Charlton / L1 - January 2019 Transfer Rumours (ed, deadline day starts p98)
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After all, Grant is under contract.Henry Irving said:For all those slating Grant's loyalty remember the club could just have said "we're not selling you this window, you're too important".
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Supposedly any up front fee went back to Bordeaux to pay back debt they owed for defaulting on payments for one of their expensive flops.Oggy Red said:0 -
Is that really true? Not doubting it but I had read several times he was offered more to play for Sunderland? So pleased we have Taylor but it has baffled me all season why he would come to us rather than Sunderland if money was more up there? Location for hin I thought was the reason.Redhenry said:
Sunderland haven't got money. We outbid them for Taylorbromdog said:It's the same as Maja for Sunderland, and they aren't as hard up as us. It's expected and a decent fee, need to be realistic.
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I heard him telling a group of Sunderland fans, after the first match of the season, that it was because his lawyer spotted something odd in the contract. Not the location or the fee.BansteadAddick said:
Is that really true? Not doubting it but I had read several times he was offered more to play for Sunderland? So pleased we have Taylor but it has baffled me all season why he would come to us rather than Sunderland if money was more up there? Location for hin I thought was the reason.Redhenry said:
Sunderland haven't got money. We outbid them for Taylorbromdog said:It's the same as Maja for Sunderland, and they aren't as hard up as us. It's expected and a decent fee, need to be realistic.
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If he leaves now fans will moan at him for not seeing the season out.
If he stays and leaves in the summer fans will moan that he left on a free and so not giving anything back to the club moneywise E.G Poyet
The only way the fans would be happy would be if he signed a new contract, which if rumours are to be belived he was offered one it was taken back and offered again on less money so why would he sign
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There are two big assumptions in this popular comment. The first is that the club "stuck with" Grant despite his issues in Spain, on the grounds of doing the right thing by him. Do you have any evidence for that? I could believe Bowyer might have wanted to take that line, given his history at Leeds, but Duchatelet, the only person who matters? I believed at the time, and still do, that Duchatelet wanted to keep him on only because it was cost effective to do so. No need to bring in a 2nd striker, and secondarily, it satisfied his "look at me, bringing on academy youngsters" ego driven "philosophy".nth london addick said:I am fed up with the Twoshitchalets era as much as the next man/woman
However my view is if Karlan doesn’t have the integrity to see this season through as season where we have stuck behind his pre season issues that fortunately he has come through unscathed (we couldve turned ) we have supported him this season with nothing but praise and love for his hard work and goals , and it’s a club he has been with his whole career , on the verge of something special with bowyer , built a great partnership with taylor , could be in the same league as his suitors next season
Then thanks for the Effort thanks for the contribution to our season , I bid you fond farewell but see ya we are building inspite of Roland and we are building the Charlton way with players who want to be here and give everything for the cause
The second big assumption is that this move has been initiated by Grant. Not by Duchatelet; and that Grant refused a deal which involved a loan-back to the end of the season. On what grounds do you make that assumption?
Oh, and since we are chucking the word "integrity" around in the context of a 21 year old kid who clearly isn't the smartest, let's consider the third party, shall we? His agent. Football agents, and integrity. Good luck with that combination.
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There is no point moaning on about RD selling the gold and replacing with stainless steel
We Know that’s what he does the cunt has us for sale and until then it’s the way it is
What exactly is anyone going to do about it Fuck all that’s all
This is about karlan and his loyalty and if honest the confidence in his own ability Fire us up and out the league and take your pick or stay and play championship with us3 -
And me saying we stuck with him after the pre season issues
I mean the fans any club see everything through the glasses of money and I would expect every club to have acted the same
If Karlan doesn’t want to leave he won’t if he does he will it’s all down to Karlan2 - Sponsored links:
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If Karlan does go to Huddersfield and not make the grade ..... he'll find his way back to a League One club on loan.
Still playing Third Division football, but being paid Premier League wages.
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If we're playing Hudds next season, by definition it wouldn't have derailed our season.Croydon said:Parker left us mid season, and it derailed the rest of our season.
Will Grant be subject to the same abuse when we meet Hudds next season?6 -
I don't think he's a hype job, he has tekkers for a big bloke, 17 goals last season, 14 already so far this season.Redhenry said:
Imagine you are a centre back and you look who you are up against and it's Eaves and Taylor. You would know you are in for a rough afternoon. I think they would be deadly together. Makes us a bigger threat from set pieces, gives us another option to hold the ball up along with Taylor and we might finally have a player who can get his head on the end of some of our crosses. Big yes from me.
Realistically it will be no one though and Reeco will be expected to start0 -
Prefer another pacy forward than a lump like Eaves. Possibly need an Eaves type to come off bench if things not working but not as starter. Prefer say Coullibay who has been out for a year, and warming Partick's bench but is real quality.0
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Doucher gets his info second hand from "Uncle Dickie".JamesSeed said:
He won’t reveal his source, as his source would have asked him not to.ElfsborgAddick said:
I am still waiting for an answer from @DOUCHERPragueAddick said:Anyone who thinks Bow will get anything substantive from the proceeds of the Grant sale, (don't forget his "saved" wages are not all that much, since he didn't sign a new contract) has not being paying attention when I and people like @BiginBrasov and others who've been to Belgium have related what happened to Standard before he finally did the deal there.
This is about nothing more than trousering some wedge in the name of " look how I made money out of football when others could not". Nothing else matters to him. Anyone who thinks he gives a shit about the mess he has dumped Bow in, is deluding themselves in the face of all evidence.
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Does he have a nice benchharveys_gardener said:Prefer another pacy forward than a lump like Eaves. Possibly need an Eaves type to come off bench if things not working but not as starter. Prefer say Coullibay who has been out for a year, and warming Patrick's bench but is real quality.
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No. Peterborough and Walsall.ShootersHillGuru said:Can see Oztumer ending up at Sunderland rather than us. Reports suggest they are interested and would be able to offer more than us I suspect. I know he’s a local lad but hasn’t he mostly played his football oop north ?
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Doucher, I agree Bowyer will get all the money to reinvest. Roland pockets 2m, an ‘undisclosed fee’ then says to Bows ‘Sorry, I only got 200k but you can spend it all!’ If that’s what you mean!2
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Ok, understand that you were talking about us the fans, not the club.nth london addick said:And me saying we stuck with him after the pre season issues
I mean the fans any club see everything through the glasses of money and I would expect every club to have acted the same
If Karlan doesn’t want to leave he won’t if he does he will it’s all down to Karlan
But come on, you cannot pretend that agents are not driving this shit, not just Karlan but the whole mad transfer whirl.
Imagine if football were a proper business and stopped agents from leeching millions out of the game for essentially doing nothing more than driving the constant churn of players? How? Not that difficult, in principle.
"Agents" in their current form should be abolished. They should be replaced by two different types of advisers.
1. Agents, who are paid only by clubs, to identify and approach players on behalf of the club that pays their fees.
2. Separately "player care consultants" who are paid by players to look after the "soft' aspects of their lives, and who never, ever, get involved in the transfer business, and who are not allowed to be in any business link with an agent. Or his/her brother, son, mistress, toyboy, whatever.
In that scenario Karlan would have been approached by an agent he has probably never met before and whom he knows will just set out the case for moving, on behalf of Huddersfield, or whoever it is. In other words like an executive search consultant. What I do, in fact. I reckon the number of players saying "yes" to a move would be cut in half. And agents would have to be a lot more professional, and receive a lot less money, even if it will still be ten times what top professional headhunters earn. Everyone wins, except the sleazebags that have become millionaires in the process of destabilising the game.
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Love how he is referred to as the ex Cambridge striker, he played 3 games for them 3 years ago.Bubble said:4 -
Exclusive? Do they mean they are exclusively last with The story?Bubble said:6 -
But that is loaded in favour of the clubs.PragueAddick said:
Ok, understand that you were talking about us the fans, not the club.nth london addick said:And me saying we stuck with him after the pre season issues
I mean the fans any club see everything through the glasses of money and I would expect every club to have acted the same
If Karlan doesn’t want to leave he won’t if he does he will it’s all down to Karlan
But come on, you cannot pretend that agents are not driving this shit, not just Karlan but the whole mad transfer whirl.
Imagine if football were a proper business and stopped agents from leeching millions out of the game for essentially doing nothing more than driving the constant churn of players? How? Not that difficult, in principle.
"Agents" in their current form should be abolished. They should be replaced by two different types of advisers.
1. Agents, who are paid only by clubs, to identify and approach players on behalf of the club that pays their fees.
2. Separately "player care consultants" who are paid by players to look after the "soft' aspects of their lives, and who never, ever, get involved in the transfer business, and who are not allowed to be in any business link with an agent. Or his/her brother, son, mistress, toyboy, whatever.
In that scenario Karlan would have been approached by an agent he has probably never met before and whom he knows will just set out the case for moving, on behalf of Huddersfield, or whoever it is. In other words like an executive search consultant. What I do, in fact. I reckon the number of players saying "yes" to a move would be cut in half. And agents would have to be a lot more professional, and receive a lot less money, even if it will still be ten times what top professional headhunters earn. Everyone wins, except the sleazebags that have become millionaires in the process of destabilising the game.
So Grant, a 21 year old with no business background has to sit down and negotiate at deal on his own with the either the owner of Huddersfield or a new contract with Duchatelet.
Why shouldn't he have an agent?
We do when we buy and sell houses, carry out probate or buy a business but not a footballer making a £m decision.
This idea that agents are to blame for players moving clubs is nonsense. The club's buy, sell and discard players like property and then moan that the players have representatives.
Some are dodgy, some are good. A bit like recruitment consultants : - )10 -
He can’t leave on a free because of his age. Neither did Poyet.WestStandNeil said:If he leaves now fans will moan at him for not seeing the season out.
If he stays and leaves in the summer fans will moan that he left on a free and so not giving anything back to the club moneywise E.G Poyet
The only way the fans would be happy would be if he signed a new contract, which if rumours are to be belived he was offered one it was taken back and offered again on less money so why would he sign
He is in a no win situation.5 -
2mil is a good price if we get a loan in and 500-750k striker the rat can have his mil and we won’t be worse off3
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It's a hard life being a footballer, moving around from club to club every 12 months.Oggy Red said:If Karlan does go to Huddersfield and not make the grade ..... he'll find his way back to a League One club on loan.
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The fee will possibly be heavily loaded towards Huddersfield staying up.nth london addick said:2mil is a good price if we get a loan in and 500-750k striker the rat can have his mil and we won’t be worse off
I guess we'll not know how much we pay for any players coming in.1 -
If Huddersfield are going to pay £2M for Grant and make him one of their top earners then they are absolutely mental.DOUCHER said:I am told that bowyer will get all the money from the sale - if it happens - and ultimately it is bowyers call - he could say no but then you would have a player on your hands who has just lost out on over 3 times the wages he is currently being offered - the wages offered are at the top limit of the wage structure - the alternative is to bring in 2 strikers and i back gallen and bowyer to get this right when they bring in the replacements. If they can't get what they think is right with regards to replacements then i doubt they will let him go and may instead take the deal from rangers which involves him staying but only goes through in the summer if he isn't injured. Not all done and dusted yet
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Like we did with Parker?Henry Irving said:For all those slating Grant's loyalty remember the club could just have said "we're not selling you this window, you're too important".
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