Southampton Student Union

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

BDL said:

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

BDL said:

My eldest son is in his second year at Southampton, says that the SOSU committee are all a bunch of cockwombles and he isn't surprised at the hole that has been dug.

My youngest son is studying history, albeit at a selective state school undertaking the national curriculum, and part of that course involved a trip to Ypres and Tynecot.

That trip must really bring it home to the kids.

I went on the trip with my eldest a few years back, it shook the all up, one lad in particular was in absolute bits when he saw someone with his surname on the wall, they could have only been a couple of years older than him.

The school laid a wreath at an un-named soldiers grave and, to a boy, they all stood and listened to the teacher as he gave his speech. I think they got it.

It always upsets me when you hear how young the lads were who went to fight in WW1. So many died and those who survived were haunted by what they saw - my grandfather could never really discuss it.

For kids to go there and see the scale of the slaughter brings it home in a way reading about it never could.

ForeverAddickted said:

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

BDL said:

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

BDL said:

My eldest son is in his second year at Southampton, says that the SOSU committee are all a bunch of cockwombles and he isn't surprised at the hole that has been dug.

My youngest son is studying history, albeit at a selective state school undertaking the national curriculum, and part of that course involved a trip to Ypres and Tynecot.

That trip must really bring it home to the kids.

I went on the trip with my eldest a few years back, it shook the all up, one lad in particular was in absolute bits when he saw someone with his surname on the wall, they could have only been a couple of years older than him.

The school laid a wreath at an un-named soldiers grave and, to a boy, they all stood and listened to the teacher as he gave his speech. I think they got it.

It always upsets me when you hear how young the lads were who went to fight in WW1. So many died and those who survived were haunted by what they saw - my grandfather could never really discuss it.

For kids to go there and see the scale of the slaughter brings it home in a way reading about it never could.

I think whats most shocking isnt just the age but the eagerness of some of them

Granted they wouldnt have known how long / costly the war was going to be but currently reading Lyn MacDonalds; 1914: the Days of Hope and you had trumpeters within the Royal Artillery who went as a Group and pleaded to the Colonel to let them go out to France - I dont know much about the artillery (which is bad because my Great-Grandad was part of it in WW1) but apparently they were a little bit looser with the rules and these lads were told they could go provided they got written permission from parents, one lad forged his Father's signature because he was out in India which meant there was the risk of missing out

Ultimately was just one big adventure to these kids who seemingly didnt care or take stock to think of the consequences of what might happen

I was only 10 when one Great-Grandad died so cant be too harsh on myself yet found out a little while ago that he was wounded, came home, returned to France after a break and saw out the War - Now I love history and love reading about the Great War / World War Two, and I know for a fact that my biggest regret to my dying day will be that I didnt sit down with him about his experiences as according to my Dad he was quite happy to talk about what happened to him

blackpool72 said:

ForeverAddickted said:

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

BDL said:

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

BDL said:

My eldest son is in his second year at Southampton, says that the SOSU committee are all a bunch of cockwombles and he isn't surprised at the hole that has been dug.

My youngest son is studying history, albeit at a selective state school undertaking the national curriculum, and part of that course involved a trip to Ypres and Tynecot.

That trip must really bring it home to the kids.

I went on the trip with my eldest a few years back, it shook the all up, one lad in particular was in absolute bits when he saw someone with his surname on the wall, they could have only been a couple of years older than him.

The school laid a wreath at an un-named soldiers grave and, to a boy, they all stood and listened to the teacher as he gave his speech. I think they got it.

It always upsets me when you hear how young the lads were who went to fight in WW1. So many died and those who survived were haunted by what they saw - my grandfather could never really discuss it.

For kids to go there and see the scale of the slaughter brings it home in a way reading about it never could.

I think whats most shocking isnt just the age but the eagerness of some of them

Granted they wouldnt have known how long / costly the war was going to be but currently reading Lyn MacDonalds; 1914: the Days of Hope and you had trumpeters within the Royal Artillery who went as a Group and pleaded to the Colonel to let them go out to France - I dont know much about the artillery (which is bad because my Great-Grandad was part of it in WW1) but apparently they were a little bit looser with the rules and these lads were told they could go provided they got written permission from parents, one lad forged his Father's signature because he was out in India which meant there was the risk of missing out

Ultimately was just one big adventure to these kids who seemingly didnt care or take stock to think of the consequences of what might happen

I was only 10 when one Great-Grandad died so cant be too harsh on myself yet found out a little while ago that he was wounded, came home, returned to France after a break and saw out the War - Now I love history and love reading about the Great War / World War Two, and I know for a fact that my biggest regret to my dying day will be that I didnt sit down with him about his experiences as according to my Dad he was quite happy to talk about what happened to him

Interesting that you mentioned Lyn MacDonald a very good mate of mine done a lot of research for her in the early 80s.
She sent him the names and addresses of 1st world one survivors and he went to their homes and interviewed them on tape.
She used their stories in her books.
He is a life long Charlton supporter as well.

SantaClaus said:

The overreaction to this stupid tweet is ridiculous. She's a stereotypical attention seeking student ffs. People need to get a sense of proportion.

Henry Irving said:

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

Henry Irving said:

addick05 said:

ForeverAddickted said:

Because I feel like biting a little bit... What I dont understand is the fact that surely these people whether they're from the Southampton / Cambridge Student Union had relatives who either fought or died in either WW1 or WW2

I know it shouldnt instantly make you a sympathiser to the Wars and if you have have issues with the whole Poppy of Rememberance etc. then fair enough - Yet for me I know I have family who both died and came back from both Wars and if I were to come out with that sort of comment then I would feel a measure if disrespect towards my ancestors

Unless of course these kids are failing to see the wider picture and arent aware of family who took part in the conflicts

Maybe if history was actually taught in schools today then this sort of crap from someone who is supposed to be earning a degree (and probably landing herself with about £40,000 of debt which she will probably never pay off) might not occur? Bet her lefty snowflake parents are really proud of her. Hopefully the majority of the people of this country aren't!

History is taught in schools FFS

The big argument is over what the school curriculum should cover but it surely has to cover WW1 and WW2 in some depth.

Any history teachers or parents on here who know what the secondary syllabus is likely to cover at present?

Yes, and it covers WW1 and WW2.

As I said above my son, 19, is at Uni reading history. He and everyone else in his state, non-selective schools studied history in primary and secondary school.

Big_Bad_World said:

Why has nobody heeded Keith Gammons warning of another shot of ultimate gammonness from across the bows?

The Organiser said:

McBobbin said:

This is more like it: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-45979234

Can't cover up history, better to address it I say

Ridiclulous.

The Organiser said:

This whole having/wanting to apologise for something that occurred generations ago and that yields no responsibility on the current people/institutions, let alone taking the decision to use funds to benefit a select race who are unrelated to that time, over the needs of other currently equally disadvantaged children.

Absolute cock custard and bloody offensive, in my opinion.

PaddyP17 said:

Having just got to this thread and just seen what she'd said, I have a sneaking suspicion that she didn't know it was a WWI mural.

This is the sort of slightly faux feminism I dislike - rushed and clamouring to be intersectional as much as possible, with little to no research. It seems a little disingenuous to tweet that into what would usually be an echo chamber.

Feminism is absolutely necessary and I'm definitely proud to be feminist, but bloody hell, it would be nice if people thought before they spoke and tweeted. It's like when people use false statistics to back up a point we know is true. To paraphrase a friend who put it far better than I could:

"{We need to] publish proper research and factually accurate reports of those studies [ed: in this case, into under-reporting of sexual assault]. Not doing so seriously undermines feminism as an academic enterprise, and as a movement which relies on these studies to justify its cause.

It essentially gives the world good reason to discredit what feminists say."

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And what we have after this tweet is somewhat justified outrage and oh it's all a mess and I hate it

DA9 said:

And, I’m thinking of starting a petition to remove any murals that depict the the struggle against apartheid in South Africa, that don’t include white peoples faces, as they played a part as well.

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

Missed It said:

Bloody twitter. I long for the good old days when you could talk as much bollocks as you liked with your mates and they'd just call you a twat and make you get the next round in. Now anybody's malformed halfwit opinion is there to be splattered all over the internet for the entire planet to marvel at.

Modern life is rubbish. (That's my idiot opinion for you all to enjoy anyway!)

Blur thought this in 1993...