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Charlton / L1 - January 2019 Transfer Rumours (ed, deadline day starts p98)

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  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,192
    ValleyGary said:

    Were there people actually convinced a permanent signing was coming in?

    Yes. Some people were happy Grant was going as we were getting two new strikers in and both would be great.

    "bird in hand" not just a pub name
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,126
    Not a chance RD funds a permanent deal unless it's a cheap six month one.
  • FishCostaFortune
    FishCostaFortune Posts: 10,773
    WhenIwasLittleBoy said:

    covered end junior said:

    Sky reporting Karlans medical is today and it's 1.5m with add ons.

    Was that read by Jim White.
    Hopefully he said Karlan will be gone in 72 hours, means he will definitely staying.
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,427
    Madness if we don't replace Grant - RD busy destroying his asset as usual. The guy is a twunt.
  • soapy_jones
    soapy_jones Posts: 21,345
    Got a feeling in my water that we will be a tad disappointed when Grant goes and we fail to get a suitable replacement. LB and SG have worked wonders early doors in this window, but I feel the "owner being a cunt" factor will put paid to us getting anyone decent in to directly replace KG.
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,343
    edited January 2019
    At least our price is now £43.5m from £45m ... Surely the Aussies can now complete.
  • Goonerhater
    Goonerhater Posts: 12,677
    "RD funds" -----no he dosn't and no he won't

    We run out of time but we were really close to signing a top player. Same as it ever was,same as it ever was
  • Exiled_Addick
    Exiled_Addick Posts: 17,167
    Callumcafc said:

    Not surprised. The idea that we were going to bring in two strikers was always pie in the sky.

    It’ll be a loan (Eisa?) or nothing. And Roland pockets the cash from the Grant sale.

    That’s right, put out a little nugget to the press hinting we’ll spend money to replace Karlan, and keep down dissension in the ranks. Once it’s all done and dusted, move the goal posts and just sign a loan. Can’t believe fans and press are still falling for Roland’s bullshit.

    Anyone who thinks we won’t come out of this deal weaker, is kidding themselves.
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    The Grant deal still may hit a snag. I can just see Huddersfield offering the £1.5m and the person negotiating for Charlton rejecting the offer because it’s too high.
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,427
    Exiled_Addick said:

    Callumcafc said:

    Not surprised. The idea that we were going to bring in two strikers was always pie in the sky.

    It’ll be a loan (Eisa?) or nothing. And Roland pockets the cash from the Grant sale.

    That’s right, put out a little nugget to the press hinting we’ll spend money to replace Karlan, and keep down dissension in the ranks. Once it’s all done and dusted, move the goal posts and just sign a loan. Can’t believe fans and press are still falling for Roland’s bullshit.

    Anyone who thinks we won’t come out of this deal weaker, is kidding themselves.
    RD is also destroying his own asset by his comical mismanagement. The guy is an utter fool.

    We might as well give our players away.
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  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,156
    MuttleyCAFC said:

    Garrymanilow said:

    MuttleyCAFC said:

    When I say a player is a misser, it doesn't mean he doesn't score goals. It means he misses a lot of chances. Now if he gets those chances that no other player would, then it is fine. That is the judgement you have to make. When you calculate how many points Grant has won us, you have to assume another striker may have scored some too. I am not trying to say that he hasn't been an important part of the team and our relative success this season. We are in League one we all must remember, and not guaranteed to get out of that! But whilst imporatnt, I can see how we could improve the team if Grant left and we got a better finisher in. We are a team that is a bit lacking in composed finishers relative to their positions, through the team.

    We will not get a better finisher in. Grant has 14 goals in 28 games. That's a goal every other game, which is a ratio any striker would kill for, regardless of age. Every striker at every level is a 'misser'. If any striker scored every time he had a chance he'd be the greatest player to ever live. Grant misses chances but so does every striker, this idea of Grant as someone who misses too many chances is insane.

    You know who else used to miss a lot of chances? Bradley Wright-Phillips. He was always determined to hit the target rather than trying to place his shots, so he hit the keeper a lot. He was never written off as a 'misser' though, we couldn't get enough of the fact we finally had a proper goalscorer after years of lacking one. How many goals did BWP have at this stage in our title winning season? 14. And he was also in the middle of his barren run and hadn't scored since 19th November, and wouldn't again until 25th February. He ended up with 22 goals, which if he carried on the way he had in the second half of this season I think Grant would have beaten, despite Grant playing in a weaker team than the one BWP was in. £2m for Grant is well below the market value - forced by his contract situation - and will go towards Roland's losses, and we will do incredibly well to get a decent striker in in January who is at the standard of Grant. It's a huge loss
    You see, I have a mental assessment of BWP as a scorer. He was just a confidence player which is different. When on form, he was a get two chances, score two goals sort of player which gave us an excellent springboard for most of our promotion season.
    But that's the point isn't it; you've made this assessment but the stats don't back it up. BWP missed hatfuls, absolutely hatfuls of chances. He got a hell of a lot of chances and converted a decent amount of them. He certainly wasn't a scorer between November and February. Two chances two goals? He scored more than one goal in only four matches in our league winning season, and he was definitely on form for much of that. His hattrick against Chesterfield was his first career hattrick; because he would always miss more chances than he scored. Grant has scored two goals in a game twice this half of the season. BWP was a good player and a good goalscorer at this level. So is Grant. The idea that one is a killer goalscorer and the other misses his chances just doens't follow on. I feel bad for Grant, he couldn't really have done more this season
  • DamoNorthStand
    DamoNorthStand Posts: 10,933
    I say this time and time again it seems, but why dont we do what other clubs do when we are signing one of their players.

    Get the replacement in, then Hudds can complete their deal.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,816
    DamoNorthStand said:

    I say this time and time again it seems, but why dont we do what other clubs do when we are signing one of their players.

    Get the replacement in, then Hudds can complete their deal.

    What makes you think Bowyer isn't trying to do this?

    In the summer we effectively got Taylor in to replace Magennis
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,659
    DamoNorthStand said:

    I say this time and time again it seems, but why dont we do what other clubs do when we are signing one of their players.

    Get the replacement in, then Hudds can complete their deal.

    Because we are owned by a clueless Shitweasel.
  • ross1
    ross1 Posts: 50,974
    Perhaps the media will get Grant's name right once he is a Huddersfield player :smiley:
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Roland will say to Bowyer that he has Taylor, Reeco, Igor or a youth player to choose from. He will also ask why an expensive loan goalkeeper isn't playing, oh and by the way there have been decent results without Aribo, so you won't be needing him, after all Williams wages won't pay themselves.
    Bowyer will say it is what it is.
  • moutuakilla
    moutuakilla Posts: 7,563
    DamoNorthStand said:

    I say this time and time again it seems, but why dont we do what other clubs do when we are signing one of their players.

    Get the replacement in, then Hudds can complete their deal.

    Because Roland doesn't want to spend money. He is a business genius and he is making money in league one. We have 17 year olds that can replace him
  • Fortune 82nd Minute
    Fortune 82nd Minute Posts: 8,333
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

    Exiled_Addick said:

    Callumcafc said:

    Not surprised. The idea that we were going to bring in two strikers was always pie in the sky.

    It’ll be a loan (Eisa?) or nothing. And Roland pockets the cash from the Grant sale.

    That’s right, put out a little nugget to the press hinting we’ll spend money to replace Karlan, and keep down dissension in the ranks. Once it’s all done and dusted, move the goal posts and just sign a loan. Can’t believe fans and press are still falling for Roland’s bullshit.

    Anyone who thinks we won’t come out of this deal weaker, is kidding themselves.
    RD is also destroying his own asset by his comical mismanagement. The guy is an utter fool.

    We might as well give our players away.
    We will at the end of the season.
  • Valley11
    Valley11 Posts: 11,981
    Really don't agree that Grant going is good business.....how long have some people supported this club!?
    The guy is settled and scoring goals. The chances of getting in an as good or better replacement are risky at best.
    Some people talking on here about being happy with the deal are probably the same people who said they were excited about Championship football when our Premier relegation was confirmed.
  • Ferryman
    Ferryman Posts: 2,921
    ForeverAddickted said:

    FIFA has Eisa as having 77-pace | Grant has 87-pace | Taylor has 82-pace

    Hope thats wrong then... Know there is more to being quick but it certainly helps these days

    Are you Driesen in disguise?!
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  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,345
    Valley11 said:

    Really don't agree that Grant going is good business.....how long have some people supported this club!?
    The guy is settled and scoring goals. The chances of getting in an as good or better replacement are risky at best.
    Some people talking on here about being happy with the deal are probably the same people who said they were excited about Championship football when our Premier relegation was confirmed.

    I am totally cheesed off about this deal .. but you get used to it after a while and accept that bigger (supposedly) more ambitious clubs will poach our best young talent. However, we still have a great shot at promotion whoever leaves or comes in

    Some 'fans' might spend time moaning and wailing, I know that Bowyer and the players won't, they'll just keep looking to win games and get as many points as possible
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    Garrymanilow said:

    MuttleyCAFC said:

    Garrymanilow said:

    MuttleyCAFC said:

    When I say a player is a misser, it doesn't mean he doesn't score goals. It means he misses a lot of chances. Now if he gets those chances that no other player would, then it is fine. That is the judgement you have to make. When you calculate how many points Grant has won us, you have to assume another striker may have scored some too. I am not trying to say that he hasn't been an important part of the team and our relative success this season. We are in League one we all must remember, and not guaranteed to get out of that! But whilst imporatnt, I can see how we could improve the team if Grant left and we got a better finisher in. We are a team that is a bit lacking in composed finishers relative to their positions, through the team.

    We will not get a better finisher in. Grant has 14 goals in 28 games. That's a goal every other game, which is a ratio any striker would kill for, regardless of age. Every striker at every level is a 'misser'. If any striker scored every time he had a chance he'd be the greatest player to ever live. Grant misses chances but so does every striker, this idea of Grant as someone who misses too many chances is insane.

    You know who else used to miss a lot of chances? Bradley Wright-Phillips. He was always determined to hit the target rather than trying to place his shots, so he hit the keeper a lot. He was never written off as a 'misser' though, we couldn't get enough of the fact we finally had a proper goalscorer after years of lacking one. How many goals did BWP have at this stage in our title winning season? 14. And he was also in the middle of his barren run and hadn't scored since 19th November, and wouldn't again until 25th February. He ended up with 22 goals, which if he carried on the way he had in the second half of this season I think Grant would have beaten, despite Grant playing in a weaker team than the one BWP was in. £2m for Grant is well below the market value - forced by his contract situation - and will go towards Roland's losses, and we will do incredibly well to get a decent striker in in January who is at the standard of Grant. It's a huge loss
    You see, I have a mental assessment of BWP as a scorer. He was just a confidence player which is different. When on form, he was a get two chances, score two goals sort of player which gave us an excellent springboard for most of our promotion season.
    But that's the point isn't it; you've made this assessment but the stats don't back it up. BWP missed hatfuls, absolutely hatfuls of chances. He got a hell of a lot of chances and converted a decent amount of them. He certainly wasn't a scorer between November and February. Two chances two goals? He scored more than one goal in only four matches in our league winning season, and he was definitely on form for much of that. His hattrick against Chesterfield was his first career hattrick; because he would always miss more chances than he scored. Grant has scored two goals in a game twice this half of the season. BWP was a good player and a good goalscorer at this level. So is Grant. The idea that one is a killer goalscorer and the other misses his chances just doens't follow on. I feel bad for Grant, he couldn't really have done more this season
    He lost form, but when he was on form he didn't miss chances. My point was that one is a natural goalscorer and one isn't. That isn't to ignore Grant's goals but I doubt he will get more than BWP over has career, or even close.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,734
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,734
    Valley11 said:

    Really don't agree that Grant going is good business.....how long have some people supported this club!?
    The guy is settled and scoring goals. The chances of getting in an as good or better replacement are risky at best.
    Some people talking on here about being happy with the deal are probably the same people who said they were excited about Championship football when our Premier relegation was confirmed.

    “At least we’ll win a few games”
  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,137
    WestStandNeil said:

    Great




    I'm no longer totally convinced that it will be a loan + a perm signing for #cafc. Time will tell on that one. If not, and Grant does go, it needs to be a quality replacement.
    The only surprise for me here is that Cawley fell for that notion in the first place. It's not as if he is new to Duchatelet's world.

  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,734
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,156
    MuttleyCAFC said:

    Garrymanilow said:

    MuttleyCAFC said:

    Garrymanilow said:

    MuttleyCAFC said:

    When I say a player is a misser, it doesn't mean he doesn't score goals. It means he misses a lot of chances. Now if he gets those chances that no other player would, then it is fine. That is the judgement you have to make. When you calculate how many points Grant has won us, you have to assume another striker may have scored some too. I am not trying to say that he hasn't been an important part of the team and our relative success this season. We are in League one we all must remember, and not guaranteed to get out of that! But whilst imporatnt, I can see how we could improve the team if Grant left and we got a better finisher in. We are a team that is a bit lacking in composed finishers relative to their positions, through the team.

    We will not get a better finisher in. Grant has 14 goals in 28 games. That's a goal every other game, which is a ratio any striker would kill for, regardless of age. Every striker at every level is a 'misser'. If any striker scored every time he had a chance he'd be the greatest player to ever live. Grant misses chances but so does every striker, this idea of Grant as someone who misses too many chances is insane.

    You know who else used to miss a lot of chances? Bradley Wright-Phillips. He was always determined to hit the target rather than trying to place his shots, so he hit the keeper a lot. He was never written off as a 'misser' though, we couldn't get enough of the fact we finally had a proper goalscorer after years of lacking one. How many goals did BWP have at this stage in our title winning season? 14. And he was also in the middle of his barren run and hadn't scored since 19th November, and wouldn't again until 25th February. He ended up with 22 goals, which if he carried on the way he had in the second half of this season I think Grant would have beaten, despite Grant playing in a weaker team than the one BWP was in. £2m for Grant is well below the market value - forced by his contract situation - and will go towards Roland's losses, and we will do incredibly well to get a decent striker in in January who is at the standard of Grant. It's a huge loss
    You see, I have a mental assessment of BWP as a scorer. He was just a confidence player which is different. When on form, he was a get two chances, score two goals sort of player which gave us an excellent springboard for most of our promotion season.
    But that's the point isn't it; you've made this assessment but the stats don't back it up. BWP missed hatfuls, absolutely hatfuls of chances. He got a hell of a lot of chances and converted a decent amount of them. He certainly wasn't a scorer between November and February. Two chances two goals? He scored more than one goal in only four matches in our league winning season, and he was definitely on form for much of that. His hattrick against Chesterfield was his first career hattrick; because he would always miss more chances than he scored. Grant has scored two goals in a game twice this half of the season. BWP was a good player and a good goalscorer at this level. So is Grant. The idea that one is a killer goalscorer and the other misses his chances just doens't follow on. I feel bad for Grant, he couldn't really have done more this season
    He lost form, but when he was on form he didn't miss chances. My point was that one is a natural goalscorer and one isn't. That isn't to ignore Grant's goals but I doubt he will get more than BWP over has career, or even close.
    He absolutely did miss chances. He was super profligate, he just got a lot of chances that season. In the Championship when the chances were much harder to come by he got one goal in 19 games, got dropped and got shipped back down to L1 where you get more chances, and he got 5 in 15. This image you have of BWP isn't quite right. Grant is evidently a natural goalscorer; he's 21 years old, he's had two half seasons where he's been a first choice striker and he's scored 9 in 15 in L2 and 14 in 28 in L1. How else can you possibly be a natural goalscorer other than scoring goals?
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,609
    edited January 2019
    Valley11 said:

    Really don't agree that Grant going is good business.....how long have some people supported this club!?
    The guy is settled and scoring goals. The chances of getting in an as good or better replacement are risky at best.
    Some people talking on here about being happy with the deal are probably the same people who said they were excited about Championship football when our Premier relegation was confirmed.

    It’s going to depend on who comes in as a replacement before we can decide on whether or not it’s good business. At this point we simply don’t know. Whoever it is will be different to Grant. They will be judged on their goals and we can decide whether or not £1.5 million plus add ons was worth it for a player out of contract in a few months and wanting to leave. Not a dig at Karlan. I don’t blame him one jot for trying to better himself.

    We will have to take into consideration that Karlan was our player and whoever comes in, the likelihood is that they will be someone else’s and we will need to return them. Grant will need replacing properly at some point.

  • orpingtonRED
    orpingtonRED Posts: 3,474
    Apparently huddersfield squad and manager are in portugal. Dont players meet managers anymore before signing?
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,651
    We will regret Grant going but it is what it is after all these years.

    We all knew someone would go in January to screw us over and here it is.

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