadly it’s about combatting racism in all walks of life.
But it's not though. It's not in support of the 1000s of South Asians who've died constructing the Qatar World Cup stadiums, or the genocide of the Uyghur people in China
If people are discussing it, it is still working for me.
This. I’m interested to know what people who think it should be dropped suggest we do instead.
Depends what your taking the knee against, it’s 1st cause was against racial police brutality in the United States of America?
Not sure if that was a question but if it was, yes that was the first reason, to be united against it. Obviously more broadly it’s about combatting racism in all walks of life.
But it's not though. It's not in support of the 1000s of South Asians who've died constructing the Qatar World Cup stadiums, or the genocide of the Uyghur people in China
But it could be. Doing something. Anything. Is far better than doing nothing.
If people are discussing it, it is still working for me.
This. I’m interested to know what people who think it should be dropped suggest we do instead.
Depends what your taking the knee against, it’s 1st cause was against racial police brutality in the United States of America?
Not sure if that was a question but if it was, yes that was the first reason, to be united against it. Obviously more broadly it’s about combatting racism in all walks of life.
But it's not though. It's not in support of the 1000s of South Asians who've died constructing the Qatar World Cup stadiums, or the genocide of the Uyghur people in China
But it could be. Doing something. Anything. Is far better than doing nothing.
Is it though? And I ask that in all seriousness. Is at this point someone of any race facing discrimination cheering themselves up with the thought that hey, at least a bunch of league one football players knelt down for a few seconds?
Substantive action is ABSOLUTELY something to strive for and support. Performative actions that achieve nothing.... Well they achieve nothing. It's run it's course as a focal point and it's done as much out of habit as genuine support now.
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Yeah Lyle Taylor doesn't like it, so world football's probably going to knock it on the head now.
The FA and other authorities are probably loving the knee, because it makes it look like they're doing something when absolutely nothing is being done whatsoever.
Do I support the notion of the knee? Of course. I think we all do. But it's not doing anything. Take the fight to where it can truly engender change.
I completely agree with you Paddy, apart from that in bold. I suspect some of us don't.
(edit - to add the word "only" in the sentence)
I've seen a lot of players discuss stopping because it's lost it's meaning but what I really want to read is what will be done instead that will have a bigger impact.
i do not agree with the taken a knee as I feel it doesn’t do anything it’s a meaningless gesture. Players are still racially abused on social media after matches.
1) the BLM affiliation was dropped well before Taylor made his comments;
2) I don't think the average footballer is consciously extolling the virtues of Marxism when kneeling for a few seconds before a game (particularly given the number of players who also perform a black power salute); and
3) what's so bad about Marxism? Can you, or Lyle Taylor, or anyone else, define it in completion, and relate that satisfactorily to how a decentralised movement considers itself wholly Marxist, when the whole point of a decentralised movement is that it is decentralised?
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I believe this makes it about even in terms of comments from different perspectives on BLM/taking a knee, and I will refrain from any further comment on this thread, and instead if you'd like to continue I suggest we move to the "Taking a knee" thread over on the House of Commoners
Doing something. Anything. Is far better than doing nothing.
Substantive action is ABSOLUTELY something to strive for and support. Performative actions that achieve nothing.... Well they achieve nothing. It's run it's course as a focal point and it's done as much out of habit as genuine support now.