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The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)
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Looking that as days pass we are slipping back into an impasse that will see no sale go through in time to offer LB any help in the transfer market if at all. Think we will need to revisit this thread next January.1
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The money was put in as a last resort to keep the club afloat during the 2009/10 season. At the time relationships on the board had all but broken down and Steve Waggott was chief executive, so Richard Murray got Peter Varney - not working for the club at the time - to talk various parties into chipping in.MartinCAFC said:
The biggest problem is that it's a £7m loan nobody wants to pay back because they themselves did not benefit from the loan from the ex-directors. It might be his responsibility and negligence for not understanding the debt but RD didn't borrow the money and we shouldn't assume he should have to pay it back because he's a billionaire. The Aussies and all the other possible buyers didn't borrow it either so understandably nobody wants to pay back a debt that they didn't reap the benefit from. That said, the debt does belong to RD as the current owner and it's his responsibility (at present) to pay it back.SoundAsa£ said:Evidently he is still interested but his offer is reported to be ‘take it or leave it’ which we more or less knew anyway.....so nothing new really other than it now ‘appears’ to have been confirmed......though it must be said, still not by Dalman himself or anyone else who ‘officially’ represents him.
Despite previous assurances The Helmet has de facto put the price up, either in the actual asking price (that’s not know by the way), or doing it indirectly through the back door by means of some new ‘add ons’.
Kick backs from player sales (whether those are solely of players currently on our books or for a further unspecified period is not known), plus a further kick back if we get promoted are now on the agenda.
On top of that, we have the perennial saga of the directors loans being thrown into the melting pot!
Speaking for myself I don’t see the problem, as has been stressed by others, these loans are NOT payable until such time as we get promoted to The Premiership......so why does this keep popping up?
£7,000,000 ain’t a Kings Ransom when you consider that we would get something in the region of £150,000,000 to £200,000,000 just for getting there.
The sale of a player for £7,000,000 or so would sort that out....peanuts in reality.
Which is a reason why I can’t understand why these loans should be an issue at point of sale other than for a prospective buyer to take on board that they are outstanding further down the line.
For the life of me I cannot see why they would need to be paid for at anytime before the time we were promoted, so why oh why do they keep being brought up as being a problem concerning the purchase price.........I am truly baffled?
It's been so long now I've forgotten but who exactly got the benefit of the £7m from the ex-directors?
Genuinely starting to think the £7m won't ever be paid back until we're back in The Premier League and trying to do that on a League One budget appears to be why we're at a stalemate.
When we didn’t get promoted in 2010 it was clear the club had to be sold because the various directors either coudn’t or wouldn’t fund it further. An eight-figure sum was written off to make the club saleable and it passed into the (temporary) ownership of Murray alone to make it easier to sell, but it was agreed that the 2009 last-ditch loans should be left on the books.6 -
If we got to the prem he'd want £200M + the debt.0
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Three to go.BR3red said:The way this is going @happyvalley will morph into Nostradamus1 -
1898 Overheight horse and cart gets stuckhappyvalley said:1897, Blackwell Tunnel opened.6 -
Roland got landed with it, but how can he expect somebody else to make the same mistake he did? In all honesty, it wasn't a massively hidden secret at the time was it? He was negligent in his due diligence and in this particular case, it has cost him £7m! It's like when you get palmed off with a dodgy coin. Do you take the hit or try to palm it of onto somebody else? Of course if they know you have the coin, the latter is pretty impossible anyway!6
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Dalman bid in the balance - 50/50.Chizz said:Dalman bid back on .0 -
This is a fair shout.addick05 said:Chizz said:
What do you think would be the best form of protest and when do you think it should take place?Neil Heaney said:JamesSeed said:
This. Don’t for a minute believe he doesn’t care about the protests. According to GM he very much does.MartinCAFC said:
ThisNo.1 in South London said:I don't believe that Roland has a "breaking point"............ he has enough money for it not to bother him much. His stubbornness has been evident for far too long and those thinking that he will cave in are going to be left very disappointed and frustrated IMHO.
It's either going to take a stupid offer or a decline in our fortunes again to get him to sell up. He can then go and crawl back under his rock.
or a second miracle of Bowyer getting us promoted to The Premier League on a League One budget.
RD probably feels he's now fended off the peak of the protests so can afford to wait for the price he wants as mentioned by No.1
This is why the lack of dissent and organisation from CARD this summer has surprised me.
He first took interest in selling the club and then officially put us on the market following the Belgium march in 2017.
After every major 'protest' gesture against him he's panicked and reacted. Gibbering away on TalkSport, nonsense statements on the OS, openly claiming he wants rid of the club.
He's also admitted in private conversations and public interviews that the fans actively revolting convinced him that his CAFC project was over.
So I'm surprised we haven't played on this a little more over the summer to try to get his price down and push this over the line. To pre-empt some responses, I know in theory anyone can prompt a protest and CARD and the like shouldn't have to shoulder all the responsibility, but their access to the protest funds, contacts with the press and ability to mobilise hundreds/thousands of us means it's usually the most effective route.
I'm not blaming the heroes of that movement who've done some truly great work, but I do feel we've taken our foot of the gas at the wrong time here.
Don't worry - if we're bottom of the league at end of October the protests will be back on again.
The protests at The Valley ground to a halt when we lost 4k of season ticket holders/boycotters. Now 4k of whoever have come back this could reignite the protests if we are floundering soon into the season.
Having said that, I think it's proven that NOTHING the fans do make a slightest bit of difference in what this clown does, HE HAS TOO MUCH MONEY.
Back to fan mode "long live the protest".0 -
We'll be getting 18k and Dushitelet will be laughing his tits off.addick05 said:I know I'm on a different planet here, but what if - by the end of October say - we're sitting 3rd in the league?0 -
1898, Harry Patch born. He became the oldest survivor that fought in the First World War, he lived to the age of 109.13
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My hero that man makes my piss boil that the Rat had so many great English men help him be able to have achieved his wealth by the things they done in Belgium including Harry and yet he is treating so many of us like a c&&thappyvalley said:1898, Harry Patch born. He became the oldest survivor that fought in the First World War, he lived to the age of 109.8 -
Doubt it.carly burn said:Henry Irving said:No way does it "suit" Bowyer. He's waiting on a takeover.
And Duchatelet won't sack Bowyer, that would cost money.
Any relegation battle will be the fans fault, the 8 or 9 interested parties who couldn't agree a deal fault, the EFLs fault.
If you ask him he'd say exactly the kind of things he said last season about it being out of his control and he's here to work with what he's got. If he's sitting around twiddling his thumbs for a takeover he'll have a long bloody wait.
I guarantee that if we're bottom after 10 games Bowyer will be gone.
Nobody else left in the building.
Would cost the Belgian money.
Lee, Lee, Lee Bowyer knows the score and won't walk.1 -
Yeah, every Saturday night /Sunday morning. No one knows why but apparently it will go on for ever!LargeAddick said:
Been closed plenty of times since ...happyvalley said:1897, Blackwell Tunnel opened.0 -
Lived to 111happyvalley said:1898, Harry Patch born. He became the oldest survivor that fought in the First World War, he lived to the age of 109.1 -
Whatever the Belgian does here is more by luck than good judgement.Henry Irving said:No way does it "suit" Bowyer. He's waiting on a takeover.
And Duchatelet won't sack Bowyer, that would cost money.
Any relegation battle will be the fans fault, the 8 or 9 interested parties who couldn't agree a deal fault, the EFLs fault.
An absolute shambles, why has Murray been on his toes when needed to stabalise things?1 -
Totally agree, Nothing we as fans do will affect RD. If he goes it will be when he decides.ElfsborgAddick said:
This is a fair shout.addick05 said:Chizz said:
What do you think would be the best form of protest and when do you think it should take place?Neil Heaney said:JamesSeed said:
This. Don’t for a minute believe he doesn’t care about the protests. According to GM he very much does.MartinCAFC said:
ThisNo.1 in South London said:I don't believe that Roland has a "breaking point"............ he has enough money for it not to bother him much. His stubbornness has been evident for far too long and those thinking that he will cave in are going to be left very disappointed and frustrated IMHO.
It's either going to take a stupid offer or a decline in our fortunes again to get him to sell up. He can then go and crawl back under his rock.
or a second miracle of Bowyer getting us promoted to The Premier League on a League One budget.
RD probably feels he's now fended off the peak of the protests so can afford to wait for the price he wants as mentioned by No.1
This is why the lack of dissent and organisation from CARD this summer has surprised me.
He first took interest in selling the club and then officially put us on the market following the Belgium march in 2017.
After every major 'protest' gesture against him he's panicked and reacted. Gibbering away on TalkSport, nonsense statements on the OS, openly claiming he wants rid of the club.
He's also admitted in private conversations and public interviews that the fans actively revolting convinced him that his CAFC project was over.
So I'm surprised we haven't played on this a little more over the summer to try to get his price down and push this over the line. To pre-empt some responses, I know in theory anyone can prompt a protest and CARD and the like shouldn't have to shoulder all the responsibility, but their access to the protest funds, contacts with the press and ability to mobilise hundreds/thousands of us means it's usually the most effective route.
I'm not blaming the heroes of that movement who've done some truly great work, but I do feel we've taken our foot of the gas at the wrong time here.
Don't worry - if we're bottom of the league at end of October the protests will be back on again.
The protests at The Valley ground to a halt when we lost 4k of season ticket holders/boycotters. Now 4k of whoever have come back this could reignite the protests if we are floundering soon into the season.
Having said that, I think it's proven that NOTHING the fans do make a slightest bit of difference in what this clown does, HE HAS TOO MUCH MONEY.
Back to fan mode "long live the protest".1 -
Richard Murray should be ashamed of himself, and know he has zero answers to QUOTES from himself in January 2014.2
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You just give it to a taxi driverMuttleyCAFC said:Roland got landed with it, but how can he expect somebody else to make the same mistake he did? In all honesty, it wasn't a massively hidden secret at the time was it? He was negligent in his due diligence and in this particular case, it has cost him £7m! It's like when you get palmed off with a dodgy coin. Do you take the hit or try to palm it of onto somebody else? Of course if they know you have the coin, the latter is pretty impossible anyway!0 -
So the things that have happened in Belgium in the last few years have had no effect on him? I don't think so.addick05 said:
Totally agree, Nothing we as fans do will affect RD. If he goes it will be when he decides.ElfsborgAddick said:
This is a fair shout.addick05 said:Chizz said:
What do you think would be the best form of protest and when do you think it should take place?Neil Heaney said:JamesSeed said:
This. Don’t for a minute believe he doesn’t care about the protests. According to GM he very much does.MartinCAFC said:
ThisNo.1 in South London said:I don't believe that Roland has a "breaking point"............ he has enough money for it not to bother him much. His stubbornness has been evident for far too long and those thinking that he will cave in are going to be left very disappointed and frustrated IMHO.
It's either going to take a stupid offer or a decline in our fortunes again to get him to sell up. He can then go and crawl back under his rock.
or a second miracle of Bowyer getting us promoted to The Premier League on a League One budget.
RD probably feels he's now fended off the peak of the protests so can afford to wait for the price he wants as mentioned by No.1
This is why the lack of dissent and organisation from CARD this summer has surprised me.
He first took interest in selling the club and then officially put us on the market following the Belgium march in 2017.
After every major 'protest' gesture against him he's panicked and reacted. Gibbering away on TalkSport, nonsense statements on the OS, openly claiming he wants rid of the club.
He's also admitted in private conversations and public interviews that the fans actively revolting convinced him that his CAFC project was over.
So I'm surprised we haven't played on this a little more over the summer to try to get his price down and push this over the line. To pre-empt some responses, I know in theory anyone can prompt a protest and CARD and the like shouldn't have to shoulder all the responsibility, but their access to the protest funds, contacts with the press and ability to mobilise hundreds/thousands of us means it's usually the most effective route.
I'm not blaming the heroes of that movement who've done some truly great work, but I do feel we've taken our foot of the gas at the wrong time here.
Don't worry - if we're bottom of the league at end of October the protests will be back on again.
The protests at The Valley ground to a halt when we lost 4k of season ticket holders/boycotters. Now 4k of whoever have come back this could reignite the protests if we are floundering soon into the season.
Having said that, I think it's proven that NOTHING the fans do make a slightest bit of difference in what this clown does, HE HAS TOO MUCH MONEY.
Back to fan mode "long live the protest".5 -
What happens when this thread gets past page 2019? Does @happyvalley have to start predicting the future?4
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That’s ‘Karl Robinson’ for those of a nervous disposition.Henry Irving said:
I hope we never get into that situation but he didn't fire Gobinson despite our slide and Tarby begging to go.carly burn said:Henry Irving said:No way does it "suit" Bowyer. He's waiting on a takeover.
And Duchatelet won't sack Bowyer, that would cost money.
Any relegation battle will be the fans fault, the 8 or 9 interested parties who couldn't agree a deal fault, the EFLs fault.
If you ask him he'd say exactly the kind of things he said last season about it being out of his control and he's here to work with what he's got. If he's sitting around twiddling his thumbs for a takeover he'll have a long bloody wait.
I guarantee that if we're bottom after 10 games Bowyer will be gone.0 -
Not true, according to Gerard Murphy.ElfsborgAddick said:
This is a fair shout.addick05 said:Chizz said:
What do you think would be the best form of protest and when do you think it should take place?Neil Heaney said:JamesSeed said:
This. Don’t for a minute believe he doesn’t care about the protests. According to GM he very much does.MartinCAFC said:
ThisNo.1 in South London said:I don't believe that Roland has a "breaking point"............ he has enough money for it not to bother him much. His stubbornness has been evident for far too long and those thinking that he will cave in are going to be left very disappointed and frustrated IMHO.
It's either going to take a stupid offer or a decline in our fortunes again to get him to sell up. He can then go and crawl back under his rock.
or a second miracle of Bowyer getting us promoted to The Premier League on a League One budget.
RD probably feels he's now fended off the peak of the protests so can afford to wait for the price he wants as mentioned by No.1
This is why the lack of dissent and organisation from CARD this summer has surprised me.
He first took interest in selling the club and then officially put us on the market following the Belgium march in 2017.
After every major 'protest' gesture against him he's panicked and reacted. Gibbering away on TalkSport, nonsense statements on the OS, openly claiming he wants rid of the club.
He's also admitted in private conversations and public interviews that the fans actively revolting convinced him that his CAFC project was over.
So I'm surprised we haven't played on this a little more over the summer to try to get his price down and push this over the line. To pre-empt some responses, I know in theory anyone can prompt a protest and CARD and the like shouldn't have to shoulder all the responsibility, but their access to the protest funds, contacts with the press and ability to mobilise hundreds/thousands of us means it's usually the most effective route.
I'm not blaming the heroes of that movement who've done some truly great work, but I do feel we've taken our foot of the gas at the wrong time here.
Don't worry - if we're bottom of the league at end of October the protests will be back on again.
The protests at The Valley ground to a halt when we lost 4k of season ticket holders/boycotters. Now 4k of whoever have come back this could reignite the protests if we are floundering soon into the season.
Having said that, I think it's proven that NOTHING the fans do make a slightest bit of difference in what this clown does, HE HAS TOO MUCH MONEY.
Back to fan mode "long live the protest".
Bowyer contract is a case in point.3 -
Wow that’s a thought - I’m surprised that nobody has posted that before...😱Off_it said:What happens when this thread gets past page 2019? Does @happyvalley have to start predicting the future?13 -
There's definitely value in the protests taking place in Belgium as there's always a reaction one way or another but I feel any value in protests at The Valley would be extremely limited especially when RD isn't even there.3
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It really wouldn't surprise me if Duchatelet was now in the realms of conducting a sociological experiment into how his actions and lack of actions influences the moods, behaviours, emotions and psychology of thousands of Charlton fans, observing hundreds of us on social media platforms.JamesSeed said:
Not true, according to Gerard Murphy.ElfsborgAddick said:
This is a fair shout.addick05 said:Chizz said:
What do you think would be the best form of protest and when do you think it should take place?Neil Heaney said:JamesSeed said:
This. Don’t for a minute believe he doesn’t care about the protests. According to GM he very much does.MartinCAFC said:
ThisNo.1 in South London said:I don't believe that Roland has a "breaking point"............ he has enough money for it not to bother him much. His stubbornness has been evident for far too long and those thinking that he will cave in are going to be left very disappointed and frustrated IMHO.
It's either going to take a stupid offer or a decline in our fortunes again to get him to sell up. He can then go and crawl back under his rock.
or a second miracle of Bowyer getting us promoted to The Premier League on a League One budget.
RD probably feels he's now fended off the peak of the protests so can afford to wait for the price he wants as mentioned by No.1
This is why the lack of dissent and organisation from CARD this summer has surprised me.
He first took interest in selling the club and then officially put us on the market following the Belgium march in 2017.
After every major 'protest' gesture against him he's panicked and reacted. Gibbering away on TalkSport, nonsense statements on the OS, openly claiming he wants rid of the club.
He's also admitted in private conversations and public interviews that the fans actively revolting convinced him that his CAFC project was over.
So I'm surprised we haven't played on this a little more over the summer to try to get his price down and push this over the line. To pre-empt some responses, I know in theory anyone can prompt a protest and CARD and the like shouldn't have to shoulder all the responsibility, but their access to the protest funds, contacts with the press and ability to mobilise hundreds/thousands of us means it's usually the most effective route.
I'm not blaming the heroes of that movement who've done some truly great work, but I do feel we've taken our foot of the gas at the wrong time here.
Don't worry - if we're bottom of the league at end of October the protests will be back on again.
The protests at The Valley ground to a halt when we lost 4k of season ticket holders/boycotters. Now 4k of whoever have come back this could reignite the protests if we are floundering soon into the season.
Having said that, I think it's proven that NOTHING the fans do make a slightest bit of difference in what this clown does, HE HAS TOO MUCH MONEY.
Back to fan mode "long live the protest".
Bowyer contract is a case in point.
Probably dragging it out out of curiosity to see the effects it has on the club's fan base so he can note it down in his journals in between rants on the OS.
Scary thing is I'm not even joking.1 -
Because gobinson was never going to get us promoted so nreason to aack him.JamesSeed said:
That’s ‘Karl Robinson’ for those of a nervous disposition.Henry Irving said:
I hope we never get into that situation but he didn't fire Gobinson despite our slide and Tarby begging to go.carly burn said:Henry Irving said:No way does it "suit" Bowyer. He's waiting on a takeover.
And Duchatelet won't sack Bowyer, that would cost money.
Any relegation battle will be the fans fault, the 8 or 9 interested parties who couldn't agree a deal fault, the EFLs fault.
If you ask him he'd say exactly the kind of things he said last season about it being out of his control and he's here to work with what he's got. If he's sitting around twiddling his thumbs for a takeover he'll have a long bloody wait.
I guarantee that if we're bottom after 10 games Bowyer will be gone.0 -
It's scary how clueless he is. Look at Sheffield Wednesday possibly getting a £5m compensation for Steve Bruce and we have RD thinking the best way to sell something is to have nothing to sell.JamesSeed said:
Not true, according to Gerard Murphy.ElfsborgAddick said:
This is a fair shout.addick05 said:Chizz said:
What do you think would be the best form of protest and when do you think it should take place?Neil Heaney said:JamesSeed said:
This. Don’t for a minute believe he doesn’t care about the protests. According to GM he very much does.MartinCAFC said:
ThisNo.1 in South London said:I don't believe that Roland has a "breaking point"............ he has enough money for it not to bother him much. His stubbornness has been evident for far too long and those thinking that he will cave in are going to be left very disappointed and frustrated IMHO.
It's either going to take a stupid offer or a decline in our fortunes again to get him to sell up. He can then go and crawl back under his rock.
or a second miracle of Bowyer getting us promoted to The Premier League on a League One budget.
RD probably feels he's now fended off the peak of the protests so can afford to wait for the price he wants as mentioned by No.1
This is why the lack of dissent and organisation from CARD this summer has surprised me.
He first took interest in selling the club and then officially put us on the market following the Belgium march in 2017.
After every major 'protest' gesture against him he's panicked and reacted. Gibbering away on TalkSport, nonsense statements on the OS, openly claiming he wants rid of the club.
He's also admitted in private conversations and public interviews that the fans actively revolting convinced him that his CAFC project was over.
So I'm surprised we haven't played on this a little more over the summer to try to get his price down and push this over the line. To pre-empt some responses, I know in theory anyone can prompt a protest and CARD and the like shouldn't have to shoulder all the responsibility, but their access to the protest funds, contacts with the press and ability to mobilise hundreds/thousands of us means it's usually the most effective route.
I'm not blaming the heroes of that movement who've done some truly great work, but I do feel we've taken our foot of the gas at the wrong time here.
Don't worry - if we're bottom of the league at end of October the protests will be back on again.
The protests at The Valley ground to a halt when we lost 4k of season ticket holders/boycotters. Now 4k of whoever have come back this could reignite the protests if we are floundering soon into the season.
Having said that, I think it's proven that NOTHING the fans do make a slightest bit of difference in what this clown does, HE HAS TOO MUCH MONEY.
Back to fan mode "long live the protest".
Bowyer contract is a case in point.2 -
Mum are we there yet?2
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He cannot be hurt financially, he has too much money.superclive98 said:
So the things that have happened in Belgium in the last few years have had no effect on him? I don't think so.addick05 said:
Totally agree, Nothing we as fans do will affect RD. If he goes it will be when he decides.ElfsborgAddick said:
This is a fair shout.addick05 said:Chizz said:
What do you think would be the best form of protest and when do you think it should take place?Neil Heaney said:JamesSeed said:
This. Don’t for a minute believe he doesn’t care about the protests. According to GM he very much does.MartinCAFC said:
ThisNo.1 in South London said:I don't believe that Roland has a "breaking point"............ he has enough money for it not to bother him much. His stubbornness has been evident for far too long and those thinking that he will cave in are going to be left very disappointed and frustrated IMHO.
It's either going to take a stupid offer or a decline in our fortunes again to get him to sell up. He can then go and crawl back under his rock.
or a second miracle of Bowyer getting us promoted to The Premier League on a League One budget.
RD probably feels he's now fended off the peak of the protests so can afford to wait for the price he wants as mentioned by No.1
This is why the lack of dissent and organisation from CARD this summer has surprised me.
He first took interest in selling the club and then officially put us on the market following the Belgium march in 2017.
After every major 'protest' gesture against him he's panicked and reacted. Gibbering away on TalkSport, nonsense statements on the OS, openly claiming he wants rid of the club.
He's also admitted in private conversations and public interviews that the fans actively revolting convinced him that his CAFC project was over.
So I'm surprised we haven't played on this a little more over the summer to try to get his price down and push this over the line. To pre-empt some responses, I know in theory anyone can prompt a protest and CARD and the like shouldn't have to shoulder all the responsibility, but their access to the protest funds, contacts with the press and ability to mobilise hundreds/thousands of us means it's usually the most effective route.
I'm not blaming the heroes of that movement who've done some truly great work, but I do feel we've taken our foot of the gas at the wrong time here.
Don't worry - if we're bottom of the league at end of October the protests will be back on again.
The protests at The Valley ground to a halt when we lost 4k of season ticket holders/boycotters. Now 4k of whoever have come back this could reignite the protests if we are floundering soon into the season.
Having said that, I think it's proven that NOTHING the fans do make a slightest bit of difference in what this clown does, HE HAS TOO MUCH MONEY.
Back to fan mode "long live the protest".
Living abroad he is 'thick skinned' to our protests. He'll go when he wants to and will not be swayed by anything other than his pen towards the dotted line.2 -
HicRudders22 said:
Because gobinson was never going to get us promoted so nreason to aack him.JamesSeed said:
That’s ‘Karl Robinson’ for those of a nervous disposition.Henry Irving said:
I hope we never get into that situation but he didn't fire Gobinson despite our slide and Tarby begging to go.carly burn said:Henry Irving said:No way does it "suit" Bowyer. He's waiting on a takeover.
And Duchatelet won't sack Bowyer, that would cost money.
Any relegation battle will be the fans fault, the 8 or 9 interested parties who couldn't agree a deal fault, the EFLs fault.
If you ask him he'd say exactly the kind of things he said last season about it being out of his control and he's here to work with what he's got. If he's sitting around twiddling his thumbs for a takeover he'll have a long bloody wait.
I guarantee that if we're bottom after 10 games Bowyer will be gone.7
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