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Lyle Taylor penalties

East_Stand_Loopy
East_Stand_Loopy Posts: 2,205
in General Charlton
Quite a few have commented on LT's penalty style, and some have said that they hate it.

Look at some of them again. So much of that slow walk up is psyching out the keeper. On that long slow walk, he never takes his eyes off of one side of the goal. And I mean, his head is turned to that side, not just his eyes. The goalkeeper can probably not help but react.

And when Lyle hits the penalty, he always hits it to the opposite side...
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  • Rudders22
    Rudders22 Posts: 3,912
    After watching hs latest penalty on tv last night. All that was going through my mind was the Jaws tune. 
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    Must admit, he fills me with total confidence - and his record proves that - however, i am waiting for the time when he spends so much time looking at the goal and goalkeeper that he scuffs his shot and it dribbles to the goalie - im sure it wont happen.
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    East_Stand_Loopy said:
    Quite a few have commented on LT's penalty style, and some have said that they hate it.

    Look at some of them again. So much of that slow walk up is psyching out the keeper. On that long slow walk, he never takes his eyes off of one side of the goal. And I mean, his head is turned to that side, not just his eyes. The goalkeeper can probably not help but react.

    And when Lyle hits the penalty, he always hits it to the opposite side...
    I agree he is psyching out the keeper. Personally I don’t care if he takes one step or goes back and starts his run up at the half way line as long as it hits the net. 

    I noticed last season he stares at one corner. I think he mostly goes to the other but on one occasion he definitely went the side he was staring at. He needs to do that because looking at one side and going the other is the oldest trick in the book. 
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,823
    I din't like it the first few times I saw it, but seeing as he hasn't missed you have to admit it works. It works for Taylor anyway.
  • JoshAddick
    JoshAddick Posts: 1,787
    The goalkeeper always slightly leans to one side before he dives. Lyle notices that and puts it the other side. Surely keepers will start to notice what Lyle does, and they’ll body feint one way and then dive the other.
  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,571
    edited August 2019
    I actually like it now. Expect I won't again when he misses. 
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,990
    Yeah, Lyle is trying to get the keeper to commit before he decides where to place the ball.


  • LeeValley
    LeeValley Posts: 83
    I think that the reason it works is that 99 times out of 100 the keeper moves before the kick is taken. With Lyle walking up it would be too obvious if the keeper moved and if he did Lyle still has time to adjust and put it the other side.
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,464
    Would there be an advantage in not taking a run up at all?  

    If the player placed his standing foot next to the ball and paused in his backlift, he could place the ball inside whichever post he chose and the keeper would have no time to start his dive.  When you run up to the ball, the keeper is given all the information he needs to be able to tell exactly when the kick will be taken and can "time" his dive appropriately.  But if you don't give him that information - ie by not running up - surely you would guarantee scoring, even if the keeper guesses the right way, because his timing would be "out". 

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  • Six-a-bag-of-nuts
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts Posts: 8,160
    Chizz said:
    Would there be an advantage in not taking a run up at all?  

    If the player placed his standing foot next to the ball and paused in his backlift, he could place the ball inside whichever post he chose and the keeper would have no time to start his dive.  When you run up to the ball, the keeper is given all the information he needs to be able to tell exactly when the kick will be taken and can "time" his dive appropriately.  But if you don't give him that information - ie by not running up - surely you would guarantee scoring, even if the keeper guesses the right way, because his timing would be "out". 
    No 
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,464
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:
    Chizz said:
    Would there be an advantage in not taking a run up at all?  

    If the player placed his standing foot next to the ball and paused in his backlift, he could place the ball inside whichever post he chose and the keeper would have no time to start his dive.  When you run up to the ball, the keeper is given all the information he needs to be able to tell exactly when the kick will be taken and can "time" his dive appropriately.  But if you don't give him that information - ie by not running up - surely you would guarantee scoring, even if the keeper guesses the right way, because his timing would be "out". 
    No 
    Fair enough
  • Six-a-bag-of-nuts
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts Posts: 8,160
    Chizz said:
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:
    Chizz said:
    Would there be an advantage in not taking a run up at all?  

    If the player placed his standing foot next to the ball and paused in his backlift, he could place the ball inside whichever post he chose and the keeper would have no time to start his dive.  When you run up to the ball, the keeper is given all the information he needs to be able to tell exactly when the kick will be taken and can "time" his dive appropriately.  But if you don't give him that information - ie by not running up - surely you would guarantee scoring, even if the keeper guesses the right way, because his timing would be "out". 
    No 
    Fair enough
     ;) 
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,464
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUUT1SdA_dI
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 34,361
    I reckon soon a ref will time him out or book him for ungentlrmanky conduct. Its the Charlton way.
  • Sillybilly
    Sillybilly Posts: 9,259
    His technique is essentially a game of chicken with the keeper. Approaching the ball slowly rather than running up allows Lyle to make an absolutely last minute adjustment depending on where the keeper goes. Even if the keeper doesn't commit Lyle should be accurate enough to beat him as it takes longer to get down if you don't commit. The potential flaws are that he misskicks and essentially passes it to the keeper or the keeper manages to dummy him in some way. It is very effective. There is also an element of “look at me I'm Billy BigBollocks” about it which Lyle can carry off. Many others couldn’t. 
  • HardyAddick
    HardyAddick Posts: 1,653
    I don’t recall him having that style when he first joined us. Did he?
  • JoshAddick
    JoshAddick Posts: 1,787
    HardyAddick said:
    I don’t recall him having that style when he first joined us. Did he?
    No. He had a normal penalty run up, but he missed a few and worked on his penalty style in training. Decided on his walky run up and hasn’t missed one since
  • The Prince-e-Paul
    The Prince-e-Paul Posts: 6,713
    I saw him score yesterday and to say I was curious and confused is an understatement. I actually thought he was stepping up to adjust the ball as some players do. When he kicked it past the keeper I wasn't sure for a moment whether the ref was going to call it back. My next thought was "What a cool fella" then delirium broke out. 
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,679
    Frightens the Barry out of me.

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  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,060
    Of course if you do it this way and then miss you really do look like a complete and utter bell-end. When it works you're justifiably confident. When it doesn't you're just a cocky little shit.

    So let's hope he maintains a 100% record!
  • harveys_gardener
    harveys_gardener Posts: 7,038
    He needs to mix it up by adding a ball replacement, then start again.
  • SuedeAdidas
    SuedeAdidas Posts: 7,839
    Im pretty sure he’s got the pills to deal with a couple of misses too. 
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,679
    edited August 2019
    Sooner or later a GK will guess right and as Lyle doesn’t put a lot of pace on the ball it will be an easy save. I much prefer the Clive Mendonca  school of penalty taking.
  • jonseventyfive
    jonseventyfive Posts: 3,405
    Worries the shite out of me, but I guess he has bigger  bits than me. 
  • jacob_CAFC
    jacob_CAFC Posts: 2,063
    Just smash it top corner, none of this walking up to it shit
  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 34,266
    Oggy Red said:
    Yeah, Lyle is trying to get the keeper to commit before he decides where to place the ball.


    Yup that’s exactly it and the slow walk helps him assess what to do. 
  • cblock
    cblock Posts: 1,970
    Did'nt he do the same pen against doncaster at the Valley, in the play offs.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,289
    If it works for him, i couldn't care less if he does a cartwheel on his walk up.

    I guess most people would probably prefer a standard run up and smash it like Shearer or Julian Dicks though.
  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 58,172
    My take...I don’t think it’s anything about psyching out the keeper but everything to do with Lyle being an extrovert, wanting to be unique and put his stamp on it.

    its working as 1. He’s scoring and 2. its starting to generate the attention he craves (imo). he is being recognised for it. 

    I don't personally like it, it makes me too nervous and I think he’ll look a tit when it doesn’t work, but he too will know that so I admire his confidence to put himself up there to be knocked down. Nothing wrong with having a striker with natural confidence / arrogance.  

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