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Is there something you want to tell us mate?Carter said:I distinctly recall a conversation between me and one of my best pals when another good friend of ours called us to a summit to a pub in Gillingham to tell us what we had known for years, that he was gay. This would have been in about 2000 or 2001 at the latest.
Now before I write anymore I'm not trying to garner any thought that I am anything but a knuckle dragging caveman. I'm not a deep thinker but I am an honest conveyor of my thoughts.
When our pal went to the bog me and my other mate digested and spoke about what we had been told and agreed it was no big deal for us, that it would have been a big deal for him and it didnt bother us in the slightest. I also commented that in ten years there wouldn't be any gay/straight anymore just people shagging who they wanted, so that would have taken us to 2010 or 11. Our mate came back and we began the predictable playful puerile jokes and questions and piss taking, in the same tone that we had always talked and we are all still very close pals. As far as I'm concerned my friend X is not 'my gay mate' has just one of my chums who happens to prefer shagging men, which is absolutely gravy with me and a total afterthought now.
In the intervening years I have attended gay pride in Brighton, kind of by accident as I was seeing a gorgeous woman from Brighton qt the time and that was the weekend it happened to be mutually convenient for me to come and stay as opposed to the poor girl having to come and stop with me at mine again. I had a fantastic time, ticked every stereotypical box that a straight white male does when attending the single most flamboyant and extravagant event in the UK and not at any point was I thinking 'why do these people have to make such a song and dance about being gay', I was just swept along with the whole thing and had an amazing time. Not to say @palarsehater is wrong because he is pretty much saying what I thought would have already happened by 2010.
And if I'm being honest I genuinely believe we are past point Rubicon now in regards homosexuality in the UK, you will always get incidents, isolated incidents, like the one where 2 poor girls were beaten up for refusing to appease a bunch of neanderthals on a bus anymore than a third generation bloke of Pakistani heritage has any right to call a nation racist or bigoted because some doughnut has racially abused them in the past and seek solace in some Jihadi preacher. I don't think anyone can attempt to use that as an example of the UK being intolerant. Britain is one of the most tolerant places on earth and I guarantee when the first professional footballer does come out they will have the support of most 99.9% of their colleagues and opponents certainly ones indigenous to Great Britain and I genuinely believe most football crowds will be supportive too.
We've all realised singing songs about people loving it up the arse and holding hands have no place in society and at least @palarsehater has been ballsy enough to admit he's done it and laughed about it, so have I, and I could identify a lot of liars who say they haven't I'd I really wanted to. Its obviously unacceptable but more to the point, I didnt have the wherewithal and emotional intelligence to realise it was wrong at the time, I do now and have done for a long time. Key thing is not to do it again and to understand why it's wrong.
And in regards people being gay, straight, whatever in the workplace I firmly believe that is the business of as few or as many people as I choose to make it. I would absolutely put anyone who stalked my facebook account in their place and embarrass them, if a fucking team leader tried any of the bullshit mentioned earlier I'd be dealing with them, if I was keeping my business to myself and some prick on 20 pound a week more than me decided to try and discover my business for the purpose of nosey dickheads on the office I'd turn them onside out. That person, annoying or not would have had a very solid case for constructive dismissal/workplace bullying just from the snippets shared.
Can we get back to talking about cocks and arsewiping now?11 -
Interesting was Davis.Covered End said:
Steve Davies ?Leuth said:Hopefully it'll be like when Steve Davies came out. A (welcome) ripple of applause from the media and then get on with the game.
Steve "interesting" Davies or another Steve Davies ?
If him I never knew.0 -
Is Ambrose gay?palarsehater said:and also the holier than hou from a lot is bollocks as ill freely admit it have joined in with songs about darren ambrose and brighton - dont class myself as homophobic but some would for saying those things.0 -
Great post @Carter but I’m concerned you have a friend that lives in Gillingham ...12
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Football is horrendously homophonic - I genuinely think the vocal minority will give anyone that is brave enough to come out untold grief0
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I don’t think they will.wmcf123 said:Football is horrendously homophonic - I genuinely think the vocal minority will give anyone that is brave enough to come out untold grief
Yes, there will be a few idiots at first but I think the majority will shout louder and hopefully shame them into turning it in.0 -
Pineapple is supposed to do wonders.Big_Bad_World said:Sweet, salty or toffee?
Oh, sorry, not that.1 -
ElfsborgAddick said:
Is Ambrose gay?palarsehater said:and also the holier than hou from a lot is bollocks as ill freely admit it have joined in with songs about darren ambrose and brighton - dont class myself as homophobic but some would for saying those things.
Around the same time there was a rumour going around that other players thought Le Saux was gay just for reading the Guardian. It was probably something equally stupid that earned Ambrose the same label.0 -
Who cares?ElfsborgAddick said:
Is Ambrose gay?palarsehater said:and also the holier than hou from a lot is bollocks as ill freely admit it have joined in with songs about darren ambrose and brighton - dont class myself as homophobic but some would for saying those things.7 -
What would happen today if a player did this to an opponent he suspected was gay?
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Ambrose’s mrsChizz said:
Who cares?ElfsborgAddick said:
Is Ambrose gay?palarsehater said:and also the holier than hou from a lot is bollocks as ill freely admit it have joined in with songs about darren ambrose and brighton - dont class myself as homophobic but some would for saying those things.1 -
If it were now Fowler would really be in deep trouble with the FA.SantaClaus said:What would happen today if a player did this to an opponent he suspected was gay?
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When whoever this is reveals himself on TalkSport tomorrow you'll gonna say WHO?????
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But WHY haven't there been more former players coming out, as surely if there were people hiding their sexuality while playing they'd feel free to come out once retired? Thomas Hitzlsperger came out and got lots of support for example, but I'm struggling to think of anyone else.thenewbie said:
It's 2019. People are still getting abused and assaulted for their sexuality. No high profile male football player has come out publicly while still playing in decades. So yeah it does need publicity and lots of it.Gravesend_Addick said:What a load of nonsense. If you're gay, you're gay. It's 2019 for crying out loud. All this cryptic stuff on Twitter is unnecessary.
No need to turn your sexuality into a publicity stunt
The lack of ex pros coming out suggests to me that the number of current players who are gay is probably a tiny number.
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Sadly whilst The UK may be in a great place now it would seem the negative attacks and abuse is on the rise, it's a very slippery slope. The changes I've seen here in the last 5 years have been awful for the gay community to the point a local forum was pressured into closing its gsy classified section. That's how much a shift in Government and a bit of propoganda can change things. Whilst I don't believe anything so drastic could happen in England we should always be vigilant, if things like Pride can make more people aware then it's only a good thing.Carter said:*I distinctly recall a conversation between me and one of my best pals when another good friend of ours called us to a summit to a pub in Gillingham to tell us what we had known for years, that he was gay. This would have been in about 2000 or 2001 at the latest.
Now before I write anymore I'm not trying to garner any thought that I am anything but a knuckle dragging caveman. I'm not a deep thinker but I am an honest conveyor of my thoughts.
When our pal went to the bog me and my other mate digested and spoke about what we had been told and agreed it was no big deal for us, that it would have been a big deal for him and it didnt bother us in the slightest. I also commented that in ten years there wouldn't be any gay/straight anymore just people shagging who they wanted, so that would have taken us to 2010 or 11. Our mate came back and we began the predictable playful puerile jokes and questions and piss taking, in the same tone that we had always talked and we are all still very close pals. As far as I'm concerned my friend X is not 'my gay mate' has just one of my chums who happens to prefer shagging men, which is absolutely gravy with me and a total afterthought now.
In the intervening years I have attended gay pride in Brighton, kind of by accident as I was seeing a gorgeous woman from Brighton qt the time and that was the weekend it happened to be mutually convenient for me to come and stay as opposed to the poor girl having to come and stop with me at mine again. I had a fantastic time, ticked every stereotypical box that a straight white male does when attending the single most flamboyant and extravagant event in the UK and not at any point was I thinking 'why do these people have to make such a song and dance about being gay', I was just swept along with the whole thing and had an amazing time. Not to say @palarsehater is wrong because he is pretty much saying what I thought would have already happened by 2010.
And if I'm being honest I genuinely believe we are past point Rubicon now in regards homosexuality in the UK, you will always get incidents, isolated incidents, like the one where 2 poor girls were beaten up for refusing to appease a bunch of neanderthals on a bus anymore than a third generation bloke of Pakistani heritage has any right to call a nation racist or bigoted because some doughnut has racially abused them in the past and seek solace in some Jihadi preacher. I don't think anyone can attempt to use that as an example of the UK being intolerant. Britain is one of the most tolerant places on earth and I guarantee when the first professional footballer does come out they will have the support of most 99.9% of their colleagues and opponents certainly ones indigenous to Great Britain and I genuinely believe most football crowds will be supportive too.
We've all realised singing songs about people loving it up the arse and holding hands have no place in society and at least @palarsehater has been ballsy enough to admit he's done it and laughed about it, so have I, and I could identify a lot of liars who say they haven't I'd I really wanted to. Its obviously unacceptable but more to the point, I didnt have the wherewithal and emotional intelligence to realise it was wrong at the time, I do now and have done for a long time. Key thing is not to do it again and to understand why it's wrong.
And in regards people being gay, straight, whatever in the workplace I firmly believe that is the business of as few or as many people as I choose to make it. I would absolutely put anyone who stalked my facebook account in their place and embarrass them, if a fucking team leader tried any of the bullshit mentioned earlier I'd be dealing with them, if I was keeping my business to myself and some prick on 20 pound a week more than me decided to try and discover my business for the purpose of nosey dickheads on the office I'd turn them onside out. That person, annoying or not would have had a very solid case for constructive dismissal/workplace bullying just from the snippets shared.
Can we get back to talking about cocks and arsewiping now?
For a long time I would have 100% joined in with the songs at Brighton etc that @palarsehater refers to, I also would have argued that it wasn't homophobic as the intended targets were not actually gay, clearly it just normalises that sort of behaviour and looking back I Hate to think how it must have made some people feel, as there almost certainly would have been gay people in attendance, it's like calling a straight person a 'faggot' as an insult, it's probably not intended to be homophobic but it absolutely is.
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Precisely.Chizz said:
Who cares?ElfsborgAddick said:
Is Ambrose gay?palarsehater said:and also the holier than hou from a lot is bollocks as ill freely admit it have joined in with songs about darren ambrose and brighton - dont class myself as homophobic but some would for saying those things.
Your sexual preferences do not change who you are as a person.2 -
I can’t see why it should be......the game ‘at club level’ is no more homophobic than any other section of society.wmcf123 said:Football is horrendously homophonic - I genuinely think the vocal minority will give anyone that is brave enough to come out untold grief
The problem is more with the fans on the terrace and the media’s on going fascination with footballers lives and lifestyles.
Not forgetting the huge mileage the tabloids generate through their largely fanciful made up or overblown reporting methods.
I honestly don’t understand why you say that football is horrendously homophobic, I don’t entirely agree with that assertion.
It can be homophobic at times, of that I have no doubt, but not more or less than other professions.2 -
But Would ya though mate ?Carter said:I distinctly recall a conversation between me and one of my best pals when another good friend of ours called us to a summit to a pub in Gillingham to tell us what we had known for years, that he was gay. This would have been in about 2000 or 2001 at the latest.
Now before I write anymore I'm not trying to garner any thought that I am anything but a knuckle dragging caveman. I'm not a deep thinker but I am an honest conveyor of my thoughts.
When our pal went to the bog me and my other mate digested and spoke about what we had been told and agreed it was no big deal for us, that it would have been a big deal for him and it didnt bother us in the slightest. I also commented that in ten years there wouldn't be any gay/straight anymore just people shagging who they wanted, so that would have taken us to 2010 or 11. Our mate came back and we began the predictable playful puerile jokes and questions and piss taking, in the same tone that we had always talked and we are all still very close pals. As far as I'm concerned my friend X is not 'my gay mate' has just one of my chums who happens to prefer shagging men, which is absolutely gravy with me and a total afterthought now.
In the intervening years I have attended gay pride in Brighton, kind of by accident as I was seeing a gorgeous woman from Brighton qt the time and that was the weekend it happened to be mutually convenient for me to come and stay as opposed to the poor girl having to come and stop with me at mine again. I had a fantastic time, ticked every stereotypical box that a straight white male does when attending the single most flamboyant and extravagant event in the UK and not at any point was I thinking 'why do these people have to make such a song and dance about being gay', I was just swept along with the whole thing and had an amazing time. Not to say @palarsehater is wrong because he is pretty much saying what I thought would have already happened by 2010.
And if I'm being honest I genuinely believe we are past point Rubicon now in regards homosexuality in the UK, you will always get incidents, isolated incidents, like the one where 2 poor girls were beaten up for refusing to appease a bunch of neanderthals on a bus anymore than a third generation bloke of Pakistani heritage has any right to call a nation racist or bigoted because some doughnut has racially abused them in the past and seek solace in some Jihadi preacher. I don't think anyone can attempt to use that as an example of the UK being intolerant. Britain is one of the most tolerant places on earth and I guarantee when the first professional footballer does come out they will have the support of most 99.9% of their colleagues and opponents certainly ones indigenous to Great Britain and I genuinely believe most football crowds will be supportive too.
We've all realised singing songs about people loving it up the arse and holding hands have no place in society and at least @palarsehater has been ballsy enough to admit he's done it and laughed about it, so have I, and I could identify a lot of liars who say they haven't I'd I really wanted to. Its obviously unacceptable but more to the point, I didnt have the wherewithal and emotional intelligence to realise it was wrong at the time, I do now and have done for a long time. Key thing is not to do it again and to understand why it's wrong.
And in regards people being gay, straight, whatever in the workplace I firmly believe that is the business of as few or as many people as I choose to make it. I would absolutely put anyone who stalked my facebook account in their place and embarrass them, if a fucking team leader tried any of the bullshit mentioned earlier I'd be dealing with them, if I was keeping my business to myself and some prick on 20 pound a week more than me decided to try and discover my business for the purpose of nosey dickheads on the office I'd turn them onside out. That person, annoying or not would have had a very solid case for constructive dismissal/workplace bullying just from the snippets shared.
Can we get back to talking about cocks and arsewiping now?1 -
He wouldn't have let me, always used to smash me in arm wrestles and could probably bench press the pair of us!nth london addick said:
But Would ya though mate ?Carter said:I distinctly recall a conversation between me and one of my best pals when another good friend of ours called us to a summit to a pub in Gillingham to tell us what we had known for years, that he was gay. This would have been in about 2000 or 2001 at the latest.
Now before I write anymore I'm not trying to garner any thought that I am anything but a knuckle dragging caveman. I'm not a deep thinker but I am an honest conveyor of my thoughts.
When our pal went to the bog me and my other mate digested and spoke about what we had been told and agreed it was no big deal for us, that it would have been a big deal for him and it didnt bother us in the slightest. I also commented that in ten years there wouldn't be any gay/straight anymore just people shagging who they wanted, so that would have taken us to 2010 or 11. Our mate came back and we began the predictable playful puerile jokes and questions and piss taking, in the same tone that we had always talked and we are all still very close pals. As far as I'm concerned my friend X is not 'my gay mate' has just one of my chums who happens to prefer shagging men, which is absolutely gravy with me and a total afterthought now.
In the intervening years I have attended gay pride in Brighton, kind of by accident as I was seeing a gorgeous woman from Brighton qt the time and that was the weekend it happened to be mutually convenient for me to come and stay as opposed to the poor girl having to come and stop with me at mine again. I had a fantastic time, ticked every stereotypical box that a straight white male does when attending the single most flamboyant and extravagant event in the UK and not at any point was I thinking 'why do these people have to make such a song and dance about being gay', I was just swept along with the whole thing and had an amazing time. Not to say @palarsehater is wrong because he is pretty much saying what I thought would have already happened by 2010.
And if I'm being honest I genuinely believe we are past point Rubicon now in regards homosexuality in the UK, you will always get incidents, isolated incidents, like the one where 2 poor girls were beaten up for refusing to appease a bunch of neanderthals on a bus anymore than a third generation bloke of Pakistani heritage has any right to call a nation racist or bigoted because some doughnut has racially abused them in the past and seek solace in some Jihadi preacher. I don't think anyone can attempt to use that as an example of the UK being intolerant. Britain is one of the most tolerant places on earth and I guarantee when the first professional footballer does come out they will have the support of most 99.9% of their colleagues and opponents certainly ones indigenous to Great Britain and I genuinely believe most football crowds will be supportive too.
We've all realised singing songs about people loving it up the arse and holding hands have no place in society and at least @palarsehater has been ballsy enough to admit he's done it and laughed about it, so have I, and I could identify a lot of liars who say they haven't I'd I really wanted to. Its obviously unacceptable but more to the point, I didnt have the wherewithal and emotional intelligence to realise it was wrong at the time, I do now and have done for a long time. Key thing is not to do it again and to understand why it's wrong.
And in regards people being gay, straight, whatever in the workplace I firmly believe that is the business of as few or as many people as I choose to make it. I would absolutely put anyone who stalked my facebook account in their place and embarrass them, if a fucking team leader tried any of the bullshit mentioned earlier I'd be dealing with them, if I was keeping my business to myself and some prick on 20 pound a week more than me decided to try and discover my business for the purpose of nosey dickheads on the office I'd turn them onside out. That person, annoying or not would have had a very solid case for constructive dismissal/workplace bullying just from the snippets shared.
Can we get back to talking about cocks and arsewiping now?3 - Sponsored links:
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It's not brave. When I came out as an intersex on Charlton Life a few years back, I can honestly say I felt braver ordering a vegan sausage roll and soya coffee at Greggs.Todds_right_hook said:Brave step. Once he reveals his identity I’m hoping he will then be left alone to live his life and not become a media play thing.
I’m pretty sure that the majority of people will be accepting and supporting but I hope he is prepared for the reception he will get at the den!!!
Both gay footballer and I dont need anyone's authority or approval, although he'll probably get more free stuff from Nike than what I did.
I did get some abuse from a suspicious idiot from China, but he doesn't need much encouragement and I wouldn't have expected anything less.0 -
It's elfsborg isn't it.Carter said:
He wouldn't have let me, always used to smash me in arm wrestles and could probably bench press the pair of us!nth london addick said:
But Would ya though mate ?Carter said:I distinctly recall a conversation between me and one of my best pals when another good friend of ours called us to a summit to a pub in Gillingham to tell us what we had known for years, that he was gay. This would have been in about 2000 or 2001 at the latest.
Now before I write anymore I'm not trying to garner any thought that I am anything but a knuckle dragging caveman. I'm not a deep thinker but I am an honest conveyor of my thoughts.
When our pal went to the bog me and my other mate digested and spoke about what we had been told and agreed it was no big deal for us, that it would have been a big deal for him and it didnt bother us in the slightest. I also commented that in ten years there wouldn't be any gay/straight anymore just people shagging who they wanted, so that would have taken us to 2010 or 11. Our mate came back and we began the predictable playful puerile jokes and questions and piss taking, in the same tone that we had always talked and we are all still very close pals. As far as I'm concerned my friend X is not 'my gay mate' has just one of my chums who happens to prefer shagging men, which is absolutely gravy with me and a total afterthought now.
In the intervening years I have attended gay pride in Brighton, kind of by accident as I was seeing a gorgeous woman from Brighton qt the time and that was the weekend it happened to be mutually convenient for me to come and stay as opposed to the poor girl having to come and stop with me at mine again. I had a fantastic time, ticked every stereotypical box that a straight white male does when attending the single most flamboyant and extravagant event in the UK and not at any point was I thinking 'why do these people have to make such a song and dance about being gay', I was just swept along with the whole thing and had an amazing time. Not to say @palarsehater is wrong because he is pretty much saying what I thought would have already happened by 2010.
And if I'm being honest I genuinely believe we are past point Rubicon now in regards homosexuality in the UK, you will always get incidents, isolated incidents, like the one where 2 poor girls were beaten up for refusing to appease a bunch of neanderthals on a bus anymore than a third generation bloke of Pakistani heritage has any right to call a nation racist or bigoted because some doughnut has racially abused them in the past and seek solace in some Jihadi preacher. I don't think anyone can attempt to use that as an example of the UK being intolerant. Britain is one of the most tolerant places on earth and I guarantee when the first professional footballer does come out they will have the support of most 99.9% of their colleagues and opponents certainly ones indigenous to Great Britain and I genuinely believe most football crowds will be supportive too.
We've all realised singing songs about people loving it up the arse and holding hands have no place in society and at least @palarsehater has been ballsy enough to admit he's done it and laughed about it, so have I, and I could identify a lot of liars who say they haven't I'd I really wanted to. Its obviously unacceptable but more to the point, I didnt have the wherewithal and emotional intelligence to realise it was wrong at the time, I do now and have done for a long time. Key thing is not to do it again and to understand why it's wrong.
And in regards people being gay, straight, whatever in the workplace I firmly believe that is the business of as few or as many people as I choose to make it. I would absolutely put anyone who stalked my facebook account in their place and embarrass them, if a fucking team leader tried any of the bullshit mentioned earlier I'd be dealing with them, if I was keeping my business to myself and some prick on 20 pound a week more than me decided to try and discover my business for the purpose of nosey dickheads on the office I'd turn them onside out. That person, annoying or not would have had a very solid case for constructive dismissal/workplace bullying just from the snippets shared.
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Agreed. Looking at our players for example doing their pre season training, can you imagine them not giving a gay teammate 100% support? Would we as fans target a gay player whether for us or against us?SoundAsa£ said:
I can’t see why it should be......the game ‘at club level’ is no more homophobic than any other section of society.wmcf123 said:Football is horrendously homophonic - I genuinely think the vocal minority will give anyone that is brave enough to come out untold grief
The problem is more with the fans on the terrace and the media’s on going fascination with footballers lives.
Not forgetting the huge mileage the tabloids generate through their largely fanciful made up or overblown reporting methods.
I honestly don’t understand why you say that football is horrendously homophobic, I don’t entirely agree with that assertion.
It can be homophobic at times, of that I have no doubt, but not more or less than other professions.0 -
It's a numbers game?
In female sport because the gay % was higher it's never appeared to be a problem, in the last 20 years or so.
The England Olympic Hockey captain or the USA Football Captain: So many gay folk in female sport that the main issue is their right to be taken seriously as professional athletes just like their straight female colleges.
In the men's game where you may only have 1 player in a squad of 24 who is gay then there are hurdles to overcome for that individual in a macho world of banter in the insular bubble of team sport.
Interesting that a couple of CL members went straight for the money aspect of being the first openly young gay footballer at a high level ( championship)
So when it's happens whether now or in years to come I hope the gay player does donate to the appropriate causes because otherwise financial reasons will be suspected.
It's a numbers game.
Ps. I do know about Justin Fashanu, and this must've affected other gay players and why they hid their sexual orientation.
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Slightly off tangent, but has anyone been charged for the bus attack yet?thenewbie said:
It's 2019. People are still getting abused and assaulted for their sexuality. No high profile male football player has come out publicly while still playing in decades. So yeah it does need publicity and lots of it.Gravesend_Addick said:What a load of nonsense. If you're gay, you're gay. It's 2019 for crying out loud. All this cryptic stuff on Twitter is unnecessary.
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Of course what happened to Justin Fashanu affected other players, the poor man killed himself because of the open mockery and possible because his brother decided to disown him toosoapboxsam said:It's a numbers game?
In female sport because the gay % was higher it's never appeared to be a problem, in the last 20 years or so.
The England Olympic Hockey captain or the USA Football Captain: So many gay folk in female sport that the main issue is their right to be taken seriously as professional athletes just like their straight female colleges.
In the men's game where you may only have 1 player in a squad of 24 who is gay then there are hurdles to overcome for that individual in a macho world of banter in the insular bubble of team sport.
Interesting that a couple of CL members went straight for the money aspect of being the first openly young gay footballer at a high level ( championship)
So when it's happens whether now or in years to come I hope the gay player does donate to the appropriate causes because otherwise financial reasons will be suspected.
It's a numbers game.
Ps. I do know about Justin Fashanu, and this must've affected other gay players and why they hid their sexual orientation.
Statistically there will be dozens if not hundreds of gay professonal footballers, hopefully society and football have moved on enough for everyone to just shrug their shoulders and say whatever.
I couldn't care less if our next signing is gay. If he is also a creative midfielder who doesn't get injury lay offs of 9 months and sets up our forwards.
Also, I hope this person isn't treated as a special case, they deserve respect however I really hope they are judged on their footballing merits rather than being a openly gay trailblazer solely0 -
I’d be amazed if we didn’t have one in our club.
In fact I’d go far as to say I bet there is and more than one.
And I hope they know that the vast majority of us couldn’t care less.
Please let this not be a wind up.
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Carter said:
Of course what happened to Justin Fashanu affected other players, the poor man killed himself because of the open mockery and possible because his brother decided to disown him toosoapboxsam said:It's a numbers game?
In female sport because the gay % was higher it's never appeared to be a problem, in the last 20 years or so.
The England Olympic Hockey captain or the USA Football Captain: So many gay folk in female sport that the main issue is their right to be taken seriously as professional athletes just like their straight female colleges.
In the men's game where you may only have 1 player in a squad of 24 who is gay then there are hurdles to overcome for that individual in a macho world of banter in the insular bubble of team sport.
Interesting that a couple of CL members went straight for the money aspect of being the first openly young gay footballer at a high level ( championship)
So when it's happens whether now or in years to come I hope the gay player does donate to the appropriate causes because otherwise financial reasons will be suspected.
It's a numbers game.
Ps. I do know about Justin Fashanu, and this must've affected other gay players and why they hid their sexual orientation.
Statistically there will be dozens if not hundreds of gay professonal footballers, hopefully society and football have moved on enough for everyone to just shrug their shoulders and say whatever.
I couldn't care less if our next signing is gay. If he is also a creative midfielder who doesn't get injury lay offs of 9 months and sets up our forwards.
Also, I hope this person isn't treated as a special case, they deserve respect however I really hope they are judged on their footballing merits rather than being a openly gay trailblazer solely
There was more to his suicide than that. He was also accused of sexually assaulting a 17 year old boy and warrants had been issued for his arrest just before he killed himself.0 -
Fair and true point, whilst I'm absolutely not saying that the allegation of sexual assault against a 17 year old boy is acceptable the question remains would he have done that if he wasn't under such enormous mental strain by the british press, the football world and his own family.SantaClaus said:Carter said:
Of course what happened to Justin Fashanu affected other players, the poor man killed himself because of the open mockery and possible because his brother decided to disown him toosoapboxsam said:It's a numbers game?
In female sport because the gay % was higher it's never appeared to be a problem, in the last 20 years or so.
The England Olympic Hockey captain or the USA Football Captain: So many gay folk in female sport that the main issue is their right to be taken seriously as professional athletes just like their straight female colleges.
In the men's game where you may only have 1 player in a squad of 24 who is gay then there are hurdles to overcome for that individual in a macho world of banter in the insular bubble of team sport.
Interesting that a couple of CL members went straight for the money aspect of being the first openly young gay footballer at a high level ( championship)
So when it's happens whether now or in years to come I hope the gay player does donate to the appropriate causes because otherwise financial reasons will be suspected.
It's a numbers game.
Ps. I do know about Justin Fashanu, and this must've affected other gay players and why they hid their sexual orientation.
Statistically there will be dozens if not hundreds of gay professonal footballers, hopefully society and football have moved on enough for everyone to just shrug their shoulders and say whatever.
I couldn't care less if our next signing is gay. If he is also a creative midfielder who doesn't get injury lay offs of 9 months and sets up our forwards.
Also, I hope this person isn't treated as a special case, they deserve respect however I really hope they are judged on their footballing merits rather than being a openly gay trailblazer solely
There was more to his suicide than that. He was also accused of sexually assaulting a 17 year old boy and warrants had been issued for his arrest just before he killed himself.1 -
Five people, between the ages of 15 and 18 have been arrested and bailed, so far.Croydon said:
Slightly off tangent, but has anyone been charged for the bus attack yet?thenewbie said:
It's 2019. People are still getting abused and assaulted for their sexuality. No high profile male football player has come out publicly while still playing in decades. So yeah it does need publicity and lots of it.Gravesend_Addick said:What a load of nonsense. If you're gay, you're gay. It's 2019 for crying out loud. All this cryptic stuff on Twitter is unnecessary.
No need to turn your sexuality into a publicity stunt1
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