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Another Plague Strikes Africa
Lincsaddick
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Billions of locusts:
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They have been prolific for about a year, I think, but the peak is coming this year. I think Ethiopia, Kenya and Somalia are amongst several countries badly affected.1
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Fires in Australia, Covid19, locusts: the planet / nature is trying to decrease the population of its greatest parasite: humans.
We may not like to admit it but vaccines, lockdowns, greater life expectancy etc go against nature.
Nature will fight back stronger and stronger until the human population is down to a level that is acceptable to other species and the planet.13 -
And years later, in the "new" world, Matt Southall and Tahnoon Nimer will still be trying to make each other look bad on social media.jimmymelrose said:Fires in Australia, Covid19, locusts: the planet / nature is trying to decrease the population of its greatest parasite: humans.
We may not like to admit it but vaccines, lockdowns, greater life expectancy etc go against nature.
Nature will fight back stronger and stronger until the human population is down to a level that is acceptable to other species and the planet.6 -
Interesting and very Malthusian .. and probably a lot to it. I think not so much nature fighting back as man's abuse of the planet taking its very heavy toll. Vaccines? .. eventually deadly to human viruses and microbes will find a way to become immune, scientists will always be trying to catch up.jimmymelrose said:Fires in Australia, Covid19, locusts: the planet / nature is trying to decrease the population of its greatest parasite: humans.
We may not like to admit it but vaccines, lockdowns, greater life expectancy etc go against nature.
Nature will fight back stronger and stronger until the human population is down to a level that is acceptable to other species and the planet.
I was born in 1950 when the world's population was around 1.5-1.8 billion. Seventy years later the population is fast approaching 8 billion. Against nature or will Malthusian theories come to pass. Will resource depletion allow for such a large increase in the human population ?
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Nature isn’t a sentient being (unless you’re a pagan or something).jimmymelrose said:Fires in Australia, Covid19, locusts: the planet / nature is trying to decrease the population of its greatest parasite: humans.
We may not like to admit it but vaccines, lockdowns, greater life expectancy etc go against nature.
Nature will fight back stronger and stronger until the human population is down to a level that is acceptable to other species and the planet.1 -
We'll just ignore the fact that there's always been large scale fires and locust swarms regardless of the human population size.5
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Plenty of room in Kent.Lincsaddick said:
Interesting and very Malthusian .. and probably a lot to it. I think not so much nature fighting back as man's abuse of the planet taking its very heavy toll. Vaccines? .. eventually deadly to human viruses and microbes will find a way to become immune, scientists will always be trying to catch up.jimmymelrose said:Fires in Australia, Covid19, locusts: the planet / nature is trying to decrease the population of its greatest parasite: humans.
We may not like to admit it but vaccines, lockdowns, greater life expectancy etc go against nature.
Nature will fight back stronger and stronger until the human population is down to a level that is acceptable to other species and the planet.
I was born in 1950 when the world's population was around 1.5-1.8 billion. Seventy years later the population is fast approaching 8 billion. Against nature or will Malthusian theories come to pass. Will resource depletion allow for such a large increase in the human population ?11 -
The population of the world is predicted to rise to around 11 billion because people are living longer.Baldybonce said:
Plenty of room in Kent.Lincsaddick said:
Interesting and very Malthusian .. and probably a lot to it. I think not so much nature fighting back as man's abuse of the planet taking its very heavy toll. Vaccines? .. eventually deadly to human viruses and microbes will find a way to become immune, scientists will always be trying to catch up.jimmymelrose said:Fires in Australia, Covid19, locusts: the planet / nature is trying to decrease the population of its greatest parasite: humans.
We may not like to admit it but vaccines, lockdowns, greater life expectancy etc go against nature.
Nature will fight back stronger and stronger until the human population is down to a level that is acceptable to other species and the planet.
I was born in 1950 when the world's population was around 1.5-1.8 billion. Seventy years later the population is fast approaching 8 billion. Against nature or will Malthusian theories come to pass. Will resource depletion allow for such a large increase in the human population ?
But then it will (almost!) definitely start to decrease because the number of children being born in the world is already falling. Look it up!
Long term population growth is not an issue any more. The real problem is that an ever greater proportion of the population will be above working age and need support from an ever decreasing proportion of young working people.
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First thing I thought was, can you eat locusts?2
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I think the real problem will be with climate change more of the Earth will become inhabitable. The folks that live in those places are already trying to move elsewhere.stevexreeve said:
The population of the world is predicted to rise to around 11 billion because people are living longer.Baldybonce said:
Plenty of room in Kent.Lincsaddick said:
Interesting and very Malthusian .. and probably a lot to it. I think not so much nature fighting back as man's abuse of the planet taking its very heavy toll. Vaccines? .. eventually deadly to human viruses and microbes will find a way to become immune, scientists will always be trying to catch up.jimmymelrose said:Fires in Australia, Covid19, locusts: the planet / nature is trying to decrease the population of its greatest parasite: humans.
We may not like to admit it but vaccines, lockdowns, greater life expectancy etc go against nature.
Nature will fight back stronger and stronger until the human population is down to a level that is acceptable to other species and the planet.
I was born in 1950 when the world's population was around 1.5-1.8 billion. Seventy years later the population is fast approaching 8 billion. Against nature or will Malthusian theories come to pass. Will resource depletion allow for such a large increase in the human population ?
But then it will (almost!) definitely start to decrease because the number of children being born in the world is already falling. Look it up!
Long term population growth is not an issue any more. The real problem is that an ever greater proportion of the population will be above working age and need support from an ever decreasing proportion of young working people.
I don’t envy our kids/grand kids.3 -
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on one of his recent railway/travel progs in (I think) Vietnam or Cambodia, Michael Portillo on a visit to a huge open air market bought and ate some crunchy fried insects of a grasshopper /locust type .. this is an interesting little aside .. quotePopIcon said:First thing I thought was, can you eat locusts?
'According to the Bible, John the Baptist ate locusts. This seems unsettling to many people, to have a key member of the early ministry of Christ living in such a manner. Many in the early church believed that this reference to locusts was actually meant to refer to the seeds of the carob tree, because the word used was similar in the Greek.' .. unquote
I believe that insect and grub eating is quite common in the far and middle east
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Insects are an excellent source of nutrition0
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Most Bangkok red light districts have locust vendors. Crunchy on the outside. Runny on the inside. And the locusts are tasty, too.
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I've eaten honey fried locusts - just tasted like crunchy honey to be honest.0
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Bugs for sale in Cambodia, our Thai daughter-in-law advised is not to try them as they were not freshly cooked.
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Aaaah, Cambodian, maybe my favourite country in the world.0
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That looks like the aftermath of one of my barbeques.ExiledinManchester said:Bugs for sale in Cambodia, our Thai daughter-in-law advised is not to try them as they were not freshly cooked.
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In an overpopulated world, insects are the only source of protein that can correctly feed the planet without ruining the environment.
No lol: counter-argument please.0 -
Not entirely true, but they definitely will need to form a much larger part of everyone's diet in the next few decades - even in Western society where they currently don't appear on any menusjimmymelrose said:In an overpopulated world, insects are the only source of protein that can correctly feed the planet without ruining the environment.
No lol: counter-argument please.0 -
That's a fair comment. My use of the word 'only' was misplaced.Leroy Ambrose said:
Not entirely true, but they definitely will need to form a much larger part of everyone's diet in the next few decades - even in Western society where they currently don't appear on any menusjimmymelrose said:In an overpopulated world, insects are the only source of protein that can correctly feed the planet without ruining the environment.
No lol: counter-argument please.0 -
I think I'd prefer Soylent Green.3
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Actually I think that's what I had at Borough Market.Addickted said:
That looks like the aftermath of one of my barbeques.ExiledinManchester said:Bugs for sale in Cambodia, our Thai daughter-in-law advised is not to try them as they were not freshly cooked.0 -
The fires in Australia are no more what is considered normal than how Covid19 is considered alongside other virusesDRAddick said:We'll just ignore the fact that there's always been large scale fires and locust swarms regardless of the human population size.
https://www.unenvironment.org/news-and-stories/story/why-australias-2019-2020-bushfire-season-was-not-normal-three-graphs
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/dec/25/factcheck-why-australias-monster-2019-bushfires-are-unprecedented
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Locust swarms are exacerbated by climate change.DRAddick said:We'll just ignore the fact that there's always been large scale fires and locust swarms regardless of the human population size.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-04-29/east-africa-can-t-escape-plagues-of-locusts-floods-and-covid-19?sref=2o0rZsF1&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&cmpid==socialflow-twitter-view&utm_content=view&utm_source=twitter
So much denial of the effects of climate change on CL.0 -
IF there are going to be any long(ish) term 'benefits' from the pandemic, it will come in the form of less commuting (especially by car), less air travel, less world wide trade, more acceptance of and thinking about 'nature' and a greater awareness of living healthier lifestyles and consuming less. All these will have the effect of slowing down global warming. All big IFs, we will see (should 'we' live so long) if there has been any change in good old human naturejimmymelrose said:
Locust swarms are exacerbated by climate change.DRAddick said:We'll just ignore the fact that there's always been large scale fires and locust swarms regardless of the human population size.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-04-29/east-africa-can-t-escape-plagues-of-locusts-floods-and-covid-19?sref=2o0rZsF1&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&cmpid==socialflow-twitter-view&utm_content=view&utm_source=twitter
So much denial of the effects of climate change on CL.
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