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2019 General Election - Match Thread
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We will see in 5 years time how Brexit has helped them....killerandflash said:
If the Conservatives have got a majority of 80, they must have picked up votes from all over the country, and from people of all income levels.North Lower Neil said:Crazy stuff.
People voting for the Tories to f*** 95% of the country over for the benefit of the other 5% for 5 more years.
The Brexit voting seats they are likely to be winning are in poor areas.
It's so, so sad6 -
Seems the public cares more about kicking out foreigners than actually trying to help the poorest in society.
Great the EU bogeyman is gone, now when your life is still rubbish in two years time, what will the next excuse be?16 -
As much as I want to see it, I can't see the exit poll being wrong.Leeds_Addick said:
I wish you were right butPaddyP17 said:Apparently, 22,000 voters were polled at 150-odd stations? If I read the figures right.
If so, that's a huge margin for error, even if you assume the (I guess) 350 safe seats weren't polled and were assumed.
I don't doubt Ipsos Mori are kosher, but this sounds like a potential overestimation.
One hopes.
https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/12052475301136506880 -
Oh dear CL in meltdown and Roland not even remotely in the frame for this one...1
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Even if it's a little wrong it's never going to be THAT wrong. A sad night for the UK and all that feel compassion.Addickted4life said:
As much as I want to see it, I can't see the exit poll being wrong.Leeds_Addick said:
I wish you were right butPaddyP17 said:Apparently, 22,000 voters were polled at 150-odd stations? If I read the figures right.
If so, that's a huge margin for error, even if you assume the (I guess) 350 safe seats weren't polled and were assumed.
I don't doubt Ipsos Mori are kosher, but this sounds like a potential overestimation.
One hopes.
https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/12052475301136506883 -
Jeeze and my wife was looking forward to getting back her £40K.5
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Sadly, I think this needed to happen if the exit polls are about right.
We have the awful tories, followed by the absolute dregs. As people have said, hopefully this will mean the Labour party can progress and provide a meaningful opposition, it really shouldn't be difficult right now even if Brexit muddy the waters.
If those at the helm of Labour don't smell the coffee now then we really are in trouble politically.
Sad times, but hopefully the wake up call that's needed.2 -
Agreed but I still despair. Interviews with people and responses of "I don't like Corbyn". Who cares??? I don't like all the people I work with but I know the ones who can do a good job.carly burn said:
It's all about personalities and gimmick slogans these days. Brexit showed us that.colthe3rd said:
It really is baffling, you can show these people the devastation to their local areas that Brexit will bring but it will be ignored for whatever reason. We live in an age where data and evidence is abundant but ever more so people are choosing not to believe it. What's that thing about stupidity and doing the same thing over and over?Callumcafc said:Tories confident of gaining Sunderland Central... heads in hands here.
Labour never heeded the lesson.1 -
BTW, how do you stop the SNP now from getting another referendum? Scotland is so far away from England and Wales now, they've overwhelmingly voted remain twice now if this is an EU related election. Their mandate is stronger then ever3
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I hope that Boris can now step away from the ERG a bit a try and forge a closer relationship with the EU.
He doesn’t need to worry about Mogg and that lot now with that majority.3 -
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I absolutely agree. I have voted conservative, almost reluctantly. If we finally have a credible electable, sensible, realistic opposition, then it gives me another option, it gives the government a kick up the arse to improve.Rob7Lee said:Sadly, I think this needed to happen if the exit polls are about right.
We have the awful tories, followed by the absolute dregs. As people have said, hopefully this will mean the Labour party can progress and provide a meaningful opposition, it really shouldn't be difficult right now even if Brexit muddy the waters.
If those at the helm of Labour don't smell the coffee now then we really are in trouble politically.
Sad times, but hopefully the wake up call that's needed.2 -
The UN? The UK?SELR_addicks said:Seems the public cares more about kicking out foreigners than actually trying to help the poorest in society.
Great the EU bogeyman is gone, now when your life is still rubbish in two years time, what will the next excuse be?0 -
Well, that's see what happens in the next five years. Different days and all that. Looking forward to an opposition that's isn't an absolute shitshow, if that's possible with their new membership. Hope, and I really mean this, people don't get to regret this. SNP on 55 seats, surely the end of the union0
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Because Boris said he won’t grant another referendum and, with a majority of this size, he won’t have to do anything he doesn’t want to.Rothko said:BTW, how do you stop the SNP now from getting another referendum? Scotland is so far away from England and Wales now, they've overwhelmingly voted remain twice now if this is an EU related election. Their mandate is stronger then ever
Queue the next constitutional crisis.0 -
My (half) brother got his citizenship last year. Thank fuck for that. Otherwise I would have been genuinely scared he would have had to go back to China - where he hasn't lived since he was 14 (he's now 32).
Will keep you all posted on the inevitable Johnny Foreigner comments I'll be getting in the next little while1 -
There will be uproar if Scotland if we drag them out of the EU against their will.
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But that's exactly my point.colthe3rd said:
Agreed but I still despair. Interviews with people and responses of "I don't like Corbyn". Who cares??? I don't like all the people I work with but I know the ones who can do a good job.carly burn said:
It's all about personalities and gimmick slogans these days. Brexit showed us that.colthe3rd said:
It really is baffling, you can show these people the devastation to their local areas that Brexit will bring but it will be ignored for whatever reason. We live in an age where data and evidence is abundant but ever more so people are choosing not to believe it. What's that thing about stupidity and doing the same thing over and over?Callumcafc said:Tories confident of gaining Sunderland Central... heads in hands here.
Labour never heeded the lesson.
Many people do care.
A slick campaign with a slick leader and this would've been a cake walk for Labour.
Really just shows how out of touch they are.1 -
It'll be benefit claimants again, or non-eu immigration.Scoham said:
The UN? The UK?SELR_addicks said:Seems the public cares more about kicking out foreigners than actually trying to help the poorest in society.
Great the EU bogeyman is gone, now when your life is still rubbish in two years time, what will the next excuse be?
Divide and rule, the Conservative motto.0 -
Tories confident of winning Hartlepool also.
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My fear is Corbyn and co will just try to carry on and those who have the say will allow him. The excuses will be that it was Breixt, without that they'd have romped home......Greenie Junior said:
I absolutely agree. I have voted conservative, almost reluctantly. If we finally have a credible electable, sensible, realistic opposition, then it gives me another option, it gives the government a kick up the arse to improve.Rob7Lee said:Sadly, I think this needed to happen if the exit polls are about right.
We have the awful tories, followed by the absolute dregs. As people have said, hopefully this will mean the Labour party can progress and provide a meaningful opposition, it really shouldn't be difficult right now even if Brexit muddy the waters.
If those at the helm of Labour don't smell the coffee now then we really are in trouble politically.
Sad times, but hopefully the wake up call that's needed.1 -
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They don't like Corbyn and think he would do an appalling jobcolthe3rd said:
Agreed but I still despair. Interviews with people and responses of "I don't like Corbyn". Who cares??? I don't like all the people I work with but I know the ones who can do a good job.carly burn said:
It's all about personalities and gimmick slogans these days. Brexit showed us that.colthe3rd said:
It really is baffling, you can show these people the devastation to their local areas that Brexit will bring but it will be ignored for whatever reason. We live in an age where data and evidence is abundant but ever more so people are choosing not to believe it. What's that thing about stupidity and doing the same thing over and over?Callumcafc said:Tories confident of gaining Sunderland Central... heads in hands here.
Labour never heeded the lesson.1 -
It’s not funny as in funny, but you’ve got to admit it’s bizarre. I reckon about 90-95% of the noise on Facebook, Twitter and forums such as this is ‘anti Tory’, manipulating the backdrop with exaggerated guilting and shaming imo.Callumcafc said:golfaddick said:Wow. Exit poll suggest a massive Tory majority of 86.
Ha ha ha ha
Glad you find it funny. You're alright Jack.
Yet every time it comes to people casting a vote, it turns out most people actually vote Tory. It’s bizarre.
Labour is a disaster. There are two labours, the London one with a mix of largely comfortable champagne socialists / remainers and ethnic minorities, and then there is Labour outside of London. Traditional Labour, and that lot just don’t recognise or relate with Corbyn. This was on the wall 12 months ago. How an opposition who can’t make any inroads at all when the ruling party is in such disarray and doesn’t make any change only have themselves to blame.
The country desperately needs a strong opposition yet at best that looks years off.
Only real sad sad thing imo is the Scottish backing for the SNP, which given their poor actual performance is giving a big Scottish backing for independence (sadly for us Supporters of the union).14 -
The Tories will then get a shoeing in the Scottish Parliament elections next year, you then can't really say no if the SNP win a Scottish election with a majority (and they'll get close to 50% of the vote as well)se9addick said:
Because Boris said he won’t grant another referendum and, with a majority of this size, he won’t have to do anything he doesn’t want to.Rothko said:BTW, how do you stop the SNP now from getting another referendum? Scotland is so far away from England and Wales now, they've overwhelmingly voted remain twice now if this is an EU related election. Their mandate is stronger then ever
Queue the next constitutional crisis.1 -
anyway, houses around Edinburgh look nice....0
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Fair point about Corbyn but is Johnson likeable? Maybe he is and I'm just that out of touch with the vast majority of the country but just on a personality and looks point of view who could honestly look at Boris and think, yeah he's the man for me?carly burn said:
But that's exactly my point.colthe3rd said:
Agreed but I still despair. Interviews with people and responses of "I don't like Corbyn". Who cares??? I don't like all the people I work with but I know the ones who can do a good job.carly burn said:
It's all about personalities and gimmick slogans these days. Brexit showed us that.colthe3rd said:
It really is baffling, you can show these people the devastation to their local areas that Brexit will bring but it will be ignored for whatever reason. We live in an age where data and evidence is abundant but ever more so people are choosing not to believe it. What's that thing about stupidity and doing the same thing over and over?Callumcafc said:Tories confident of gaining Sunderland Central... heads in hands here.
Labour never heeded the lesson.
Many people do care.
A slick campaign with a slick leader and this would've been a cake walk for Labour.
Really just shows how out of touch they are.0 -
Can hardly blame the Scots and the SNP at this point. Have been treated like rubbish the last decade or so.AFKABartram said:
It’s not funny as in funny, but you’ve got to admit it’s bizarre. I reckon about 90-95% of the noise on Facebook, Twitter and forums such as this is ‘anti Tory’, manipulating the backdrop with exaggerated guilting and shaming imo.Callumcafc said:golfaddick said:Wow. Exit poll suggest a massive Tory majority of 86.
Ha ha ha ha
Glad you find it funny. You're alright Jack.
Yet every time it comes to people casting a vote, it turns out most people actually vote Tory. It’s bizarre.
Labour is a disaster. There are two labours, the London one with a mix of largely comfortable champagne socialists / remainers and ethnic minorities, and then there is Labour outside of London. Traditional Labour, and that lot just don’t recognise or relate with Corbyn. This was on the wall 12 months ago. How an opposition who can’t make any inroads at all when the ruling party is in such disarray and doesn’t make any change only have themselves to blame.
The country desperately needs a strong opposition yet at best that looks years off.
Only real sad sad thing imo is the Scottish backing for the SNP, which given their poor actual performance is giving a big Scottish backing for independence (sadly for us Supporters of the union).
Will be interesting to see Sturgeon V Johnson off the back of this.2 -
I think that's the issue, on here it may be mostly red, but go on other forums, particularly that are more national and it's a different story. Same as Facebook & Twitter, what percentage of people are actually on those platforms?AFKABartram said:
It’s not funny as in funny, but you’ve got to admit it’s bizarre. I reckon about 90-95% of the noise on Facebook, Twitter and forums such as this is ‘anti Tory’, manipulating the backdrop with exaggerated guilting and shaming imo.Callumcafc said:golfaddick said:Wow. Exit poll suggest a massive Tory majority of 86.
Ha ha ha ha
Glad you find it funny. You're alright Jack.
Yet every time it comes to people casting a vote, it turns out most people actually vote Tory. It’s bizarre.0 -
Labour have potentially lost Eltham!0
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Not at all. Johnson is a twat. But it's about raising yourself well above his mark. And by leaving Corbyn in charge they failed miserably.colthe3rd said:
Fair point about Corbyn but is Johnson likeable? Maybe he is and I'm just that out of touch with the vast majority of the country but just on a personality and looks point of view who could honestly look at Boris and think, yeah he's the man for me?carly burn said:
But that's exactly my point.colthe3rd said:
Agreed but I still despair. Interviews with people and responses of "I don't like Corbyn". Who cares??? I don't like all the people I work with but I know the ones who can do a good job.carly burn said:
It's all about personalities and gimmick slogans these days. Brexit showed us that.colthe3rd said:
It really is baffling, you can show these people the devastation to their local areas that Brexit will bring but it will be ignored for whatever reason. We live in an age where data and evidence is abundant but ever more so people are choosing not to believe it. What's that thing about stupidity and doing the same thing over and over?Callumcafc said:Tories confident of gaining Sunderland Central... heads in hands here.
Labour never heeded the lesson.
Many people do care.
A slick campaign with a slick leader and this would've been a cake walk for Labour.
Really just shows how out of touch they are.1 -
To some people lying to is more important. 17.4 Million people voted in 2016 to leave the EU....and then were denied their right. That makes people angry & not respected. Especially if they are told they didnt know what they were voting for.... .as if the people telling them that did & are superior.colthe3rd said:
It really is baffling, you can show these people the devastation to their local areas that Brexit will bring but it will be ignored for whatever reason. We live in an age where data and evidence is abundant but ever more so people are choosing not to believe it. What's that thing about stupidity and doing the same thing over and over?Callumcafc said:Tories confident of gaining Sunderland Central... heads in hands here.
Also lots of people in Leave areas have seen "immigrants" settle in their towns, taking their jobs & reducing wages. This influx of people also stretches infrastructure & local services. Not all the travails of the NHS is down to austerity.8
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