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Now Derby County also under investigation for excess losses.

Henry Irving
Henry Irving Posts: 85,215
in Other Football and Sports
https://www.efl.com/news/2020/january/efl-statement-derby-county-charged-with-excess-losses
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  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,215
    Joining Birmingham and Wednesday.
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,620
    We might survive relegation afterall. 
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,215
    Every cloud has a silver lining
  • Macronate
    Macronate Posts: 12,890
    Relegate them all before Saturday so we don't have to worry about Preston.
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,878
    are all three likely to get points deducted or will the efl bottle it
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    edited January 2020
    Todds_right_hook said:
    are all three likely to get points deducted or will the efl bottle it
    Depends how many points it is. The EFL being what they are will probably wait until the end of the season and dock them just enough points for them to avoid relegation. 

    The sooner teams start getting made an example of the better. 
  • floydroadfaithfull
    floydroadfaithfull Posts: 4,778
    Todds_right_hook said:
    are all three likely to get points deducted or will the efl bottle it
    If so next season
  • cafc999
    cafc999 Posts: 4,967
    Wednesday are now desperate for money as they are selling 10 year season tickets that could give you more than 15 years worth if football!
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,620
    Says that an independent body will adjudicate & will listen to submissions from the EFL & the club concerned.

    So THEY will probably bottle it as Derby have the ex-England captain in their team. 
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  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,620
    Also, there should be a deadline set for when these things take effect  ie, if charged by 31st March then sanctions happen in that season. 
  • kentred2
    kentred2 Posts: 2,335
    Precisely why sustainability is the watchword of the new team owners and they can’t splash the cash? FFP? 
  • AllHailTheHen
    AllHailTheHen Posts: 3,063
    Derby have been walking this tightrope for a while. Just a shame the likes of Wolves and Bournemouth got away with it really
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    golfaddick said:
    Says that an independent body will adjudicate & will listen to submissions from the EFL & the club concerned.

    So THEY will probably bottle it as Derby have the ex-England captain in their team. 
    Have they? Sky never mention it at all.... 
  • ChiAddick
    ChiAddick Posts: 1,781
    edited January 2020
    Henry Irving said:
    Deducted nine points from Brum last year so EFL do act sometimes.

    Brum likely to get more for second offence.

    Derby first offence so nine points.

    Wednesday fiddled their books over the sale of Hillsborough. There were comments on twitter about 21 point deduction.

    Would much rather we stayed up under our own steam but I'll take any help we can get.

    And if they have broken the rules, which makes it harder for us to compete with them, then they deserve to be punished.
    Agree but staying up is so so pivotal to ESI's plans. Going down would be disastrous. Stay up at any cost. 
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,215
    kentred2 said:
    Precisely why sustainability is the watchword of the new team owners and they can’t splash the cash? FFP? 
    Partly but do we believe that Duchatelet was spending right up to the average £13m loss on the playing side?

    I don't.

    So under FFP I'm guessing more could be spent.

    There's a separate issue about how much should they spend of their own money.

    For me that is whatever they can afford under the model.

    We may have a rich owner in Nimer but I don't think he's splashing the cash.

    All the talk is about increasing income and sustainability.

    Nothing wrong in that but it doesn't make for sexy transfer windows.
  • kentred2
    kentred2 Posts: 2,335
    Henry Irving said:
    kentred2 said:
    Precisely why sustainability is the watchword of the new team owners and they can’t splash the cash? FFP? 
    Partly but do we believe that Duchatelet was spending right up to the average £13m loss on the playing side?

    I don't.

    So under FFP I'm guessing more could be spent.

    There's a separate issue about how much should they spend of their own money.

    For me that is whatever they can afford under the model.

    We may have a rich owner in Nimer but I don't think he's splashing the cash.

    All the talk is about increasing income and sustainability.

    Nothing wrong in that but it doesn't make for sexy transfer windows.
    True. 

    Hopefully they have a good FD advising them on the increased income, reduce costs, accounting tricks plus £13m loss transfer budget algorithm!
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,438
    Unfair on Rooney if Derby are punished - they should be given extra points.
  • soapy_jones
    soapy_jones Posts: 21,350
    cafc999 said:
    Wednesday are now desperate for money as they are selling 10 year season tickets that could give you more than 15 years worth if football!
    That's MASSIVE!

    Sorry i am a child.
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,598
    golfaddick said:
    We might survive relegation afterall. 
    Only another 17 to get into trouble and it’s premier league here we come.
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  • Elthamaddick
    Elthamaddick Posts: 15,808
    so Derby have broken FFP rules even before they signed Rooney, christ knows what their wage bill is like now !!
  • Rock Spectacle
    Rock Spectacle Posts: 1,440
    Subsidised. 
  • scruffle
    scruffle Posts: 2,282
    Elthamaddick said:
    so Derby have broken FFP rules even before they signed Rooney, christ knows what their wage bill is like now !!
    Rooney’s salary (80k a week) goes under coaching costsas he's a coach first, player second, apparently..... So isn't included in ffp, so I've read somewhere, think it's payed by red32 guys as well. 
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,330
    The punishment should be published. 10 points deducted per year of cheating. Mitigation to be dealt with by a reduction in fine.

    No club to be allowed to be promoted once charges have been made.

    Second offence doubles the punishment.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    We could all see that Derby were playing silly buggers with FFP at the start of the season. They didn't even try to hide it!
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,757
    Punishment should be no promotion or playoffs for the next five seasons.
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,954
    Callumcafc said:
    Punishment should be no promotion or playoffs for the next five seasons.
    20 point deduction this season.

    There will be a fair few clubs in the bottom half of the table happy with that.
    Not Derby, of course.

    :smile:


  • Fanny Fanackapan
    Fanny Fanackapan Posts: 18,735
    edited January 2020
    Henry Irving said:
    Deducted nine points from Brum last year so EFL do act sometimes.

    Brum likely to get more for second offence.

    Derby first offence so nine points.

    Wednesday fiddled their books over the sale of Hillsborough. There were comments on twitter about 21 point deduction.

    Would much rather we stayed up under our own steam but I'll take any help we can get.

    And if they have broken the rules, which makes it harder for us to compete with them, then they deserve to be punished.
    Too right, Henners.

    Stop juggling all those balls, dickheads and SHOW US YOU HAVE SOME !!!

    ( The EFL, not Henry )
  • billysboots
    billysboots Posts: 1,596
    scruffle said:
    Elthamaddick said:
    so Derby have broken FFP rules even before they signed Rooney, christ knows what their wage bill is like now !!
    Rooney’s salary (80k a week) goes under coaching costsas he's a coach first, player second, apparently..... So isn't included in ffp, so I've read somewhere, think it's payed by red32 guys as well. 
    Apparently the coach player salary split only is allowed in leagues 1 and 2 . Red 32 have increased sponsorship to cover his salary 
  • scruffle
    scruffle Posts: 2,282
    @billysboots OK wasn't sure whether was legit or not. Still someone else is paying his obscene salary for championship level. They must be sponsoring Derby more just to cover rooneys wages than any club gets in sponsorship a season from a main sponsor, crazy amount really almost 5 mill a yr

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