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  • Riviera
    Riviera Posts: 8,167
    Did anyone see Farbrace on The Debate last night? A great insight into this England team. You'd have thought he was still employed by the ECB! He made some very strange comments.
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,423
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    It feels like it is a definite Pakistan victory here. no point clutching at straws. England can win their next two games but they have to start finding their form. 
    the pitch is a bitch (excuse the terrible rhyme) .. get some cash on NZ
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,789
    killerandflash said:
    In a massive shock, Surrey actually win a game. Surprising that the Surrey thread hasn't been celebrating this rare piece of good news  ;)
    We don't like to boast how good we are.

  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,806
    Lincsaddick said:
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    It feels like it is a definite Pakistan victory here. no point clutching at straws. England can win their next two games but they have to start finding their form. 
    the pitch is a bitch (excuse the terrible rhyme) .. get some cash on NZ
    Shhhhh - I am saying it is a definite Pakistan win as I get things wrong so often in Cricket predictions. So I'm sticking with it :)
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,410
    Gravesend_Addick said:
    If Pakistan win this I think they'll finish 4th. I'm not saying Hales should've played.  What he did was stupid & England were right to drop him, but with Roy getting injured, it's a major factor in why we haven't performed in my opinion.

    Roy & Hales at the top of the order would've made a huge difference.  If they go out & score 50 off the first 5 overs, it sets the tone for the entire innings 
    I agree with all of this.  But I would be interested to know, assuming you don't want to weaken the bowling, which of Bairstow, Root or Buttler should have had to make way for him and who would bat at three. 
  • KBslittlesis
    KBslittlesis Posts: 8,695
    Well, everyday is a school day. 
    Didn’t know that if the umpires chose to review they aren’t permitted to use ultra edge. 
    Interesting. 
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,122
    Chizz said:
    Gravesend_Addick said:
    If Pakistan win this I think they'll finish 4th. I'm not saying Hales should've played.  What he did was stupid & England were right to drop him, but with Roy getting injured, it's a major factor in why we haven't performed in my opinion.

    Roy & Hales at the top of the order would've made a huge difference.  If they go out & score 50 off the first 5 overs, it sets the tone for the entire innings 
    I agree with all of this.  But I would be interested to know, assuming you don't want to weaken the bowling, which of Bairstow, Root or Buttler should have had to make way for him and who would bat at three. 
    What ? 
    Hales in place of Vince.
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,410
    KBslittlesis said:
    Well, everyday is a school day. 
    Didn’t know that if the umpires chose to review they aren’t permitted to use ultra edge. 
    Interesting. 
    It was the strangest bit of umpiring/checking/reviewing until Smithie explained that "rule". 

    But, with that rule in place, the umpire was effectively saying "I know he hit it" (because his review couldn't confirm or deny that bit) "...but I think it bounced after he hit it" (because he gave the soft signal not out).  So he was wrong on both counts! 
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,410
    Covered End said:
    Chizz said:
    Gravesend_Addick said:
    If Pakistan win this I think they'll finish 4th. I'm not saying Hales should've played.  What he did was stupid & England were right to drop him, but with Roy getting injured, it's a major factor in why we haven't performed in my opinion.

    Roy & Hales at the top of the order would've made a huge difference.  If they go out & score 50 off the first 5 overs, it sets the tone for the entire innings 
    I agree with all of this.  But I would be interested to know, assuming you don't want to weaken the bowling, which of Bairstow, Root or Buttler should have had to make way for him and who would bat at three. 
    What ? 
    Hales in place of Vince.
    I see.  So, Hales and Bairstow to open.  And no Roy? 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,174
    killerandflash said:
    If de Grandhomme somehow pulls New Zealand to a competitive score, I'm sure all the England fans will unite in saying

    "Thanks Colin"
    He goes for a crucial 63

    Thanks Colin

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  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,410
    killerandflash said:
    killerandflash said:
    If de Grandhomme somehow pulls New Zealand to a competitive score, I'm sure all the England fans will unite in saying

    "Thanks Colin"
    He goes for a crucial 63

    Thanks Colin
    Only the third time in World Cup matches that numbers six and seven have passed 60. 
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,122
    Chizz said:
    Covered End said:
    Chizz said:
    Gravesend_Addick said:
    If Pakistan win this I think they'll finish 4th. I'm not saying Hales should've played.  What he did was stupid & England were right to drop him, but with Roy getting injured, it's a major factor in why we haven't performed in my opinion.

    Roy & Hales at the top of the order would've made a huge difference.  If they go out & score 50 off the first 5 overs, it sets the tone for the entire innings 
    I agree with all of this.  But I would be interested to know, assuming you don't want to weaken the bowling, which of Bairstow, Root or Buttler should have had to make way for him and who would bat at three. 
    What ? 
    Hales in place of Vince.
    I see.  So, Hales and Bairstow to open.  And no Roy? 
    I understood him to be talking about yesterday, when Roy was out injured.
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,410
    Covered End said:
    Chizz said:
    Covered End said:
    Chizz said:
    Gravesend_Addick said:
    If Pakistan win this I think they'll finish 4th. I'm not saying Hales should've played.  What he did was stupid & England were right to drop him, but with Roy getting injured, it's a major factor in why we haven't performed in my opinion.

    Roy & Hales at the top of the order would've made a huge difference.  If they go out & score 50 off the first 5 overs, it sets the tone for the entire innings 
    I agree with all of this.  But I would be interested to know, assuming you don't want to weaken the bowling, which of Bairstow, Root or Buttler should have had to make way for him and who would bat at three. 
    What ? 
    Hales in place of Vince.
    I see.  So, Hales and Bairstow to open.  And no Roy? 
    I understood him to be talking about yesterday, when Roy was out injured.
    OK.  But @Gravesend_Addick said Roy and Hales should open.  So I wondered which batter he would leave out of the XI. 
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,410
    "A bit of glove, a bit of bat, a bit of helmet for Santner".  Does Smithie deliberately try to sound like Julian Clary while he's commentating? 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,174
    236-7

    Neesham 97no

    Game on
  • JohnBoyUK
    JohnBoyUK Posts: 9,077
    Thats a great effort by the Kiwis to get up to that score after being 4 & 5 down so cheaply.
  • Riviera
    Riviera Posts: 8,167
    JohnBoyUK said:
    Thats a great effort by the Kiwis to get up to that score after being 4 & 5 down so cheaply.
    Yes, let's hope our boys were watching and learning. 
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,806
    If Roy is playing and stays in, we score big and can beat anybody. 
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,410
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    If Roy is playing and stays in, we score big and can beat anybody. 
    Or Bairstow.  Or Root.  Or Morgan. Or Buttler.  Or Stokes...
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,806
    Yes true, but that start is important - put your boot on your opponent and then keep it them down.

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  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,789
    Chizz said:
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    If Roy is playing and stays in, we score big and can beat anybody. 
    Or Bairstow.  Or Root.  Or Morgan. Or Buttler.  Or Stokes...
    Roy getting the scoreboard ticking over quickly at the start paves the way for what comes next. 
  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,079
    Chizz said:
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    If Roy is playing and stays in, we score big and can beat anybody. 
    Or Bairstow.  Or Root.  Or Morgan. Or Buttler.  Or Stokes...
    How did that work out against Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Australia then?
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,423
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    Lincsaddick said:
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    It feels like it is a definite Pakistan victory here. no point clutching at straws. England can win their next two games but they have to start finding their form. 
    the pitch is a bitch (excuse the terrible rhyme) .. get some cash on NZ
    Shhhhh - I am saying it is a definite Pakistan win as I get things wrong so often in Cricket predictions. So I'm sticking with it :)
    you have the gift of prediction .. any idea about the eventual winners ? .. ((:>)
  • Gravesend_Addick
    Gravesend_Addick Posts: 7,324
    Chizz said:
    Gravesend_Addick said:
    If Pakistan win this I think they'll finish 4th. I'm not saying Hales should've played.  What he did was stupid & England were right to drop him, but with Roy getting injured, it's a major factor in why we haven't performed in my opinion.

    Roy & Hales at the top of the order would've made a huge difference.  If they go out & score 50 off the first 5 overs, it sets the tone for the entire innings 
    I agree with all of this.  But I would be interested to know, assuming you don't want to weaken the bowling, which of Bairstow, Root or Buttler should have had to make way for him and who would bat at three. 
    I was thinking more about Roy being injured, but to answer your question, without all the off field stuff & a fully fit team to choose from, I would definitely have Roy & Hales opening.  Somebody has to miss out &"that's a tough call.  I would probably drop a spinner & play Bairstow down the order.  Yes it weakens the bowling , but as I said, Hales &:Roy have the ability to get an innings off to a flyer & that sets us up for a huge total 
  • 1StevieG
    1StevieG Posts: 10,972
    Pakistan will probably overtake us by Sunday. Pressure on us to beat India now.
  • LawrieAbrahams
    LawrieAbrahams Posts: 3,780
    Pakistan play Afghanistan and Bangladesh. You have to think they'll win both of those. 
  • alan3_durrant
    alan3_durrant Posts: 23
    I wish somebody would tell Eoin Morgan, that when winning the Toss you can actually elect to bat 1st, put runs on the board and pressure on the side batting second. He has this stubborn fallacy that we can beat everyone and we can chase any target, well not Pakistan's 248 or Sri Lanka's 232 or Australias 285, just play a game on its merits. 
    We have never won a major ODI Trophie and i knew that with this Plan A only attitude, this would continue and that we couldn't possibly win every game chasing and thought that we would probably come unstuck in the semi or final, but i really didn't think that we would be this poor.
  • Riviera
    Riviera Posts: 8,167
    alan3_durrant said:
    I wish somebody would tell Eoin Morgan, that when winning the Toss you can actually elect to bat 1st, put runs on the board and pressure on the side batting second. He has this stubborn fallacy that we can beat everyone and we can chase any target, well not Pakistan's 248 or Sri Lanka's 232 or Australias 285, just play a game on its merits. 
    We have never won a major ODI Trophie and i knew that with this Plan A only attitude, this would continue and that we couldn't possibly win every game chasing and thought that we would probably come unstuck in the semi or final, but i really didn't think that we would be this poor.
    I agree that we should generally bat first, I pointed this out weeks ago but was lampooned. Scoreboard pressure works wonders. However no international captain would have batted first yesterday in those conditions. 
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,200
    LawrieAbrahams said:
    Pakistan play Afghanistan and Bangladesh. You have to think they'll win both of those. 
    You'd think so yes but.............it's Pakistan. You never quite know which Pakistan will turn up.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,174
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    LawrieAbrahams said:
    Pakistan play Afghanistan and Bangladesh. You have to think they'll win both of those. 
    You'd think so yes but.............it's Pakistan. You never quite know which Pakistan will turn up.
    Bangladesh could still be in with a chance of qualification too, and even if they're not you can't imagine them making it easy for Pakistan!

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