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Manchester City banned from the Champions League for 2 seasons.
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Also Milan delayed any discussions about a deal until the end of the season. When they finished 5th and missed the Champions League by 1 point they were surprisingly quick to come to agreement with UEFA over a 1 year ban.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
What people forget though is that the year before, UEFA hit Milan with a 2 year ban from European football (same as they've done with City). Milan appealed to CAS and CAS reinstated them.paulie8290 said:You say it will never stick @StigThundercock but again AC Milan struck a deal with UEFA and CAS to serve a one year European Ban for breaking FFPP rules(so it could happen with City)
I'm not so sure they would have been so keen had they made the top 4.
I remember at the time that reports in Italy were Milan were preparing for a long legal battle if UEFA stopped them getting CL football. As it was, the players performances prevented them getting CL football anyway and there was an eagerness to take the ban and miss the Europa League campaign instead.0 -
Well, it depends how much and where they say they got it...MuttleyCAFC said:We do know that Man City will have legal experts looking at every technicality. Money will not be an issue there.1 -
"I would argue that the money at the top end of the game has had a massive impact on the likes of Bury, because they can no longer be ran in a sustainable manner. Steve Dale is a feckless idiot, but so many lower league clubs are running at eye watering losses. The game sold out long ago and they are the collateral damage"
this is arrant nonsense
Steve Dale and countless others have been feckless idiots, mortgaging clubs to the hilt, having clubs borrow money with no realistic possibility of ever paying it back, presumably fueled by some dream of promotion, a quick buck (hello spivs!) or riding all the way to the promised land of the PL and European football. The fact that Man City, PSG, Chelsea in their time, have had much more ready cash to gamble on their short-term success is coincidental. Abramovic's and City Football Group's budgets compelled nobody to spend anything, anywhere, ever. Bury, Charlton and everybody else have to trade within their means, construct playing squads affordably. There is no given right to just stay in this division, nor any right to avoid relegation simply by spending £Xhundred million on players' wages.
The incidence of "smaller" clubs like: Blackpool under Ian Holloway getting to the prem; or Leicester City winning the title, is probably going to decline but it's still not impossible. In the same way that clubs like Sunderland fall straight through the Championship into League 1 after relegation from the prem. That wasn't cos of a lack of budget or cashflow, that was bad football decisions, bad luck, etc. They're still in business, apparently, and currently in the shake up for promotion.
Upper echelon clubs will need to continue to distribute funds down the pyramid, because without Charltons, Crewe Alexes, etc the flow of quality players will diminish but they are under no moral obligation to do so.
Football's regulators should be taking a lead. One example: tv coverage of the FA cup rounds should be allocated out to the lowest ranked clubs at each stage, not left for BBC, Sky, BT, whoever to cherry pick the fixtures. Better yet both domestic cup competitions could be seeded in the early rounds: the lowest ranked sides could be guaranteed home ties. Individually the sums for each match are not huge but £100,000 tv fee will sort out a tier 6 or 7's wages budget for half a season or more. Quietly, there is some sympathy for the seeding idea among prem managers especially around the league cup, which none of them give a toss about. But the PL, EFL & FA remain stony ground for such progressive thinking cos they only understand gross revenue and care not one jot for anything else.0 -
not sure how true this is, still personally think they will get banned
It’s sounding like #ManCity will be completely exonerated by CAS over the UEFA allegations, from what I’m hearing - nothing confirmed yet, but we may find out tomorrow or Monday
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Money talks Paulie, probably get away with paying a fine.
City were adamant they'd get away with it from the outset. Even yesterday Guardiola said "I'm so confident because I saw the arguments of the club that next season we will be there"0 -
There has actually been talk lately that the main reason UEFA made it a 2 year ban was because they expected negotiations throughout the appeal and believed both sides would settle on a 1 year ban.Therefore not letting City get away with it but also no need for drawn out court cases potentially lasting years.I’m sure when this story first broke I along with many others predicted a larger fine in place of any ban was the most likely outcome0
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Ian Cheeseman is well connected at the club, however I haven’t heard anything from anyone connected to the club that the decision will go City’s way.paulie8290 said:not sure how true this is, still personally think they will get banned
It’s sounding like #ManCity will be completely exonerated by CAS over the UEFA allegations, from what I’m hearing - nothing confirmed yet, but we may find out tomorrow or Monday
Even UEFA, which normally leaks like a sieve have stayed quiet! The truth is at the moment nobody, aside from those intimately involved knows anything and those people are not leaking / briefing to the media, which in itself is unusual.
For what its worth, I think there will be some sort of compromise, but who knows?0 -
Result of the appeal will be announced at 9.30am tomorrow0
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City win their appeal and the ban is overturned1
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Well I never!0
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MAN CITY BAN OVER TURNEDwhat a joke1
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Not surprised in the slightestChris_from_Sidcup said:City win their appeal and the ban is overturned1 -
Wonderful news0
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Will this allow Sheff Weds to get away with what they've done too？
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2 year ban and 30m euros fine reduced to..........just a 10m euros fine.0
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Disgraceful outcome. Can’t wait for non-league football to return so I can go back to not paying attention to this stuff.1
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Who'd have thunk it.0
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Money talks in all walks of life chaps. Someone's received a little brown envelope me thinks.0
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Fine is nothing to do with FFP by the way, CAS have completely exonerated City. 10m fine is only because they failed to assist UEFA with their enquiries.2
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Posted the above on page 1 of this thread.Fortune 82nd Minute said:
Exactly. They will get the best lawyers going and will threaten Uefa with God knows what if they don't get reinstated. And they have far deeper pockets than Uefa.ValleyGary said:I’d imagine City’s lawyers are pretty good!
This ban will never stick.
It was obvious this ban would never be enforced. City are too rich and too powerful for UEFA to take them on.
But the decision just makes me fall out of love with football a bit more.4 -
From their very opening statement after the initial ban verdict, City were adamant they'd done nothing wrong.Fortune 82nd Minute said:
Posted the above on page 1 of this thread.Fortune 82nd Minute said:
Exactly. They will get the best lawyers going and will threaten Uefa with God knows what if they don't get reinstated. And they have far deeper pockets than Uefa.ValleyGary said:I’d imagine City’s lawyers are pretty good!
This ban will never stick.
It was obvious this ban would never be enforced. City are too rich and too powerful for UEFA to take them on.
But the decision just makes me fall out of love with football a bit more.
Would they have been so vocal about it, appealed and been so confident that it would get overturned, had they actually been guilty?
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Can't say I'm surprised
Bad news for Leicester who seem to be sliding out of the top 4 spots0 -
Makes football's governing bodies looks like a bunch of incompetent dicks. Which is about right0
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FFP is shit, it’s only there to protect the old elite4
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One will guess that Sheffield Wednesday will get away with it as well. If you have the money to challenge the sports authorities you can get away with any thing. If poor you are screwed.1
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To be honest, I'm not surprised by this outcome at all. UEFA hate Man City, much as they hate any upstart teams that threaten the old boys status quo of top clubs, and they decided to throw the book at City without actually being able to pin any proper crime on them. City have probably done some dodgy stuff to get around FFP, but CAS have found that the judgments UEFA made were either unfounded or time-barred under their own regulations. That means that UEFA tried to pin something on City that couldn't be proven or that their own rules said they couldn't; regardless of whether or not City actually did it, that is UEFA going outside their rules to issue a massive penalty to a club for something they reckon they did but can't prove. That's a disgraceful misuse of their power. A ruling body can't just decide that they're going to issue a penalty outside of their own disciplinary regulations because they don't like a club, that's horrifying. UEFA are a horrible, corrupt little organisation that exists to try and enshrine their favourite European clubs at the top forever while hoovering up as much money as possible for depositing into the pockets of their higher-ups. The only positive thing you can say about UEFA is they are marginally less corrupt that FIFA. I'm glad they've not got their way and I'm glad that they've received a sit down notice for trying to apply a penalty for a rule breach that they can't actually prove.
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I’m with Rothko 100% on this. A club should spend what it wants. Otherwise it’s the same old teams every season qualifying for the champions league. The only other way forward is a salary cap in which every team can’t exceed the set agreed team wages.2
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Prisons are full of people who are adamant they have never done anything wrong and have fought their imprisonment all the way through the court system.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
From their very opening statement after the initial ban verdict, City were adamant they'd done nothing wrong.Fortune 82nd Minute said:
Posted the above on page 1 of this thread.Fortune 82nd Minute said:
Exactly. They will get the best lawyers going and will threaten Uefa with God knows what if they don't get reinstated. And they have far deeper pockets than Uefa.ValleyGary said:I’d imagine City’s lawyers are pretty good!
This ban will never stick.
It was obvious this ban would never be enforced. City are too rich and too powerful for UEFA to take them on.
But the decision just makes me fall out of love with football a bit more.
Would they have been so vocal about it, appealed and been so confident that it would get overturned, had they actually been guilty?0
