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Marcus Maddison - 20 months jail for GBH (p77)

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  • stoneroses19
    stoneroses19 Posts: 7,232
    edited December 2020
    Sage said:
    Sage said:
    If Schwartz comes in before Hull, and has been training with the squad already, we have to ensure we have a midfield who can create enough chances for the front players. Aneke is suspended so would throw Schwartz in. 

    Maddison was excellent when he came on yesterday and the goal will only give him an extra boost. There is no reason why Bowyer can’t be starting him more often.

    Morgan brings us something different, he’s also shown he can work hard and do the other side of the game now too. Start him.

    I would love to see a team of something like this:

    Amos
    Gunter New CB Pairing Maatsen
    Watson
    Morgan Williams
    Maddison
    Schwartz Washington

    Maynard-Brewer, Matthews, Pratley, F-Caskey, Gilbey, Smyth, Bogle
    I must add, I would have Shinnie and Aneke in the squad.

    Maybe even Shinnie starting because a lot of the time, teams can over run our midfield. I think we’re a better team with him in it.

    The CB pairing would obviously, ideally, be Inniss and Famewo.

    This is all without Doughty, who I think would’ve made a huge difference to us recently, adding in his contribution would likely have seen us top 2 by now.

    I know it’s always very unlikely, but if we had no injuries, well long term injuries, we’d have such a proper quality team for this league.
    The players you’ve mentioned here is reason enough for a lack of wins/performances in recent games. 

    Shinnie, Doughty, Inniss, Famewo and an Aneke who could play 90 minutes. 
  • Valley27000
    Valley27000 Posts: 3,417
    Let's see if this is a start 2 a good career at Charlton FC .
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,889
    Sage said:
    If Schwartz comes in before Hull, and has been training with the squad already, we have to ensure we have a midfield who can create enough chances for the front players. Aneke is suspended so would throw Schwartz in. 

    Maddison was excellent when he came on yesterday and the goal will only give him an extra boost. There is no reason why Bowyer can’t be starting him more often.

    Morgan brings us something different, he’s also shown he can work hard and do the other side of the game now too. Start him.

    I would love to see a team of something like this:

    Amos
    Gunter New CB Pairing Maatsen
    Watson
    Morgan Williams
    Maddison
    Schwartz Washington

    Maynard-Brewer, Matthews, Pratley, F-Caskey, Gilbey, Smyth, Bogle
    Shinnie?
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,663
    Sage said:
    Sage said:
    If Schwartz comes in before Hull, and has been training with the squad already, we have to ensure we have a midfield who can create enough chances for the front players. Aneke is suspended so would throw Schwartz in. 

    Maddison was excellent when he came on yesterday and the goal will only give him an extra boost. There is no reason why Bowyer can’t be starting him more often.

    Morgan brings us something different, he’s also shown he can work hard and do the other side of the game now too. Start him.

    I would love to see a team of something like this:

    Amos
    Gunter New CB Pairing Maatsen
    Watson
    Morgan Williams
    Maddison
    Schwartz Washington

    Maynard-Brewer, Matthews, Pratley, F-Caskey, Gilbey, Smyth, Bogle
    I must add, I would have Shinnie and Aneke in the squad.

    Maybe even Shinnie starting because a lot of the time, teams can over run our midfield. I think we’re a better team with him in it.

    The CB pairing would obviously, ideally, be Inniss and Famewo.

    This is all without Doughty, who I think would’ve made a huge difference to us recently, adding in his contribution would likely have seen us top 2 by now.

    I know it’s always very unlikely, but if we had no injuries, well long term injuries, we’d have such a proper quality team for this league.
    Isn't Aneke suspended for Hull?
  • Sage
    Sage Posts: 7,281
    Todds_right_hook said:
    Sage said:
    If Schwartz comes in before Hull, and has been training with the squad already, we have to ensure we have a midfield who can create enough chances for the front players. Aneke is suspended so would throw Schwartz in. 

    Maddison was excellent when he came on yesterday and the goal will only give him an extra boost. There is no reason why Bowyer can’t be starting him more often.

    Morgan brings us something different, he’s also shown he can work hard and do the other side of the game now too. Start him.

    I would love to see a team of something like this:

    Amos
    Gunter New CB Pairing Maatsen
    Watson
    Morgan Williams
    Maddison
    Schwartz Washington

    Maynard-Brewer, Matthews, Pratley, F-Caskey, Gilbey, Smyth, Bogle
    Shinnie?
    See my post above about Shinnie.
  • Sage
    Sage Posts: 7,281
    LenGlover said:
    Sage said:
    Sage said:
    If Schwartz comes in before Hull, and has been training with the squad already, we have to ensure we have a midfield who can create enough chances for the front players. Aneke is suspended so would throw Schwartz in. 

    Maddison was excellent when he came on yesterday and the goal will only give him an extra boost. There is no reason why Bowyer can’t be starting him more often.

    Morgan brings us something different, he’s also shown he can work hard and do the other side of the game now too. Start him.

    I would love to see a team of something like this:

    Amos
    Gunter New CB Pairing Maatsen
    Watson
    Morgan Williams
    Maddison
    Schwartz Washington

    Maynard-Brewer, Matthews, Pratley, F-Caskey, Gilbey, Smyth, Bogle
    I must add, I would have Shinnie and Aneke in the squad.

    Maybe even Shinnie starting because a lot of the time, teams can over run our midfield. I think we’re a better team with him in it.

    The CB pairing would obviously, ideally, be Inniss and Famewo.

    This is all without Doughty, who I think would’ve made a huge difference to us recently, adding in his contribution would likely have seen us top 2 by now.

    I know it’s always very unlikely, but if we had no injuries, well long term injuries, we’d have such a proper quality team for this league.
    Isn't Aneke suspended for Hull?
    Yes, which is what I explained in the original post.

    The point being I would have both Shinnie and Aneke in the squad should they be available. Just as I would Inniss, Famewo, and Doughty.
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,334
    Hasn’t he got popular very suddenly. Now in everyone’s first team! 
    No argument with that however.
    I would not have Williams in the team that started though.
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    Redrobo said:
    Hasn’t he got popular very suddenly. Now in everyone’s first team! 
    No argument with that however.
    I would not have Williams in the team that started though.
    I think people just expected him to hit the ground running what with his previous stats.  People neglected the fact that he had played very little football before signing for us.  Understandably it’s taken time for him to get up to speed. People also jumped on the poor diet and his love of PlayStation. Some players are a real enigma and he is one of them.

    I just hope Bowyer gives him a good run in the side - not sure that rotating him will do any good. He is clearly a confidence player, so even if he has a bad game or 2 it is well worth leaving him on the pitch as he is the one  player we have that can turn a game on his own. Would like to see him on all the attacking dead ball situations. 
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,962
    ricky_otto said:
    Redrobo said:
    Hasn’t he got popular very suddenly. Now in everyone’s first team! 
    No argument with that however.
    I would not have Williams in the team that started though.
    Would like to see him on all the attacking dead ball situations. 
    Yeah, surely he should be nailed on to take direct free kicks just outside the box?
    He's a direct goal threat from set pieces.

    Much more clinical, I feel, than JFC.


  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,599

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  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,883
    Thanks for the time you were here Marcus. 

    Hope your January move to a new club works out for you. 
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,708
    edited January 2021
  • meldrew66
    meldrew66 Posts: 2,563
    MrOneLung said:
    Thanks for the time you were here Marcus. 

    Hope your January move to a new club works out for you. 
    I can see where you are coming from. The second half of today’s game cried out for someone who would grab hold of the ball and do something special to win us a point. That was Maddison, not Williams. Lee must really have a problem with Marcus to not play him in a team of clueless, no hopers. Shame, cos I hoped he would come good for us but he hasn’t been given a chance tbf.
  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,502
    Every right to be pissed off, ridiculous that he didn't start and even more so that he didn't come on (before Pratley was sent off). 
  • wmcf123
    wmcf123 Posts: 5,832
    Correct me if I’m wrong, but Maddison has scored one goal so far, albeit a cracker.
  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,502
    wmcf123 said:
    Correct me if I’m wrong, but Maddison has scored one goal so far, albeit a cracker.
    2 total, though it's more about what he can create. 
  • FishCostaFortune
    FishCostaFortune Posts: 10,780
    wmcf123 said:
    Correct me if I’m wrong, but Maddison has scored one goal so far, albeit a cracker.
    2 goals and a direct assist actually.

    Nevermind actually creating plenty of other chances, and being the 'assist for the assist' player whilst generally being forward thinking when he is on the ball.

    All whilst barely getting any minutes. 
  • ISawLeaburnScore
    ISawLeaburnScore Posts: 9,779
    Struggling to get my head around what Bowyer expected from Maddison. He's not going to pull up trees in training, he's not going to bust a gut tracking back - he's a free spirit that wants to attack, create and score goals. 

    There is absolutely nothing surprising about the above based on his previous seasons. We knew what we were getting.

    Statistically one of the best attacking players at this level in the last decade. How can he not get into this team?

    And if he can't get into this team, why on God's Earth are we spending money on his wages?

    Thus far, a total waste. He has to start on Friday.

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  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    I think Bowyer saw the pitch and decided you couldn't play football on it. He then decided this wasn't Maddison's game. That being said, I said straight away Maddison wouldn't be Bowyer's choice because he likes players to work hard, track back etc and Maddison just isn't that type of player. 
  • MattF
    MattF Posts: 3,797
    guinnessaddick said:
    He has a point
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,389
    edited January 2021
    LB keeps talking about how he is getting a workrate out of Maddison that other managers haven't even dreamed of, and I'm pretty sure he's also said he's a good trainer so let's not presume it's Marcus's fault he didn't start. Especially not while the manager is making X amount of other baffling starting 11 decisions at the same time.
  • bigstemarra
    bigstemarra Posts: 5,098
    Mystifying that he didn't play today.

    One of the only creative players that we have.  No wonder we were crap.  Again.
  • MattF
    MattF Posts: 3,797
    Have to laugh, he's upset more Hull fans than Charlton fans with that pos
  • AndyG
    AndyG Posts: 5,919
    MattF said:
    Have to laugh, he's upset more Hull fans than Charlton fans with that pos
    I suspect he would have upset quite a few of them IF he had played today. But that's another story 🙄
  • Phil
    Phil Posts: 613
    I think we’re being a bit precious here. I read this as a player who’s had previous bad experiences at Hull probably similar to today. Clearly he won’t be pleased not play ( and I think we can all agree he should have ) but I don’t view that as criticising Bowyer.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,599
    Phil said:
    I think we’re being a bit precious here. I read this as a player who’s had previous bad experiences at Hull probably similar to today. Clearly he won’t be pleased not play ( and I think we can all agree he should have ) but I don’t view that as criticising Bowyer.
    I think its a bit tongue in cheek from Marcus
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,132
    MrOneLung said:
    Thanks for the time you were here Marcus. 

    Hope your January move to a new club works out for you. 

    You'd not be surprised if Bowyer said that to him on Monday.

    I see this as Maddison trying to undermine the authority of the boss.
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Phil said:
    I think we’re being a bit precious here. I read this as a player who’s had previous bad experiences at Hull probably similar to today. Clearly he won’t be pleased not play ( and I think we can all agree he should have ) but I don’t view that as criticising Bowyer.
    I think its a bit tongue in cheek from Marcus
    Agreed, think it's just a laugh, mostly at the expense of Hull. Think MM's infamous "attitude" leads us to jump to conclusions whatever he does. 

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