Dutch man, 69, who 'identifies as 20 years younger' launches legal battle to change age
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I see where you're coming from but identity politics isn't being driven by lawyers.ForeverAddickted said:
The actual word your looking for here is Lawyers...Big_Bad_World said:
Because some folk are in a race to the bottom of the identitarian barrel.TelMc32 said:You don't put your date of birth on CVs anymore and people lie anyway. Who's to bloody know?? As for Tinder...he's not exactly going to be the first to lie about his age or make stuff up about himself on a social media site, is he??
How does this even get to a court case? Feckin' nutter!!!
The world went mental some time ago.0 -
You'd think people would be able to tell the difference between jokers like this and people whose lives literally depend on non-birth-sex gender identification5
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I'm a thin good looking man trapped in a fat ugly mans' body..... can i have industrial liposuction and facial reconstruction on the NHS please?1
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I wondered how long it'd be before the 'life threatening' argument would be rolled out.
It's a specious argument and one that is not backed up, nor does it decrease the suicide rate among this group, by any study in to suicide rates. They stay stable between 32% and 50%, depending on which part of the world, and age group, you analyse.4 -
Trans people: they're going to kill themselves anyway, why give them rights?Big_Bad_World said:I wondered how long it'd be before the 'life threatening' argument would be rolled out.
It's a specious argument and one that is not backed up, nor does it decrease the suicide rate among this group, by any study in to suicide rates. They stay stable between 32% and 50%, depending on which part of the world you analyse.2 -
Whatever happened to live and let live, eh?0
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Yeah, because that's what I said, right?Leuth said:
Trans people: they're going to kill themselves anyway, why give them rights?Big_Bad_World said:I wondered how long it'd be before the 'life threatening' argument would be rolled out.
It's a specious argument and one that is not backed up, nor does it decrease the suicide rate among this group, by any study in to suicide rates. They stay stable between 32% and 50%, depending on which part of the world you analyse.
Your stance on the matter doesn't help those you seek to argue for.
So long as you feel woke, though.8 -
Trans people do have rights but some of the changes in the law that are being demanded impinge on other people's rights (particularly women's). It's not a black and white issue and no amount of hyperbole is going to change that.Leuth said:
Trans people: they're going to kill themselves anyway, why give them rights?Big_Bad_World said:I wondered how long it'd be before the 'life threatening' argument would be rolled out.
It's a specious argument and one that is not backed up, nor does it decrease the suicide rate among this group, by any study in to suicide rates. They stay stable between 32% and 50%, depending on which part of the world you analyse.11 -
You always seem to go off tack when one of your arguments is shown up to be without factual or statistical backing.Leuth said:Whatever happened to live and let live, eh?
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BBW, why do you *constantly* accuse Leuth (mainly), myself (sometimes), SD (probably), and whoever else of wanting to parade the fact that they're so transtrender or whatever the fuck, or just generally trying to be hip and cool in their world view?Big_Bad_World said:
Yeah, because that's what I said, right?Leuth said:
Trans people: they're going to kill themselves anyway, why give them rights?Big_Bad_World said:I wondered how long it'd be before the 'life threatening' argument would be rolled out.
It's a specious argument and one that is not backed up, nor does it decrease the suicide rate among this group, by any study in to suicide rates. They stay stable between 32% and 50%, depending on which part of the world you analyse.
Your stance on the matter doesn't help those you seek to argue for.
So long as you feel woke, though.
Have you ever considered that, you know, we actually give a fuck?
Because we do.
I'm going to borrow some words that Leuth wrote, and are articulated far better than I probably could, from one of your own threads that you ran away from when I actually attempted to engage you in discourse. (This was regarding trans people on the "Feminism is the new masculinity..." thread.)
"Well, for a start, my trendy opinions aren't even that trendy. You may notice that the majority of this board is sympathetic to at least a moderate view if not one fully opposed to mine on a great number of issues. I'm not doing this to fit in or to appeal to an echo-chamber of trendy lefties. Would I be posting to CL at all if that was my goal? Woo, SD and Paddy liked my posts again! Go me! Nah, it's not done out of a concern for optics. I know I'm going to get dumped on when I take this position. I do it because it invariably involves standing up for people who are vulnerable. People with a statistically enormous chance of suicide and a history of suffering society's ostracism, hatred and misunderstanding. It genuinely sickens me to see anybody marginalised like this, told they're a threat to 'real' women when they're simply trying to live. And so I have to play my part each time, because I can't stand to see the accepted wisdom of bigots prosper."
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What?Big_Bad_World said:
You always seem to go off tack when one of your arguments is shown up to be without factual or statistical backing.Leuth said:Whatever happened to live and let live, eh?
I'm arguing that we should be able to distinguish between an obvious joke (this age-change stunt) and the needs of probably the single most vulnerable group in society. That doesn't require statistics, it requires a heart. Regardless of whether we have an actual investment in those suffering from gender dysphoria, the principles of personal liberty we all (or nearly all) subscribe to should make the protection of these people an important issue.
And yeah, rapists shouldn't be able to claim to be women just to get into a female jail. I mean that's pretty obvious. "How long have you been living as a woman?" "Uh a week?" "DENIED" - to think that women are at risk from a wave of abusive trans-acting men is reminiscent of the absurd gay panic from the early 20th century. Homosexuals are out to abuse YOUR SONS! Yeah it may have happened once or twice but that isn't enough to deprive the genuinely suffering of their rights.6 -
Gauntlet....well and truly....DOWN.PaddyP17 said:
BBW, why do you *constantly* accuse Leuth (mainly), myself (sometimes), SD (probably), and whoever else of wanting to parade the fact that they're so transtrender or whatever the fuck, or just generally trying to be hip and cool in their world view?Big_Bad_World said:
Yeah, because that's what I said, right?Leuth said:
Trans people: they're going to kill themselves anyway, why give them rights?Big_Bad_World said:I wondered how long it'd be before the 'life threatening' argument would be rolled out.
It's a specious argument and one that is not backed up, nor does it decrease the suicide rate among this group, by any study in to suicide rates. They stay stable between 32% and 50%, depending on which part of the world you analyse.
Your stance on the matter doesn't help those you seek to argue for.
So long as you feel woke, though.
Have you ever considered that, you know, we actually give a fuck?
Because we do.
I'm going to borrow some words that Leuth wrote, and are articulated far better than I probably could, from one of your own threads that you ran away from when I actually attempted to engage you in discourse. (This was regarding trans people on the "Feminism is the new masculinity..." thread.)
"Well, for a start, my trendy opinions aren't even that trendy. You may notice that the majority of this board is sympathetic to at least a moderate view if not one fully opposed to mine on a great number of issues. I'm not doing this to fit in or to appeal to an echo-chamber of trendy lefties. Would I be posting to CL at all if that was my goal? Woo, SD and Paddy liked my posts again! Go me! Nah, it's not done out of a concern for optics. I know I'm going to get dumped on when I take this position. I do it because it invariably involves standing up for people who are vulnerable. People with a statistically enormous chance of suicide and a history of suffering society's ostracism, hatred and misunderstanding. It genuinely sickens me to see anybody marginalised like this, told they're a threat to 'real' women when they're simply trying to live. And so I have to play my part each time, because I can't stand to see the accepted wisdom of bigots prosper."
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Now lets bring race into the mixSantaClaus said:
Trans people do have rights but some of the changes in the law that are being demanded impinge on other people's rights (particularly women's). It's not a black and white issue and no amount of hyperbole is going to change that.Leuth said:
Trans people: they're going to kill themselves anyway, why give them rights?Big_Bad_World said:I wondered how long it'd be before the 'life threatening' argument would be rolled out.
It's a specious argument and one that is not backed up, nor does it decrease the suicide rate among this group, by any study in to suicide rates. They stay stable between 32% and 50%, depending on which part of the world you analyse.
this thread has potential....
PS- just twisting things1 -
Oh hey, what he said. Wait, what I said1
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This thread is gold1
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It's nice to have Paddy on my team IN LIFE AS IN SPORT. Rainbow kit for next season, yeah?0
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Fun isn't it 😀.johnnybev1987 said:
Now lets bring race into the mixSantaClaus said:
Trans people do have rights but some of the changes in the law that are being demanded impinge on other people's rights (particularly women's). It's not a black and white issue and no amount of hyperbole is going to change that.Leuth said:
Trans people: they're going to kill themselves anyway, why give them rights?Big_Bad_World said:I wondered how long it'd be before the 'life threatening' argument would be rolled out.
It's a specious argument and one that is not backed up, nor does it decrease the suicide rate among this group, by any study in to suicide rates. They stay stable between 32% and 50%, depending on which part of the world you analyse. this thread has potential....
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'Things I never thought I'd read on a football forum'PaddyP17 said:
Yes. (Sort of.)Leuth said:It's nice to have Paddy on my team IN LIFE AS IN SPORT. Rainbow kit for next season, yeah?
I've purchased some rainbow-coloured headbands to keep my hair out of my face when bowling, so I'll lend you one too. They're magnificent.
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why not? Generalisation these days pfft....Croydon said:
'Things I never thought I'd read on a football forum'PaddyP17 said:
Yes. (Sort of.)Leuth said:It's nice to have Paddy on my team IN LIFE AS IN SPORT. Rainbow kit for next season, yeah?
I've purchased some rainbow-coloured headbands to keep my hair out of my face when bowling, so I'll lend you one too. They're magnificent.0 -
I swear we'll get more wickets thanks to enraged batsmen. Either that or we'll get hit for more sixes0
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So much diversion on here.
As for not caring, caring also includes recognising that current methods of 'giving a fuck' don't actually contribute to the goals we (edited so as not to be accused of not caring) seek.0 -
Superb, top quality trolling from the fella0
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If I may - why comment something as unhelpful - and diverting - as "So long as you feel woke, though", then?Big_Bad_World said:So much diversion on here.
As for not caring, caring also includes recognising that current methods of 'giving a fuck' don't actually contribute to the goals we (edited so as not to be accused of not caring) seek.
Why make it personal?1 -
I can see one pot on here desperately trying to self identify as a kettle.2
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Although the man is Dutch, he was a regular on television (even in Flanders) about 20 years ago . He's an attention seeking idiot ...5
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Fair question @PaddyP17 . If I see someone rallying for a cause but their desired methods aren't backed up by factual data/research then I, maybe wrongly, conclude that the person in question isn't rallying for the betterment of the situation. I see that as virtue signalling.PaddyP17 said:
If I may - why comment something as unhelpful - and diverting - as "So long as you feel woke, though", then?Big_Bad_World said:So much diversion on here.
As for not caring, caring also includes recognising that current methods of 'giving a fuck' don't actually contribute to the goals we (edited so as not to be accused of not caring) seek.
Why make it personal?
Look, I'm not without fault. I get that. This is a sensitive subject that I believe needs to be thoroughly researched before implementing anything that at best maintains the current norm.2 -
TelMc32 said:
You don't put your date of birth on CVs anymore and people lie anyway. Who's to bloody know?? As for Tinder...he's not exactly going to be the first to lie about his age or make stuff up about himself on a social media site, is he??
How does this even get to a court case? Feckin' nutter!!!0
