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End of Steer and the Diamond?

Weegie Addick
Weegie Addick Posts: 16,534
in General Charlton
Diamond puts far too much pressure on the full backs - can't get it to work with Solly at LB and Dijksteel at RB, both out of position.

As for Steer, I'm totally underwhelmed. We want our Phillips back!
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  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,957
    Weegie Addick said:

    Diamond puts far too much pressure on the full backs - can't get it to work with Solly at LB and Dijksteel at RB, both out of position.

    As for Steer, I'm totally underwhelmed. We want our Phillips back!

    Need to play 3-5-2.

    Oh.

  • Weegie Addick
    Weegie Addick Posts: 16,534
    Think 442 is the only option with Page crocked and no cover.
  • iamdan
    iamdan Posts: 2,421
    Need to switch to 4-3-2-1
  • harveys_gardener
    harveys_gardener Posts: 7,038
    Weegie Addick said:

    Think 442 is the only option with Page crocked and no cover.

    Marshall. Lapslie.
  • JoshAddick
    JoshAddick Posts: 1,786
    Phillips
    Solly Sarr Pearce Djiksteel
    Reeves Cullen Aribo Fosu
    Grant Taylor
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,360
    JoshAddick said:

    Phillips
    Solly Sarr Pearce Djiksteel
    Reeves Cullen Aribo Fosu
    Grant Taylor

    This.
  • Redhenry
    Redhenry Posts: 5,359
    Need Bielik
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,335
    Bielik in front of the back 4 instead of Pratley would make this team formidable
  • 1StevieG
    1StevieG Posts: 10,964
    Pratley is a bit of a walking time bomb. Brought in to add a bit of steel in midfield but is guaranteed a booking every game.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,455
    In hindsight today Id have gone

    Steer
    Solly - Pearce - Sarr
    Lapslie - Aribo - Pratley - Cullen
    Fosu
    Grant - Taylor

    Solly has shown he can play as part of a three man defence so should have overloaded the midfield when Page went off

    Diamond isnt done for me... Just a bad day at the office in terms of that formation as it happens occasionally

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  • Laddick01
    Laddick01 Posts: 6,396
    I don't rate Steer but I think this is a case of a player becoming 'better' when he's on the bench. Both make more mistakes than a good League 1 keeper should.
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    Laddick01 said:

    I don't rate Steer but I think this is a case of a player becoming 'better' when he's on the bench. Both make more mistakes than a good League 1 keeper should.

    What mistakes has Phillips made.

    He was very harshly dropped
  • shirty5
    shirty5 Posts: 19,235
    Now the reason Bow put Steer in front of Phillips was his distribution. Now I always thought a goalkeeper was there to keep a ball out of the net, not to be next the Franz Beckenbauer!
  • Laddick01
    Laddick01 Posts: 6,396
    paulie8290 said:

    Laddick01 said:

    I don't rate Steer but I think this is a case of a player becoming 'better' when he's on the bench. Both make more mistakes than a good League 1 keeper should.

    What mistakes has Phillips made.

    He was very harshly dropped
    Without digging back through all the games the first goal at Sunderland stood out. Whilst not being a howler, it’s a shot a keeper should save at this level.
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,643
    Pratley will be banned for saturday & I think Bielik will not be fit. Major team selection problems - I think GK is the least of our worries. Get past saturday & then we have a week off (forget about paintpot trophy) & hopefully by the time we play Barnsley we will be in a better position.
  • shirty5
    shirty5 Posts: 19,235
    golfaddick said:

    Pratley will be banned for saturday & I think Bielik will not be fit. Major team selection problems - I think GK is the least of our worries. Get past saturday & then we have a week off (forget about paintpot trophy) & hopefully by the time we play Barnsley we will be in a better position.

    Possibly no Page this Saturday and a Taylor booking against Cov?
  • Bigbadbozman
    Bigbadbozman Posts: 1,775
    You are all looking into this tactical malarkey far too much just send a note to the skipper & spread out!
  • cs1986
    cs1986 Posts: 1,529
    Laddick01 said:

    paulie8290 said:

    Laddick01 said:

    I don't rate Steer but I think this is a case of a player becoming 'better' when he's on the bench. Both make more mistakes than a good League 1 keeper should.

    What mistakes has Phillips made.

    He was very harshly dropped
    Without digging back through all the games the first goal at Sunderland stood out. Whilst not being a howler, it’s a shot a keeper should save at this level.
    Agree here tbh. It's a shame we lack a good keeper at this level and some depth in the squad. Fcuk Roland
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,455
    Laddick01 said:

    paulie8290 said:

    Laddick01 said:

    I don't rate Steer but I think this is a case of a player becoming 'better' when he's on the bench. Both make more mistakes than a good League 1 keeper should.

    What mistakes has Phillips made.

    He was very harshly dropped
    Without digging back through all the games the first goal at Sunderland stood out. Whilst not being a howler, it’s a shot a keeper should save at this level.
    If you watch Match of the Day on a Saturday you could make the same argument for a lot of the goals that go in - not every keeper saves everything. Some of our fans just want to dig Phillips out.

    Hugo Lloris gifted a goal in the World Cup Final so I'm assuming he wouldn't be good enough for Charlton?

    Phillips looks to be a better shot stopper than Steer to me and seems more commanding. His distribution can be worked on but to me he seems well up to L1 standard.

    A good keeper limits his mistakes but Steer seems to be struggling.


  • raytreacy69
    raytreacy69 Posts: 955
    I would bring Marshall in at LB - although I don't think Bowyer rates him. Can't see the point of playing Solly there and Djiksteel at Rb .Looked at the goals briefly at not sure why Steer gets slated for last night

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  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,455
    raytreacy69 said:

    I would bring Marshall in at LB - although I don't think Bowyer rates him. Can't see the point of playing Solly there and Djiksteel at Rb .Looked at the goals briefly at not sure why Steer gets slated for last night

    Not sure what Steer is doing for the first goal and slow to get down for the fifth - to be fair the defence seems to have gone AWOL for most of the evening. Can't see the point of him playing if he's a loan player and no better than Phillips.
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,886
    edited October 2018
    raytreacy69 said:

    I would bring Marshall in at LB - although I don't think Bowyer rates him. Can't see the point of playing Solly there and Djiksteel at Rb .Looked at the goals briefly at not sure why Steer gets slated for last night

    It's not just the goals Ray which I grant you he was left exposed for most but his overall play. Not once can I remember him coming for a ball and when you have a mish mash in front of you they need to see their keeper stepping up to the plate coming for crosses and barking out orders. Sadly to say but he reminded me of s Subuteo keeper on a short stick. And he's no spring chicken, done a load of bench warming and not fancied by Villa.......hmm.:-(
  • Valley11
    Valley11 Posts: 12,001
    Phillips must be knocking on Bowyer’s door this morning. Not saying Steer is rubbish as we haven’t really seen enough of him. But 7 conceded in two games isn’t pretty. Last season Amos was digging out crucial saves, have we seen Steer make any impressive stops so far?
    Phillips deserves another go.
  • addick05
    addick05 Posts: 2,348
    1StevieG said:

    Pratley is a bit of a walking time bomb. Brought in to add a bit of steel in midfield but is guaranteed a booking every game.

    Bang on. Often gets beaten for pace and lunges in. Can see us playing with 10 men sooner rather than later.
  • CAFCBourne
    CAFCBourne Posts: 3,791
    Its our 1st defeat in 7 its time to regroup and see where we stand.

    Pretty much echoing what Bowyer said we need to look and go again.

    As for the keeper.

    1st goal maybe should have done better but then the same can be applied to Solly.
    2nd loops up out of reach not sure he can do a lot.
    3rd exposed not a lot he can do
    4th Penalty not a lot
    5th exposed

    I'm not sure he is entirely at fault for any goals, maybe we afford him a little time to bed in like Amos did last season.

    Although disappointed last night I think it was just one of those games and your run is gonna end sometime and when its does I'd rather it a 5-3 having a go than a 1 zip

  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,455
    CAFCBourne said:

    Its our 1st defeat in 7 its time to regroup and see where we stand.

    Pretty much echoing what Bowyer said we need to look and go again.

    As for the keeper.

    1st goal maybe should have done better but then the same can be applied to Solly.
    2nd loops up out of reach not sure he can do a lot.
    3rd exposed not a lot he can do
    4th Penalty not a lot
    5th exposed

    I'm not sure he is entirely at fault for any goals, maybe we afford him a little time to bed in like Amos did last season.

    Although disappointed last night I think it was just one of those games and your run is gonna end sometime and when its does I'd rather it a 5-3 having a go than a 1 zip

    Steer is not in the same league as Amos so why play him ahead of Phillips - all seems v strange to me. Either Bowyer has agreed to play Steer as part of the loan deal or Phillips has upset him.

    Steer has not impressed me and I don't understand why Phillips was dropped
  • MrLargo
    MrLargo Posts: 7,991
    First defeat since August. Not seen yesterday's game but sounds like we defended poorly. However, seems very premature to me to start suggesting that we need to change formation or make other significant alterations.

    We've got a ridiculously thin squad, you can't get around that fact, no matter how much you juggle the team.
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,455
    MrLargo said:

    First defeat since August. Not seen yesterday's game but sounds like we defended poorly. However, seems very premature to me to start suggesting that we need to change formation or make other significant alterations.

    We've got a ridiculously thin squad, you can't get around that fact, no matter how much you juggle the team.

    We're not great defensively - how much is down to formation and how much to the players I don't know.

    We may not have the best squad but Accrington are in 5th with a wage bill of about 50p.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,881
    MrLargo said:

    First defeat since August. Not seen yesterday's game but sounds like we defended poorly. However, seems very premature to me to start suggesting that we need to change formation or make other significant alterations.

    We've got a ridiculously thin squad, you can't get around that fact, no matter how much you juggle the team.

    As a whole the squad isn't thin now, but all the "spare players" are more attacking options. Defensively we lacked cover, but we're also slightly unlucky to have Bauer, Page and probably Bielik all out at the same time.

    Marshall at LB isn't brilliant, but probably the least worst alternative. Solly back at RB, Djiksteel into midfield as a shield?
  • CAFCBourne
    CAFCBourne Posts: 3,791
    edited October 2018
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

    CAFCBourne said:

    Its our 1st defeat in 7 its time to regroup and see where we stand.

    Pretty much echoing what Bowyer said we need to look and go again.

    As for the keeper.

    1st goal maybe should have done better but then the same can be applied to Solly.
    2nd loops up out of reach not sure he can do a lot.
    3rd exposed not a lot he can do
    4th Penalty not a lot
    5th exposed

    I'm not sure he is entirely at fault for any goals, maybe we afford him a little time to bed in like Amos did last season.

    Although disappointed last night I think it was just one of those games and your run is gonna end sometime and when its does I'd rather it a 5-3 having a go than a 1 zip

    Steer is not in the same league as Amos so why play him ahead of Phillips - all seems v strange to me. Either Bowyer has agreed to play Steer as part of the loan deal or Phillips has upset him.

    Steer has not impressed me and I don't understand why Phillips was dropped
    Or maybe he has hasn't agreed to Steer or Phillips hasn't upset him but he just prefers Steer based on what he sees daily.

    He isn't the first Charlton manager to choose another keeper

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