England Cricket Tours 2018-19 (and everything off the field during that period)

Chizz said:

Addickted2TheReds said:

Chizz said:

Addickted2TheReds said:

IMO, Chizz, you can't have your cake and eat it. 

If he gets runs then he plays in the Ashes. You can't drop someone who gets a big score. So "I have said I hope he does well.  I have also said I hope he's replaced before the Ashes." doesn't really work.

Because of that, I hope he doesn't get a big score in this match, which we will win anyway, because I believe that will hurt our chances in The Ashes, which is far more important than a dead rubber.

The Ireland game is inconsequential in my mind - it's not even 5 days ffs!

I didn't want Kevin Lisbie in the Charlton team.  But I cheered, like everyone else, when he scored a hat-trick against Liverpool.  That's not a million miles away from my current position, which is wanting a better player to be found and chosen than Jennings, but wanting Jennings to score a lot of runs while he's in the team.  I am sorry if you think that's "having cake and eating it".  I disagree, of course.  I think wanting England to win, but for one player to suffer misfortune, is closer.  

I don't think making a second-innnings big score in this Test makes him a certainty for the Ashes, two Tests from now.  A lot can happen between now and the Ashes.  I don't think runs in St Lucia in February guarantee selection for Birmingham in August.  If the selectors were that wedded to run records, then Root wouldn't even be considered for the Ashes.  And we already know he will be tossing the coin on 1 August.  

Wanting a player to do badly is ludicrous, in my view.  And, as far as wanting him to fall foul of bad luck, as has been suggested, is beyond the pale.  

Fair enough - I do respect the view point and can understand it. 

The difference with the Lisbie hat-trick is that it was vital to the outcome of the match. We would win this match if Jennings just said "I can't be bothered" and got on the next plane home.

To me, it seems more similar to a goalkeeper - you could never drop a goalkeeper who just kept a clean sheet. I can't see how Jennings could be dropped if he made a hundred. Is there a precedent for that, ever, in the history of the game? 

Using Root as an example doesn't really work - he's having a poor run of form, but we've seen consistently that he's good enough to be in the side so we wait for him to get back into nick. 

I do agree with the last sentence though - that is just spiteful because he's not done anything wrong other than not being very good at batting, so he doesn't deserve bad luck in a horrible sense. When Leuth said "I'd enjoy that" then that took it too far.

  

So, I hope he does well; I expect him to be replaced; and I would like the selectors to be given a headache, by Jennings making a big score.  

For the record, I wouldn't pick him for the next Test. 

LenGlover said:

Joe up to 30 now...

Leuth said:

It's very simple though. When England play India, Australia or South Africa then I am a massive England fan. When England plays Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe or Ireland, I probably want England to win to avoid embarrassment, but if the other team somehow wins, good luck to them. When England plays New Zealand, the West Indies or Pakistan* then I just want thrilling cricket, because England usually have good matches against those teams, and I usually like the players in those teams, and may the best team win. 

*On those horrible pitches in the UAE I really do want England to find a way to win though, that'd be nice

Karim_myBagheri said:

BBC report of the dismissal

"This is the weirdest dismissal I've seen in a while.

Keaton Jennings actually stands there and laughs as he realises what has happens. Alzarri Joseph has replaced Kemar Roach and fired his first delivery down the leg side. Jennings has come wandering out of his crease, trying to tickle a single away, and the ball has missed the bat, flicked his trousers, and trickled into the stumps. Off comes the bails, and Jennings has to go." 

Addickted2TheReds said:

Vaughan:

"Denly's movements have been fantastic today. He has got back when the ball has been short and got forward when it has been full."

Addickted2TheReds said:

Sir Alastair Cook

"I’ve been really impressed with Joe Denly. After a difficult debut on that tricky wicket in Antigua he’s shaped up really well and looks like a proper batsman.

He’s played some lovely shots and there is a touch of class about him."

blackpool72 said:

Addickted2TheReds said:

Sir Alastair Cook

"I’ve been really impressed with Joe Denly. After a difficult debut on that tricky wicket in Antigua he’s shaped up really well and looks like a proper batsman.

He’s played some lovely shots and there is a touch of class about him."

Now the flag button has been removed. 
I hope he signs for Surrey  😁😁

Leuth said:

Happy for Denly. But for a dropped dolly that'd be him done but he's making the most of his luck