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Charlton family lose father, son and daughter in swimming pool incident in Spain

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  • Raith_C_Chattonell
    Raith_C_Chattonell Posts: 5,693
    R.I.P. Truly tragic.

    I just cannot believe three people drowned simultaneously in a family swimming pool, there must be an external reason. 

    The dad was a strapping fellow and the pool is only six and a half feet at deepest.  Hope there isn't a cover up going on here.
  • harveys_gardener
    harveys_gardener Posts: 7,038
    edited December 2019
    Sadly it seems Iberian police don't do cover-ups, they just do incompetent investigations when foreigners are involved. They have absolved the hotel filtration system before any post-mortem results.
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,474
    Raith_C_Chattonell said:
    R.I.P. Truly tragic.

    I just cannot believe three people drowned simultaneously in a family swimming pool, there must be an external reason. 

    The dad was a strapping fellow and the pool is only six and a half feet at deepest.  Hope there isn't a cover up going on here.
    It does seem unbelievable - I really hope the family get answers.
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    Raith_C_Chattonell said:
    R.I.P. Truly tragic.

    I just cannot believe three people drowned simultaneously in a family swimming pool, there must be an external reason. 

    The dad was a strapping fellow and the pool is only six and a half feet at deepest.  Hope there isn't a cover up going on here.
    The girl was possibly in difficulty at the bottom of the pool and her dad and brother spent too long under trying to save her?

    I'm sure there were issues years ago with outlet and inlet grates in some pools and there were measures brought in to make them safe, after a similar tragedy. Maybe this was in the UK only?
  • Elthamaddick
    Elthamaddick Posts: 15,828
    tragic story RIP, must be more to this though and I’m sure more info will emerge 
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    Sure I heard the pool has already been re-opened to guests, and this was a couple of days ago
  • EveshamAddick
    EveshamAddick Posts: 7,024
    As reported, the police say there’s nothing wrong with the pool. What about getting some pool engineers in?
  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,495
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:
    Raith_C_Chattonell said:
    R.I.P. Truly tragic.

    I just cannot believe three people drowned simultaneously in a family swimming pool, there must be an external reason. 

    The dad was a strapping fellow and the pool is only six and a half feet at deepest.  Hope there isn't a cover up going on here.
    The girl was possibly in difficulty at the bottom of the pool and her dad and brother spent too long under trying to save her?

    I'm sure there were issues years ago with outlet and inlet grates in some pools and there were measures brought in to make them safe, after a similar tragedy. Maybe this was in the UK only?
    I suppose it’s possible that the father and son grabbed each other in blind panic and inadvertently pulled each other under........that does happen.
    The strange thing is that the mother is saying they ‘could’ all swim and that she and her elder daughter were present at poolside as they all drowned......bizarre is the only word that comes to mind. Confusion reigns.
    Surely there were life rings available, I simply cannot believe there weren’t any.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,645
    It’s quite possible of course but were they the only holidaymakers using the pool or the sun loungers at the time ? 
  • Baldybonce
    Baldybonce Posts: 9,660
    edited December 2019
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:
    Raith_C_Chattonell said:
    R.I.P. Truly tragic.

    I just cannot believe three people drowned simultaneously in a family swimming pool, there must be an external reason. 

    The dad was a strapping fellow and the pool is only six and a half feet at deepest.  Hope there isn't a cover up going on here.
    The girl was possibly in difficulty at the bottom of the pool and her dad and brother spent too long under trying to save her?

    I'm sure there were issues years ago with outlet and inlet grates in some pools and there were measures brought in to make them safe, after a similar tragedy. Maybe this was in the UK only?
    I managed a pool and leisure centre for 3 years so know a bit about how they work. What POSSIBLY could have happened is the pool had been overfilled so some water was being drained out or the chemical composition?? of the water was too high and some was being drained off and refilled. If these were the case there is nothing wrong with the pool but these things should be done when the pool is closed.

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  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,495
    Baldybonce said:
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:
    Raith_C_Chattonell said:
    R.I.P. Truly tragic.

    I just cannot believe three people drowned simultaneously in a family swimming pool, there must be an external reason. 

    The dad was a strapping fellow and the pool is only six and a half feet at deepest.  Hope there isn't a cover up going on here.
    The girl was possibly in difficulty at the bottom of the pool and her dad and brother spent too long under trying to save her?

    I'm sure there were issues years ago with outlet and inlet grates in some pools and there were measures brought in to make them safe, after a similar tragedy. Maybe this was in the UK only?
    I managed a pool and leisure centre for 3 years so know a bit about how they work. What POSSIBLY could have happened is the pool had been overfilled so some water was being drained out or the chemical composition?? of the water was too high and some was being drained off and refilled. If these were the case there is nothing wrong with the pool but these things should be done when the pool is closed.
    Let’s hope the authorities will replicate that scenario and see what effect it has?
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,687
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Baldybonce said:
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:
    Raith_C_Chattonell said:
    R.I.P. Truly tragic.

    I just cannot believe three people drowned simultaneously in a family swimming pool, there must be an external reason. 

    The dad was a strapping fellow and the pool is only six and a half feet at deepest.  Hope there isn't a cover up going on here.
    The girl was possibly in difficulty at the bottom of the pool and her dad and brother spent too long under trying to save her?

    I'm sure there were issues years ago with outlet and inlet grates in some pools and there were measures brought in to make them safe, after a similar tragedy. Maybe this was in the UK only?
    I managed a pool and leisure centre for 3 years so know a bit about how they work. What POSSIBLY could have happened is the pool had been overfilled so some water was being drained out or the chemical composition?? of the water was too high and some was being drained off and refilled. If these were the case there is nothing wrong with the pool but these things should be done when the pool is closed.
    Let’s hope the authorities will replicate that scenario and see what effect it has?
    I dont think the authorities care. Police have said it was an accident so case closed.
  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,052
    golfaddick said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Baldybonce said:
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:
    Raith_C_Chattonell said:
    R.I.P. Truly tragic.

    I just cannot believe three people drowned simultaneously in a family swimming pool, there must be an external reason. 

    The dad was a strapping fellow and the pool is only six and a half feet at deepest.  Hope there isn't a cover up going on here.
    The girl was possibly in difficulty at the bottom of the pool and her dad and brother spent too long under trying to save her?

    I'm sure there were issues years ago with outlet and inlet grates in some pools and there were measures brought in to make them safe, after a similar tragedy. Maybe this was in the UK only?
    I managed a pool and leisure centre for 3 years so know a bit about how they work. What POSSIBLY could have happened is the pool had been overfilled so some water was being drained out or the chemical composition?? of the water was too high and some was being drained off and refilled. If these were the case there is nothing wrong with the pool but these things should be done when the pool is closed.
    Let’s hope the authorities will replicate that scenario and see what effect it has?
    I dont think the authorities care. Police have said it was an accident so case closed.
    It still seems very fishy to me. I can't get my head around 3 people, who could all swim, drowning in a little over six feet of water and nobody having anything to answer for. This is not the open sea, there are no waves and no currents other than man-made ones. I'm not a big conspiracy theorist and I don't like being one to point the finger at people, but I can't help but think that the local  police are more concerned with the reputation of the Spanish tourism industry than in actually understanding how such a tragedy could occur. 
  • EveshamAddick
    EveshamAddick Posts: 7,024
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  • harveys_gardener
    harveys_gardener Posts: 7,038
    Police stating that none of the three could swim is a big red flag for me. Also very few pools in Spain, or anywhere are more than five feet deep.
  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,288
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    It’s quite possible of course but were they the only holidaymakers using the pool or the sun loungers at the time ? 
    Quite possible as there are lots of pools at that hotel.
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,687
    harveys_gardener said:
    Police stating that none of the three could swim is a big red flag for me. Also very few pools in Spain, or anywhere are more than five feet deep.
    Not something you can prove or disprove after death though is it. It's a bit like the men who died down at Camber Sanders a couple of years ago. There were doubts then if they could swim or not - relatives said that they could & as they were grieving that was that. Same here I expect. I agree with other posters that it is mighty strange that a 16 yo & an adult can both drown in 6ft of still water. No waves or surf. Just a usual pool you see in hundreds of resorts on Spain. Unless there was something going on with the pool drainage/pumping system. 
  • Baldybonce
    Baldybonce Posts: 9,660
    golfaddick said:
    harveys_gardener said:
    Police stating that none of the three could swim is a big red flag for me. Also very few pools in Spain, or anywhere are more than five feet deep.
    Not something you can prove or disprove after death though is it. It's a bit like the men who died down at Camber Sanders a couple of years ago. There were doubts then if they could swim or not - relatives said that they could & as they were grieving that was that. Same here I expect. I agree with other posters that it is mighty strange that a 16 yo & an adult can both drown in 6ft of still water. No waves or surf. Just a usual pool you see in hundreds of resorts on Spain. Unless there was something going on with the pool drainage/pumping system. 
    6ft of water is easy to drown in if you're only 5'11" or less.
    I wonder if chlorine gas is involved.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,645
    I would think that the post mortem results will establish the facts regarding chemical concentrations if that is indeed a factor. My guess is that this will remain a mystery.
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,128
    edited December 2019
    I cannot begin to imagine how the remaining family members feel.
    An absolute tragedy.

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  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,619
    harveys_gardener said:
    Police stating that none of the three could swim is a big red flag for me. Also very few pools in Spain, or anywhere are more than five feet deep.
    The elder daughter did say none of them could swim, the mother later said different. Don’t know why they would say differently.
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,128
    LargeAddick said:
    harveys_gardener said:
    Police stating that none of the three could swim is a big red flag for me. Also very few pools in Spain, or anywhere are more than five feet deep.
    The elder daughter did say none of them could swim, the mother later said different. Don’t know why they would say differently.
    This is very strange.
  • iainment
    iainment Posts: 8,040
    It’s a terrible tragedy and the family are casting about for a reason it happened.
    Understandable and very human. Even if a misguided desperate grasp for understanding of something we’ll never know.
  • Cardinal Sin
    Cardinal Sin Posts: 5,233
    Baldybonce said:
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:
    Raith_C_Chattonell said:
    R.I.P. Truly tragic.

    I just cannot believe three people drowned simultaneously in a family swimming pool, there must be an external reason. 

    The dad was a strapping fellow and the pool is only six and a half feet at deepest.  Hope there isn't a cover up going on here.
    The girl was possibly in difficulty at the bottom of the pool and her dad and brother spent too long under trying to save her?

    I'm sure there were issues years ago with outlet and inlet grates in some pools and there were measures brought in to make them safe, after a similar tragedy. Maybe this was in the UK only?
    I managed a pool and leisure centre for 3 years so know a bit about how they work. What POSSIBLY could have happened is the pool had been overfilled so some water was being drained out or the chemical composition?? of the water was too high and some was being drained off and refilled. If these were the case there is nothing wrong with the pool but these things should be done when the pool is closed.
    You also have to assume that they were the only ones by the pool. If anyone who could swim competently had been there they must have been able to make a difference.
  • Brendan_O_Connell
    Brendan_O_Connell Posts: 8,938
    RIP
  • Solidgone
    Solidgone Posts: 10,217
    Baldybonce said:
    golfaddick said:
    harveys_gardener said:
    Police stating that none of the three could swim is a big red flag for me. Also very few pools in Spain, or anywhere are more than five feet deep.
    Not something you can prove or disprove after death though is it. It's a bit like the men who died down at Camber Sanders a couple of years ago. There were doubts then if they could swim or not - relatives said that they could & as they were grieving that was that. Same here I expect. I agree with other posters that it is mighty strange that a 16 yo & an adult can both drown in 6ft of still water. No waves or surf. Just a usual pool you see in hundreds of resorts on Spain. Unless there was something going on with the pool drainage/pumping system. 
    6ft of water is easy to drown in if you're only 5'11" or less.
    I wonder if chlorine gas is involved.
    Panic is normally the cause for drowning even for swimmers. 
    An absolute tragedy and my heart goes out to the family. 
  • harveys_gardener
    harveys_gardener Posts: 7,038
    edited December 2019
    LargeAddick said:
    harveys_gardener said:
    Police stating that none of the three could swim is a big red flag for me. Also very few pools in Spain, or anywhere are more than five feet deep.
    The elder daughter did say none of them could swim, the mother later said different. Don’t know why they would say differently.
    The police said the oldest daughter told them none could swim. The family have denied this.
  • E_cafc
    E_cafc Posts: 2,617
    The police are now saying today that the case can be closed. 
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,128
    harveys_gardener said:
    LargeAddick said:
    harveys_gardener said:
    Police stating that none of the three could swim is a big red flag for me. Also very few pools in Spain, or anywhere are more than five feet deep.
    The elder daughter did say none of them could swim, the mother later said different. Don’t know why they would say differently.
    The police said the oldest daughter told them none could swim. The family have denied this.
    If true, something does not add up.
  • SoleBayAddick
    SoleBayAddick Posts: 155
    Solidgone said:
    Baldybonce said:
    golfaddick said:
    harveys_gardener said:
    Police stating that none of the three could swim is a big red flag for me. Also very few pools in Spain, or anywhere are more than five feet deep.
    Not something you can prove or disprove after death though is it. It's a bit like the men who died down at Camber Sanders a couple of years ago. There were doubts then if they could swim or not - relatives said that they could & as they were grieving that was that. Same here I expect. I agree with other posters that it is mighty strange that a 16 yo & an adult can both drown in 6ft of still water. No waves or surf. Just a usual pool you see in hundreds of resorts on Spain. Unless there was something going on with the pool drainage/pumping system. 
    6ft of water is easy to drown in if you're only 5'11" or less.
    I wonder if chlorine gas is involved.
    Panic is normally the cause for drowning even for swimmers. 
    An absolute tragedy and my heart goes out to the family. 

    When I was in my early teens, I was swimming in the large pool at Beckenham Baths, when I notice a young lad near me in trouble.  I swam over to help him, when he grabed me in what can only be discribed as a death hug, and I could not move.  I thought I was a goner, then luckerly, my feet touched the bottom of the pool, so, thankfully, I managed carry him to the edge and sit him there. There were a lot of people around at the time, but nobody seemed to have noticed what was going on.  It just shows a fatal accident could have happened so quickly, and no one being aware.

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