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CAFC staff threaten to sue Duchatelet over unpaid bonuses
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Murray is all about Murray and his gigantic ego, wondering about an empty boardroom dreaming of past glories.Hartleypete said:Murrey is the only board member who regularly attends, don't understand how he has got away with it so far.
He's almost as deluded as twoshits, I hope they both f**k off together9 -
For a start, the EFL can amend their Fit & Proper test to become a licence - to expire after a defined calendar term.paulie8290 said:EFL and Sports Minister saying there is nothing they can do???
On expiry, club owners must then re-apply, be re-examined and approved, before regaining the licence. Or declined.
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The fact is, he is right. English football clubs have the status of private businesses. The EFL currently regards itself as simply a trade association that represents its members - the clubs. As does the FAPL. The FA won't play the role of regulator because it does not control the money. It is scared, especially of the FAPL. Wholesale reform of the structure of English football is what is required. When he was Sport Minister, Clive Efford tried to get a bill through Parliament which would have started that reform. How many on here even remember that, let alone know what he was proposing?Hartleypete said:
Replace nothing they can do with, can't be arsed.paulie8290 said:EFL and Sports Minister saying there is nothing they can do???
In the short term, IMO the best route is media pressure to shame him, and crucially media coverage which is picked up in Belgium.
@redredrobin EFL give themselves 21 days to answer. We have had an acknowledgment that it has reached John Nagle. We are counting the days.
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Reports from Belgium inducate that all eligible staff were issued with special CAFC ATM cards but the cashpoint.had not.been.connected to the bank.7
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If it's not in my contract of employment, (which it isn't), there's little I can do about it.se9addick said:
But it would be a different situation presumably had you received the email saying you were getting your bonus and then it was pulled.Duncan270566 said:We have received a bonus here at TfL every year for the last 15 years providing we hit our Customer Services targets. It was only ever announced in an email but this year, that bonus has quietly been pulled with no announcement whatsoever. Even the unions didn't find out until after the date the bonus value should have been announced.
There's nothing the RMT etc can do as it has never been part of our contracts.
Don't get me wrong, I think what RD is doing is a disgrace and the staff at the club do have my utmost sympathies over the situation but as others have mentioned Tribunals etc, I just feel that unless they we hired with the bonus as part of their terms and conditions, I don't think they would win.0 -
Without seeing a paper trail (if any) it's impossible to be sure. But if they were set objectives and promised a bonus if the objectives were met, and the objectives have been met, I'd think they are likely to have a very good case.
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You might be a rich man, Roland, but as a human being you are fucking worthless35
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Unverified rumours? You believe them? Mightn't they effect any legal action?Henry Irving said:
I find that veryRedChaser said:
My source is very much ITK on this issue and our COO has not covered himself in glory in his dealings or lack of allegedly hence the need for legal action.AFKABartram said:
Someone mentioned to me that Foots Cray Rugby Club are extremely unhappy with how they have been impacted / treatedRedChaser said:
Slightly off topic and not sure if it has been mentioned before but it was alleged to me at the weekend that following the stop go works at the training ground and serious problems with Foots Cray Rugby Club's car park, writs had been served on the club in the absence of remedial works. So sounds like it's far from plain sailing for a certain individual at the moment.oohaahmortimer said:I reckon Roly has clearly asked for financial cuts to be made at any cost even if it does involve the staff themselves and for that you ask a crawly bum licker filthy pond life slime ball to carry out this filthy act, can anyone think of one .
hardeasy to believe
How irresponsible you are to keep this out in the open.
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I've always been of the opinion that I will let RM's time and commitment prior to him aligning with RD, not cloud my judgment about him as person for the whole time he's been involved with Charlton, but I think that's hanging on by a thread now.
It's really poor that he hasn't spoken up about this to RD.
If and when a takeover goes through, I hope he's nowhere near the new set up as either a director or figurehead or whatever. Be best for all concerned8 -
1. I didn't start a thread with a title stating it was a fact ie no question markiainment said:
Unverified rumours? You believe them? Mightn't they effect any legal action?Henry Irving said:
I find that veryRedChaser said:
My source is very much ITK on this issue and our COO has not covered himself in glory in his dealings or lack of allegedly hence the need for legal action.AFKABartram said:
Someone mentioned to me that Foots Cray Rugby Club are extremely unhappy with how they have been impacted / treatedRedChaser said:
Slightly off topic and not sure if it has been mentioned before but it was alleged to me at the weekend that following the stop go works at the training ground and serious problems with Foots Cray Rugby Club's car park, writs had been served on the club in the absence of remedial works. So sounds like it's far from plain sailing for a certain individual at the moment.oohaahmortimer said:I reckon Roly has clearly asked for financial cuts to be made at any cost even if it does involve the staff themselves and for that you ask a crawly bum licker filthy pond life slime ball to carry out this filthy act, can anyone think of one .
hardeasy to believe
How irresponsible you are to keep this out in the open.
2. The matter isn't about individual's personal finances, unlike yours
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When does his hotel open?
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Might be worth taking your own advice on point 3 given you were the one who brought it up unnecessarily in the first instance.Henry Irving said:
1. I didn't start a thread with a title stating it was a fact ie no question markiainment said:
Unverified rumours? You believe them? Mightn't they effect any legal action?Henry Irving said:
I find that veryRedChaser said:
My source is very much ITK on this issue and our COO has not covered himself in glory in his dealings or lack of allegedly hence the need for legal action.AFKABartram said:
Someone mentioned to me that Foots Cray Rugby Club are extremely unhappy with how they have been impacted / treatedRedChaser said:
Slightly off topic and not sure if it has been mentioned before but it was alleged to me at the weekend that following the stop go works at the training ground and serious problems with Foots Cray Rugby Club's car park, writs had been served on the club in the absence of remedial works. So sounds like it's far from plain sailing for a certain individual at the moment.oohaahmortimer said:I reckon Roly has clearly asked for financial cuts to be made at any cost even if it does involve the staff themselves and for that you ask a crawly bum licker filthy pond life slime ball to carry out this filthy act, can anyone think of one .
hardeasy to believe
How irresponsible you are to keep this out in the open.
2. The matter isn't about individual's personal finances, unlike yours
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Last stated that it will open in September, but a better estimate is end October/beginning NovemberNug said:When does his hotel open?
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If an employee can produce communication(s) from the club, their employer, which indicates that rewards will become due on the attainment of (a) defined target/s and demonstrate that said target was achieved, they have prima facie evidence of a contract.
Contracts require "consideration" from each party. Consideration often being money, or action, or goods.
In this case attainment of targets is clearly consideration, thus the employee delivers their side of the bargain. Ergo there is breach of contract when the employer reneges on the payment. The remedy is payment of the stipulated sum, in this case the bonus.
None of that has to be written into an employment contract.
Practically any grievance arising between employee and employer has to head to an Employment Tribunal for adjudication.
Employment law in UK presumes, quite reasonably, that employers hold far greater power in relationships with employees.
Sincerely aggrieved employees do not have to prove to ET's beyond any reasonable doubt that their employer's conduct has been unlawful or criminal, just that the employer has been prejudicial to what an employee could reasonably expect. Where an employee can show something as nebulous as a pattern of behaviour, or customary expectation, the employee can rely on the employer complying. If the employee has an email that implies, let alone states, that if target X is attained, you will receive a bonus of y%; the employer hasn't a leg to stand on.
Any such case will get no further than the door of the ET, before payment is made, because engaging legal representation to defend the contention at the ET will cost the employer far more than paying the due bonusses.
None of which, sadly, accounts for the scumsucking twunt factor uniquely brought by the loathsome roly.9 -
HMRC tax us on what we are ENTITLED to receive, not how much we actually receive.
If the bonus is contractual the staff are liable for tax on it regardless.
A discretionary bonus doesn't mean it's discretionary whether to pay it or not, that would be an ex gratia award. The discretion can only be around the amount. If the amount is fixed in advance as 10% of salary, it is not a discretionary bonus, it is a contractual performance related bonus.
A contractual term does not have to be in writing to be legally enforceable, just problematic in producing the evidence.7 - Sponsored links:
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It might be chilly by then. Will the boiler be connected?Big in Brasov said:
Last stated that it will open in September, but a better estimate is end October/beginning NovemberNug said:When does his hotel open?
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It’s the White Hart Lane of hotels...Big in Brasov said:
Last stated that it will open in September, but a better estimate is end October/beginning NovemberNug said:When does his hotel open?
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I can't do twitter from work can someone forward to Pennycook:paulie8290 said:Just reading tweets from local MP seems like the EFL wont do anything.
Contact CAFC's COO and Duchatelet directly, in your capacity as the concerned elected representative of your constituency, to request public clarification of the state of affairs around this allegation. The nature and gravity of the allegation being so severe that if it is false the offended parties would surely seek redress for the slights to their good character, wouldn't they?
To stand by is to be seen to appease exploitation, isn't it?
Better yet, come along to the game tonight, round up some journos for a photo opportunity and call out the COO to refute this serious allegation of malfeasance. That's a no lose event for you MP.20 -
Unless the contractors are on a bonus to complete by.... oh hang on.Big in Brasov said:
Last stated that it will open in September, but a better estimate is end October/beginning NovemberNug said:When does his hotel open?
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Hotel Stayen is on Booking.com. If you book a room it seems you can cancel 48 hours before and pay nothing. If enough of us do that, it'll hit him in the pocket and cost us nothing.
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Good idea. I wish I'd thought of that.IdleHans said:Hotel Stayen is on Booking.com. If you book a room it seems you can cancel 48 hours before and pay nothing. If enough of us do that, it'll hit him in the pocket and cost us nothing.
A 'good' breakfast is £11.7 -
Seems you can book a room for 30-days on there so if you keep repeating you should be able to stop anyone else ever bookingIdleHans said:Hotel Stayen is on Booking.com. If you book a room it seems you can cancel 48 hours before and pay nothing. If enough of us do that, it'll hit him in the pocket and cost us nothing.
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Not true I'm afraid.Dippenhall said:HMRC tax us on what we are ENTITLED to receive, not how much we actually receive.
If the bonus is contractual the staff are liable for tax on it regardless.
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The taxable event is the payment of remuneration, a question of fact, not a question of intention or entitlement.
Regular staff on PAYE (i.e. not sub-contractors or suppliers) have their tax & NI deductions calculated in each payment period, usually monthly, historically weekly. The NI due is utterly dependent on the funds paid this period, the tax arises on the total paid since the start of the tax year, less the tax deducted in previous periods (this tax year)
If you receive nothing, no tax or NI can be due.
Income Tax may be seen as onerous by some but its imputation is rigorously fair. The suggestion that employees could be taxed on funds they never receive is patently ridiculous - if the funds are never transferred from the employer there is no payment from which the deduction can be made.
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This bit is irrefutable and thus has roly and his collaborators banged to rights.Dippenhall said:
A discretionary bonus doesn't mean it's discretionary whether to pay it or not, that would be an ex gratia award. The discretion can only be around the amount. If the amount is fixed in advance as 10% of salary, it is not a discretionary bonus, it is a contractual performance related bonus.4
