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Has Bowyer lost it?
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Are you seriously saying that no other manager could have done a better job?Leeds_Addick said:I think the defence is our issue and there's not an alternative manager that would get more out of them.
If we get Inniss and Famewo back then the side will look completely different but time is running out in terms of this season.
Think he deserves the season and especially when he hasn't had his first choice centre backs for over half of it.
Tired of the flip flopping depending on whether we win or lose.4 -
Massive exaggeration. We don’t have the quality of Bielik, Cullen, Taylor, Gallagher, Aribo etc which made lesser players look better.SELR_addicks said:
Pearce is worse year on yearCallumcafc said:
Or maybe that’s just the players we were left with once the transfer embargo got lifted while under a wage cap.SELR_addicks said:
The players got those moves because they are good enough to be Premier League or Championship players and we are in neither of those leagues.Callumcafc said:
Those players got those moves because of their performances and growth in Bowyer’s team. Grant could barely score in the football league before he was sent on loan. Aribo came out of non-league. Taylor came from Wimbledon. Bielik had had a loan spell at Walsall.FishCostaFortune said:
Tell me what league players from that winning team are playing in now.Callumcafc said:
You don’t get promoted out of this league if you’re a shit coach...soapy_jones said:
As someone said in the match thread, no crowds at home are probably saving his bacon, Danish bacon.carly burn said:Don't think there was much else Bows could do today tbh.
We are clearly missing crowds at home.
I just think Bowyer is a shit coach, a Charlton legend BUT a shit coach.
May come to him with more experience but it will keep us in L1, along with shit refs and pub teams of course!
You've still got to do the job for sure, but considering that XI are all championship and above quality you should be getting promoted.
If they were average players that Bowyer turned good, we'd have a squad of Premier League + Championship stars right now.As @Scoham said, these players from two years ago weren’t superstars before they arrived in SE7 but they definitely had untapped talent that Bowyer and co helped bring out.
If I had to compare this season’s squad, the phrase “putting lipstick on a pig” comes to mind.
Purrington is worse year on year
Matthews is worse year on year
Watson is worse year on year
Gilbey is worse year on year
Morgan is worse year on year
Williams is worse year on year
Doesn't seem like Bowyer has really made anyone into a better player over the previous year.
Of course Pearce and Watson are worse year on year at their age.
Williams never realty changed just had spells of form, he’s the kind of player I doubt will ever be consistent or really push on and improve.
Morgan’s improved but to push on he needs a run of games. I wouldn’t play him regularly over Shinnie or JFC at the moment though.
Gilbey’s a signing that hasn’t worked out, it happens to every manager.
Matthews needs game time to find consistency but Bowyer seems to really rate Gunter. Either way defending is a team issue rather than a problem with one or two individuals.5 -
Tend to agree.AFKABartram said:
I think you’re right, but I’d love to know who was behind that decision. I might be wrong but suspect it was not Bowyer. I’m not convinced how much say he has over the signings of individuals or positions.ISawLeaburnScore said:The decision not to sign a single defensively minded player (let alone an actual defender) in January when we conceded 20 goals in 12 games in December and January will lose Bowyer his job. It might not happen before the end of the season, but the defence, and his reckless attitude to doing anything about it, has written off any prospect of promotion in what is a substandard league.
The idea that a very inexperienced manager has complete overview of our budget and signing of players seems very misguided.0 -
Jesus christ, imagine how bad it has to get to be underachievingcharlton_hero said:5 -
Overachieving?? Is he taking the piss?charlton_hero said:5 -
We desperately need a defensive coach brought in.2
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Personally, that feels like you're reaching to find an excuse for him. Don't think there's any evidence of that, and he's got to be held accountable for it.AFKABartram said:
I think you’re right, but I’d love to know who was behind that decision. I might be wrong but suspect it was not Bowyer. I’m not convinced how much say he has over the signings of individuals or positions.ISawLeaburnScore said:The decision not to sign a single defensively minded player (let alone an actual defender) in January when we conceded 20 goals in 12 games in December and January will lose Bowyer his job. It might not happen before the end of the season, but the defence, and his reckless attitude to doing anything about it, has written off any prospect of promotion in what is a substandard league.4 -
Love to be watching us underachieving then...🤔charlton_hero said:0 -
Well that makes Zero sense - we are overachieving sitting outside the play offs with a load of players most league one managers would have loved to sign.charlton_hero said:
and if we don’t make the play offs the convo re his job may happen.
well seeing as we are outside the play offs is he suggesting Thomas won’t think we are currently overachieving?2 -
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At least Lee hasn't lost his sense of humour. Hopefully TS will give him a pay rise...charlton_hero said:0 -
I would imagine the user of overachieving is a mistake and he means underachieving. It would make sense with the rest of his sentence. If he actually meant overachieving then perhaps he needs to be sectioned.1
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Steve Brown wont let you down. I say get him in.Dazzler21 said:We desperately need a defensive coach brought in.1 -
Imagine where we'd be if we hadn't had that winning run when TS first took over!!0
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hudson-son-son said:I think this is the sort of stage where you start to behind the scenes sound out Paul Cook and see if he's interested.
With most managers linked or who realistically would be interested, you can talk yourself into them doing a good job if Bowyer was to go like the Cowleys and give excuses for why they struggled at Huddersfield etc.
But Cook just seems a bit of a no brainer and has been a success everywhere he has been so far (well ignoring his very first job). Kind of like Wilder was back in the day when he was choosing between us and Shefff Utd (how different could that have been).
I'm not going to pretend to have watched his teams loads to know about his history, or how his team play but when you look at literal results, he seems like he's who you'd want if you have a decent League One team and want to get promoted.
If the right manager isn't out there, I'm not against giving Bowyer to the Summer to see what happens, I know Chris Powell worked having a bit of time with the squad before the next season but I think you've seen enough managers been able to come right in and do a job if they are good so I don't think we need to rush it... but I think the right manager is sitting right there without a club at the moment, and is only available really because of the ridiculous situation going on at Wigan
Your final paragraph gives me hope Bowyer can replicate Chrissy Powell's record.
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Not got a clue @Uboat I don’t know anything that goes on at Charlton. Just my own thoughts. No doubt the salary cap had a massive impact on January recruitment though.Uboat said:
I’d be amazed if that was true. Do you know something?AFKABartram said:
I think you’re right, but I’d love to know who was behind that decision. I might be wrong but suspect it was not Bowyer. I’m not convinced how much say he has over the signings of individuals or positions.ISawLeaburnScore said:The decision not to sign a single defensively minded player (let alone an actual defender) in January when we conceded 20 goals in 12 games in December and January will lose Bowyer his job. It might not happen before the end of the season, but the defence, and his reckless attitude to doing anything about it, has written off any prospect of promotion in what is a substandard league.
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You may well be right mate, it’s a thought not a factCroydon said:
Personally, that feels like you're reaching to find an excuse for him. Don't think there's any evidence of that, and he's got to be held accountable for it.AFKABartram said:
I think you’re right, but I’d love to know who was behind that decision. I might be wrong but suspect it was not Bowyer. I’m not convinced how much say he has over the signings of individuals or positions.ISawLeaburnScore said:The decision not to sign a single defensively minded player (let alone an actual defender) in January when we conceded 20 goals in 12 games in December and January will lose Bowyer his job. It might not happen before the end of the season, but the defence, and his reckless attitude to doing anything about it, has written off any prospect of promotion in what is a substandard league.2 -
Thank God they're in charge.MattF said:0 -
I think Paul Cook is the one manager out there that you could talk me into getting on board with right now. Problem is, he's sitting on his hands waiting for a stable Championship gig. Maybe if nothing comes up before the beginning of next season, he'd consider a L1 promotion contender.hudson-son-son said:I think this is the sort of stage where you start to behind the scenes sound out Paul Cook and see if he's interested.
With most managers linked or who realistically would be interested, you can talk yourself into them doing a good job if Bowyer was to go like the Cowleys and give excuses for why they struggled at Huddersfield etc.
But Cook just seems a bit of a no brainer and has been a success everywhere he has been so far (well ignoring his very first job). Kind of like Wilder was back in the day when he was choosing between us and Shefff Utd (how different could that have been).
I'm not going to pretend to have watched his teams loads to know about his history, or how his team play but when you look at literal results, he seems like he's who you'd want if you have a decent League One team and want to get promoted.
If the right manager isn't out there, I'm not against giving Bowyer to the Summer to see what happens, I know Chris Powell worked having a bit of time with the squad before the next season but I think you've seen enough managers been able to come right in and do a job if they are good so I don't think we need to rush it... but I think the right manager is sitting right there without a club at the moment, and is only available really because of the ridiculous situation going on at Wigan1 -
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There you have it. Yes he has lost it.MattF said:6 -
Asking for a mate. Has Lee Bowyer done any of the coaching badges and after 2012 when he stopped playing what was he been doing up to Carl Robinson actually employing him as coach?0
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I see we’re back to the insane post match comments from Bowyer.charlton_hero said:3 -
If he had any sense he'd keep his mouth shut...bolloxbolder said:
There you have it. Yes he has lost it.MattF said:1 -
I think the kids say "big yikes"...0
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Can't see any reasoning to keep LB in the job, we're awful, cannot defend and are relying on two cb's who haven't been fit in months to save our season, it's embarrassing, blind loyalty to Bowyer can't keep him in this job when we're going backwards with no signs of positive change, sooner he moves on the better for me.5
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Whatever happens between now and the end of the season, I hope someone is planning hard for the rebuild in the summer. Could easily see up to 15 players leave.Even if we roll the dice and bring a new manager we are only going to be fighting to sneak 6th and try to beat stronger and better teams in the play offs.
I would give Bowyer to the rest of the season, unless we can get Paul Cook.1 -
Difficult when there's a press conference and you're the interviewee. And you're asked a direct question about your job.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
If he had any sense he'd keep his mouth shut...bolloxbolder said:
There you have it. Yes he has lost it.MattF said:8 -
DagenhamAddick said:Asking for a mate. Has Lee Bowyer done any of the coaching badges and after 2012 when he stopped playing what was he been doing up to Carl Robinson actually employing him as coach?
Fishing.
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He has an overachieving badge apparently!7
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