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England Cricket Team Summer 2019 -ICC World Cup and Ashes etc
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Rain toward heading to NW8.
The thoughts on TMS is that when it starts that’ll be it for the day0 -
I think it's to stop constant negative bowling down the leg side whilst overloading the fielding on that side.Lincsaddick said:can anyone enlighten me .. lbw .. if the ball is deemed to be going on to hit the stumps but pitches outside the leg stump, why is that called 'not out' ?1 -
Lincsaddick said:can anyone enlighten me .. lbw .. if the ball is deemed to be going on to hit the stumps but pitches outside the leg stump, why is that called 'not out' ?
To stop “body line” bowling, as in bowling at the body rather at the stumps. It was used to devastating effect in 1932-33 ashes, after which it was outlawed. It’s also why you cannot have more than 2 fielders behind square on the leg side.Lincsaddick said:can anyone enlighten me .. lbw .. if the ball is deemed to be going on to hit the stumps but pitches outside the leg stump, why is that called 'not out' ?2 -
However, if you are going to be bowling 'bodyline' you are not going to get anyone out lbw anyway..kentaddick said:Lincsaddick said:can anyone enlighten me .. lbw .. if the ball is deemed to be going on to hit the stumps but pitches outside the leg stump, why is that called 'not out' ?
To stop “body line” bowling, as in bowling at the body rather at the stumps. It was used to devastating effect in 1932-33 ashes, after which it was outlawed. It’s also why you cannot have more than 2 fielders behind square on the leg side.Lincsaddick said:can anyone enlighten me .. lbw .. if the ball is deemed to be going on to hit the stumps but pitches outside the leg stump, why is that called 'not out' ?
Its also so that the 'standard' rough created by bowlers isn't a key element of bowlers bowling leg-spin around the wicket from the other end.Which is why they talk about the rough causing problems for left-handers.
Makes sense to force bowlers to bowl outside off to right-handers and not defensively outside leg.
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Lincsaddick said:can anyone enlighten me .. lbw .. if the ball is deemed to be going on to hit the stumps but pitches outside the leg stump, why is that called 'not out' ?
I think if the ball pitches outside the off stump, the umpire cant give it out because he cannot be sure it is going to hit the stumps, I think its a silly rule because with ball tracking you can see where the ball goes1 -
which was disapointing as where it hit the batsmen it was clearly in the middle of the sumps. That's the reality but then hey ho it's the rules and same for everybody.Johnnysummers5 said:Lincsaddick said:can anyone enlighten me .. lbw .. if the ball is deemed to be going on to hit the stumps but pitches outside the leg stump, why is that called 'not out' ?
I think if the ball pitches outside the off stump, the umpire cant give it out because he cannot be sure it is going to hit the stumps, I think its a silly rule because with ball tracking you can see where the ball goes1 -
So it looks like rain for the rest of the day but will be fine for Sat and Sunday.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2643743
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Umpires defo don’t want to start again. Brollys up. It’s not even raining at the moment.0
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Johnnysummers5 said:Lincsaddick said:can anyone enlighten me .. lbw .. if the ball is deemed to be going on to hit the stumps but pitches outside the leg stump, why is that called 'not out' ?
I think if the ball pitches outside the off stump, the umpire cant give it out because he cannot be sure it is going to hit the stumps, I think its a silly rule because with ball tracking you can see where the ball goes
Not the case.If the ball pitches offside off, and hits the battter outside the line of off-stump then he's not out. If it hits him in-line of the off-stump (or any other stump) then he's out - (as long as DRS decides thats its going to hit the stumps).
Pitching outside leg is a different matter - if it pitches outside leg, he cant be out lbw,full stop.
Hope this clears matters.
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... as long as the batsman is playing a shot.The_President said:Johnnysummers5 said:Lincsaddick said:can anyone enlighten me .. lbw .. if the ball is deemed to be going on to hit the stumps but pitches outside the leg stump, why is that called 'not out' ?
I think if the ball pitches outside the off stump, the umpire cant give it out because he cannot be sure it is going to hit the stumps, I think its a silly rule because with ball tracking you can see where the ball goes
Not the case.If the ball pitches offside off, and hits the battter outside the line of off-stump then he's not out. If it hits him in-line of the off-stump (or any other stump) then he's out - (as long as DRS decides thats its going to hit the stumps).
Pitching outside leg is a different matter - if it pitches outside leg, he cant be out,full stop.
Hope this clears matters.
If he's shouldering arms or hiding the bat behind the pad (and therefore, in the umpire's opinion, is not playing a shot) and gets hit outside off stump then he can still be given out.5 -
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Briston_Addick said:
... as long as the batsman is playing a shot.The_President said:Johnnysummers5 said:Lincsaddick said:can anyone enlighten me .. lbw .. if the ball is deemed to be going on to hit the stumps but pitches outside the leg stump, why is that called 'not out' ?
I think if the ball pitches outside the off stump, the umpire cant give it out because he cannot be sure it is going to hit the stumps, I think its a silly rule because with ball tracking you can see where the ball goes
Not the case.If the ball pitches offside off, and hits the battter outside the line of off-stump then he's not out. If it hits him in-line of the off-stump (or any other stump) then he's out - (as long as DRS decides thats its going to hit the stumps).
Pitching outside leg is a different matter - if it pitches outside leg, he cant be out,full stop.
Hope this clears matters.
If he's shouldering arms or hiding the bat behind the pad (and therefore, in the umpire's opinion, is not playing a shot) and gets hit outside off stump then he can still be given out.
Correct, thanks Briston.2 -
We have laws not rulesJohnnysummers5 said:Lincsaddick said:can anyone enlighten me .. lbw .. if the ball is deemed to be going on to hit the stumps but pitches outside the leg stump, why is that called 'not out' ?
I think if the ball pitches outside the off stump, the umpire cant give it out because he cannot be sure it is going to hit the stumps, I think its a silly rule because with ball tracking you can see where the ball goes1 -
We are in the pub. We didn’t get pass outs. We booked tickets for cinema and now there is an inspection at 4.30. Damn and blast.0
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An inspection does not necessarily mean play later.suzisausage said:We are in the pub. We didn’t get pass outs. We booked tickets for cinema and now there is an inspection at 4.30. Damn and blast.
Bad light might well be a factor today even if it is considered dry enough.0 -
I have just done an inspection outside my front door in Greenwich and it is drizzling so doubt if there will be any more play today Suzi. I think they will call it a day and back for tw.0
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Gone from Pitch Inspection to Rain Delay now.0
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Covers coming off. Inspection at 5.20pm.0
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My worry is that they decide they can play at say 6:15, by which time the heavier evening rain will arriveRudders22 said:Covers coming off. Inspection at 5.20pm.
Lord's must have made a fortune from alcohol sales today, especially as it's Friday...1 -
Who knows with a bit of luck Steve Smith may have been frustrated in the dressing room and has a wayward shot (or misjudges and LBW). Now if we can nick a couple of wickets tonight...1
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Are you suggesting that Lord's doesn't always make a fortune from alcohol sales during a Test Match?killerandflash said:
My worry is that they decide they can play at say 6:15, by which time the heavier evening rain will arriveRudders22 said:Covers coming off. Inspection at 5.20pm.
Lord's must have made a fortune from alcohol sales today, especially as it's Friday...
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Rainy days are even better as there's none of that cricket stuff getting in the way of the drinking!Chizz said:
Are you suggesting that Lord's doesn't always make a fortune from alcohol sales during a Test Match?killerandflash said:
My worry is that they decide they can play at say 6:15, by which time the heavier evening rain will arriveRudders22 said:Covers coming off. Inspection at 5.20pm.
Lord's must have made a fortune from alcohol sales today, especially as it's Friday...
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And unlike Wednesday, no 100% ticket refunds either...2 -
That's it for the day. No more play. We played well today.0
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The latest rain radar gives great promise......
of a fuckload more rain0 -
i think the only way we might get any result now is if we can roll over Oz for 160 or less tomorrow, then rack up enough to make them bat for the whole day on day 4 - weather permitting of course.0
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It's Day 4 tomorrow, certainly don't want them batting all day if we are to win!The_President said:i think the only way we might get any result now is if we can roll over Oz for 160 or less tomorrow, then rack up enough to make them bat for the whole day on day 4 - weather permitting of course.
Almost impossible to win this one, although the fragile batting line ups of both sides could provide a minor miracle!1 -
yeah thanks 1990, meant day 5.cafcfan1990 said:
It's Day 4 tomorrow, certainly don't want them batting all day if we are to win!The_President said:i think the only way we might get any result now is if we can roll over Oz for 160 or less tomorrow, then rack up enough to make them bat for the whole day on day 4 - weather permitting of course.
Almost impossible to win this one, although the fragile batting line ups of both sides could provide a minor miracle!
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I do agree though, we need to get them by the middle of the afternoon session at the latest. Just not sure I can see that happening. Get Smith early though and that could change.The_President said:
yeah thanks 1990, meant day 5.cafcfan1990 said:
It's Day 4 tomorrow, certainly don't want them batting all day if we are to win!The_President said:i think the only way we might get any result now is if we can roll over Oz for 160 or less tomorrow, then rack up enough to make them bat for the whole day on day 4 - weather permitting of course.
Almost impossible to win this one, although the fragile batting line ups of both sides could provide a minor miracle!0 -
Left at 1pm, still drinking around Baker St.0
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and that is far from impossibleThe_President said:i think the only way we might get any result now is if we can roll over Oz for 160 or less tomorrow, then rack up enough to make them bat for the whole day on day 4 - weather permitting of course.
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A draw must be odds on.....90% I'd say. Surely we are the only ones that could win it now.....as @ThePresident said, get them all out by early afternoon tomorrow with a 80-100run lead & then bat the rest of the day, leaving them Sunday to survive.
Being England though it wouldn't surprise me if Oz bat all day tomorrow & an hour on Sunday.....then bowl us out inside 2 sessions .1
