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  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,458
    edited January 2019
    One of the strangest test matches I’ve ever seen.......in fact the strangest thinking about it.
    18 wickets fell yesterday and not one today.........so far that is.
    Can’t remember such an overwhelming thrashing, it’s quite bizarre, so much so that it goes into the scarcely believable locker......No rhyme or reason for it how so many things haven’t jelled.
    Everything they have done has gone right, everything we have done has gone wrong.....just wildly and inexplicably bizarre.
  • Karim_myBagheri
    Karim_myBagheri Posts: 12,678
    The_President said:

    Karim_myBagheri said:

    killerandflash said:

    Holder gets his ton. Rashid knocked out of the attack

    which means Anderson is now bowling again with a ball 76 odd overs old.
    Unbelievable Jeff.
    Is that right?
    he then took the new ball.

    stokes is now bowling his 22nd over. rashid has only bowled 9 overs. Ali 15 and even root himself has done 8 overs.
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    One of the problems England now have is that Tests 1 and 2 are back-to-back, and the second starts next Thursday in Antigua. If they over bowl Jimmy and/or Stokes for this game then they are going to be buggered for the 2nd. OK Broad will come back, but there will be the mental scars from this.

    One of the things that always happens with Englnad when this situation happens ie nothing happening in the pitch, they let the game meander, watching for a mistake rather than a Oz or Indian attitude of trying to blast a way through.But then again to do that you need the bowlers .
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,308
    Broad AND Leach need to come in. Rashid has to go alas, and I'd bring in Broad for Jennings
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,955
    Leuth said:

    Broad AND Leach need to come in. Rashid has to go alas, and I'd bring in Broad for Jennings

    What, bring back Chris Broad to open ?
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    Rashids match figures 0-116
  • Addickted2TheReds
    Addickted2TheReds Posts: 7,734
    Leuth said:

    Broad AND Leach need to come in. Rashid has to go alas, and I'd bring in Broad for Jennings

    We just got rolled for 77...
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,308
    Covered End said:

    Leuth said:

    Broad AND Leach need to come in. Rashid has to go alas, and I'd bring in Broad for Jennings

    What, bring back Chris Broad to open ?
    We need a shorter batting order, better bowling, and more responsibility on the batsmen.

    Burns
    Bairstow
    Root
    Stokes
    Buttler
    Foakes
    Ali
    Curran
    Broad
    Leach
    Anderson

    Balance. Maybe a slight lack of batting, but who the hell else is there?
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    One of the things that i have noticed being spoken about is Woakes to open the batting instead of Jennings. As mad as it might sound, it might not be a bad temporary call. He has a good technique, and certainly cant do any worse than Jennings.

    18 wickets yesterday, zero so far today.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,308
    Oh I quite like that, as mad ideas go!
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  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,308
    Broad would then come in for the stricken Curran.

    Leach for Rashid is probably the most essential change aside from Broad's inclusion
  • Karim_myBagheri
    Karim_myBagheri Posts: 12,678
    edited January 2019
    well its a shot to nothing. might as well stick Woakes in there.
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,659
    Rashid for Broad was a massive mistake.
    Who's idea was that
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,955
    blackpool72 said:

    Rashid for Broad was a massive mistake.
    Who's idea was that

    Definitely wasn't The _President :smile:
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    Can only assume that Root made the final call re Rashid.
  • Addickted2TheReds
    Addickted2TheReds Posts: 7,734
    Leuth said:

    Covered End said:

    Leuth said:

    Broad AND Leach need to come in. Rashid has to go alas, and I'd bring in Broad for Jennings

    What, bring back Chris Broad to open ?
    We need a shorter batting order, better bowling, and more responsibility on the batsmen.

    Burns
    Bairstow
    Root
    Stokes
    Buttler
    Foakes
    Ali
    Curran
    Broad
    Leach
    Anderson

    Balance. Maybe a slight lack of batting, but who the hell else is there?
    5 of those batsmen are in the wrong position!

    Stokes, Buttler and Foakes in particular are all way too high.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,308
    I really hope they don't revert to one spinner. That wasn't the error. Only three seamers was the error. Curran should bat at 8
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,816
    Stuart Broad now...

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  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,308
    edited January 2019
    Or, Curran should be dropped - this game has cruelly exposed his limitations and he might need a game off for his own good

    EDIT: there's no way they couldn't have picked Curran for the first game though, he's been so valuable
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    I get the feeling Curran might be in jeopardy for 2nd - his bowling, in these conditions, does look powder-puff.
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  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,308
    A doughty 70 in the second innings would spare Curran any worry of the axe
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,818
    The batsman will fail again and we will just change 3 bowlers.
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    MrOneLung said:

    The batsman will fail again and we will just change 3 bowlers.

    Good point.
    Shows you the options we have with the batters.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,816
    To me Curran is the 5th bowler in a 5 man attack, unless conditions are really helpful for his swing bowling. Useful variety, and in helpful conditions will take wickets, but at the moment not fast and hostile enough to be a big threat overseas.

  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    edited January 2019
    Root is in real danger of over bowling Stokes here.
    To me, just let this test go - we've clearly lost it, think about the next one,especially as its so close, and rest Stokes and Jimmy and let Ali and Rashid bowl the rest.Its not going to make any big impact on the result.
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,659
    Two spinners are great in plenty of countries.
    Not in the Windies
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    I'm assuming Holder is going to go for his 200 now and then declare.
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,659
    The_President said:

    I'm assuming Holder is going to go for his 200 now and then declare.

    Hopefully they will bat all day tomorrow.
    Then it rains
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,599
    The_President said:

    One of the things that i have noticed being spoken about is Woakes to open the batting instead of Jennings. As mad as it might sound, it might not be a bad temporary call. He has a good technique, and certainly cant do any worse than Jennings.

    18 wickets yesterday, zero so far today.

    I don't rate Jennings myself, but he was our top scorer yesterday.

    Just saying
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,816
    It's about rubbing it in, giving the openers 10-15 overs to survive, then go again with a new ball tomorrow.

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