CAFC staff threaten to sue Duchatelet over unpaid bonuses
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Vol au vents?Airman Brown said:
The club will have the lowest possible level of pension provision allowed by the law.bobmunro said:
Rick should be able to confirm but I very much doubt there is a Club controlled staff pension scheme. More likely a defined contribution scheme where contributions are paid into a third party provider's scheme.ForeverAddickted said:I dont understand fully how Green did it with BHS so could be writing a very idiotic comment
Yet is there a chance that Roland could go after Staff pensions to start paying the bills?4 -
Doesnt change the fact that Roland is a lady part yet changes everything else completely... How can there be ANYONE who defends this prick now, okay he sells players for profit (some might be able to accept that), yes he stops the WiFi | water | free breakfasts (not exactly third world problems) but now he has gone too far.PopIcon said:This article changes nothing.
We're talking about people's wages here, people will have done the extra time to achieve these bonuses to help pay Mortgages or Childcare (which will be vitaly important in their lives), or maybe they've done it so they can have a nice holiday away... Now they cant because of this tight prick, that something that is inexcusable and completely undefencable!!
As I asked above, puts him on a humanity peg just below Philip Green who stole people's pensions!!8 -
Whats a shame is the comments that the comms team have received on twitter for not walking out of the club or not getting on with announcing important news rather than the typical EFL adverts they're forced to run
Likes of them are no different to Solly or Jackson on the pitch by trying to keep the club running in the background!!5 -
Would love to know what Sea Parkes has to say about this. Her argument in supporting Duchatalet has always been 'he pays the bills and staff always get paid' seems that's now no longer the case.
Maybe I'll ask her.18 -
The blame will be pinned on us... Roland wouldnt have been forced to do this had we not protested!!cantersaddick said:Would love to know what Sea Parkes has to say about this. Her argument in supporting Duchatalet has always been 'he pays the bills and staff always get paid' seems that's now no longer the case.
Maybe I'll ask her.0 -
Perhaps Mr Parkes is one of those who is owed money. She may have a different view now.cantersaddick said:Would love to know what Sea Parkes has to say about this. Her argument in supporting Duchatalet has always been 'he pays the bills and staff always get paid' seems that's now no longer the case.
Maybe I'll ask her.1 -
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Minimum of £1000 donations mateJ BLOCK said:Ready to back CARD to the hilt in any move they make next
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Of that I have no doubt!Airman Brown said:
The club will have the lowest possible level of pension provision allowed by the law.bobmunro said:
Rick should be able to confirm but I very much doubt there is a Club controlled staff pension scheme. More likely a defined contribution scheme where contributions are paid into a third party provider's scheme.ForeverAddickted said:I dont understand fully how Green did it with BHS so could be writing a very idiotic comment
Yet is there a chance that Roland could go after Staff pensions to start paying the bills?0 -
Shame the 48-hours includes the Fans Forum as no doubt that bloke handling the takeover will be the one to make a Statement over thisJ BLOCK said:Ready to back CARD to the hilt in any move they make next
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Surely the EFL rules that distinguish between players and employees are a nonsense, and discriminatory?3
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I work for a company that cut everybody's bonus. It is shit, I can tell you and does wonders for staff morale. Unfortunately, the bonuses were non-contractual and the owner of our company just thinks how clever he is saving all that money and if we don't like it we can find another job. I work for a Roland Duchatalet-alike. He even had a scheme to buy a football club a few years ago. That club don't know how lucky they are that he didn't get his hands on them.
Needless to say, we're all still here but feeling fed up with the whole thing and contemplating alternative employment.
Unless the Charlton staff bonuses were agreed by contract I don't see that they have much recourse other than to moan about it, work to rule and show the old goat up in the press.0 -
According to Jimmy Stone on Twitter, this affects every member of staff at The Valley and some at Sparrows Lane. It was part of a formal appraisal process and the detail is set out in an email to all staff.Missed It said:I work for a company that cut everybody's bonus. It is shit, I can tell you and does wonders for staff morale. Unfortunately, the bonuses were non-contractual and the owner of our company just thinks how clever he is saving all that money and if we don't like it we can find another job. I work for a Roland Duchatalet-alike. He even had a scheme to buy a football club a few years ago. That club don't know how lucky they are that he didn't get his hands on them.
Needless to say, we're all still here but feeling fed up with the whole thing and contemplating alternative employment.
Unless the Charlton staff bonuses were agreed by contract I don't see that they have much recourse other than to moan about it, work to rule and show the old goat up in the press.0 -
Same as when Big Dave was getting a fair amount of stick for staying while he did. This people need to make a living and some love Charlton so want to stay for that reason.ForeverAddickted said:Whats a shame is the comments that the comms team have received on twitter for not walking out of the club or not getting on with announcing important news rather than the typical EFL adverts they're forced to run
Likes of them are no different to Solly or Jackson on the pitch by trying to keep the club running in the background!!4 -
Thats not exactly true, I could have left much sooner but didn't think it would make a jot of difference - seeing all those people (many I knew) on the pitch after the match against Burnley and the amount of anger I had over that botched season made me realise I had to make a stand and leave. I was paid but didn't rely on the money at all, it's much different for these guys, many I still consider as friends.JoshrewCAFC said:
Same as when Big Dave was getting a fair amount of stick for staying while he did. This people need to make a living and some love Charlton so want to stay for that reason.ForeverAddickted said:Whats a shame is the comments that the comms team have received on twitter for not walking out of the club or not getting on with announcing important news rather than the typical EFL adverts they're forced to run
Likes of them are no different to Solly or Jackson on the pitch by trying to keep the club running in the background!!
Duchatelet and his henchman have simply shown themselves as the incompetents they really are.
Richard Murray needs to have a long look in the mirror at himself. If he ever wants to salvage a bit of respect from Charlton fans he needs to stand up now and be counted.35 -
Shame that when you Google "Roland Duchbag" and "Charlton Athletic" its only the Daily Mail who have picked up on this
You'd hope that the likes of the BBC and other big media outlets would pick up on it0 -
But ultimately do they have a case legally?Airman Brown said:
According to Jimmy Stone on Twitter, this affects every member of staff at The Valley and some at Sparrows Lane. It was part of a formal appraisal process and the detail is set out in an email to all staff.Missed It said:I work for a company that cut everybody's bonus. It is shit, I can tell you and does wonders for staff morale. Unfortunately, the bonuses were non-contractual and the owner of our company just thinks how clever he is saving all that money and if we don't like it we can find another job. I work for a Roland Duchatalet-alike. He even had a scheme to buy a football club a few years ago. That club don't know how lucky they are that he didn't get his hands on them.
Needless to say, we're all still here but feeling fed up with the whole thing and contemplating alternative employment.
Unless the Charlton staff bonuses were agreed by contract I don't see that they have much recourse other than to moan about it, work to rule and show the old goat up in the press.0 -
Bonus schemes have been written into contract/ employment terms at every company I've worked for.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
But ultimately do they have a case legally?Airman Brown said:
According to Jimmy Stone on Twitter, this affects every member of staff at The Valley and some at Sparrows Lane. It was part of a formal appraisal process and the detail is set out in an email to all staff.Missed It said:I work for a company that cut everybody's bonus. It is shit, I can tell you and does wonders for staff morale. Unfortunately, the bonuses were non-contractual and the owner of our company just thinks how clever he is saving all that money and if we don't like it we can find another job. I work for a Roland Duchatalet-alike. He even had a scheme to buy a football club a few years ago. That club don't know how lucky they are that he didn't get his hands on them.
Needless to say, we're all still here but feeling fed up with the whole thing and contemplating alternative employment.
Unless the Charlton staff bonuses were agreed by contract I don't see that they have much recourse other than to moan about it, work to rule and show the old goat up in the press.0 -
He can say what he likes in an email. Sadly, that doesn't make it contractual.Airman Brown said:
According to Jimmy Stone on Twitter, this affects every member of staff at The Valley and some at Sparrows Lane. It was part of a formal appraisal process and the detail is set out in an email to all staff.Missed It said:I work for a company that cut everybody's bonus. It is shit, I can tell you and does wonders for staff morale. Unfortunately, the bonuses were non-contractual and the owner of our company just thinks how clever he is saving all that money and if we don't like it we can find another job. I work for a Roland Duchatalet-alike. He even had a scheme to buy a football club a few years ago. That club don't know how lucky they are that he didn't get his hands on them.
Needless to say, we're all still here but feeling fed up with the whole thing and contemplating alternative employment.
Unless the Charlton staff bonuses were agreed by contract I don't see that they have much recourse other than to moan about it, work to rule and show the old goat up in the press.
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Indeed. Most places I've worked have a weasel wording in the contract to give them a way out of paying bonuses if necessary.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
But ultimately do they have a case legally?Airman Brown said:
According to Jimmy Stone on Twitter, this affects every member of staff at The Valley and some at Sparrows Lane. It was part of a formal appraisal process and the detail is set out in an email to all staff.Missed It said:I work for a company that cut everybody's bonus. It is shit, I can tell you and does wonders for staff morale. Unfortunately, the bonuses were non-contractual and the owner of our company just thinks how clever he is saving all that money and if we don't like it we can find another job. I work for a Roland Duchatalet-alike. He even had a scheme to buy a football club a few years ago. That club don't know how lucky they are that he didn't get his hands on them.
Needless to say, we're all still here but feeling fed up with the whole thing and contemplating alternative employment.
Unless the Charlton staff bonuses were agreed by contract I don't see that they have much recourse other than to moan about it, work to rule and show the old goat up in the press.
I've also worked somewhere where they took out a big bank loan to pay bonuses for junior staff even though the company hadn't made a profit that year. The directors went without but understood the value of looking after their staff (until they made me redundant - but that's another story!)0 -
Modern day slavery, can’t we get this coming up along the bottom of sky sports?0
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Is that right? Something doesn’t have to be formalised into a contractual document to be binding provided the other elements of a contract are satisfied (consideration etc).Duncan270566 said:
He can say what he likes in an email. Sadly, that doesn't make it contractual.Airman Brown said:
According to Jimmy Stone on Twitter, this affects every member of staff at The Valley and some at Sparrows Lane. It was part of a formal appraisal process and the detail is set out in an email to all staff.Missed It said:I work for a company that cut everybody's bonus. It is shit, I can tell you and does wonders for staff morale. Unfortunately, the bonuses were non-contractual and the owner of our company just thinks how clever he is saving all that money and if we don't like it we can find another job. I work for a Roland Duchatalet-alike. He even had a scheme to buy a football club a few years ago. That club don't know how lucky they are that he didn't get his hands on them.
Needless to say, we're all still here but feeling fed up with the whole thing and contemplating alternative employment.
Unless the Charlton staff bonuses were agreed by contract I don't see that they have much recourse other than to moan about it, work to rule and show the old goat up in the press.
I guess it will depend what was written in these emails.0 -
We have received a bonus here at TfL every year for the last 15 years providing we hit our Customer Services targets. It was only ever announced in an email but this year, that bonus has quietly been pulled with no announcement whatsoever. Even the unions didn't find out until after the date the bonus value should have been announced.
There's nothing the RMT etc can do as it has never been part of our contracts.0 -
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A wonderful gesture sir!!se9addick said:
Good man.bobmunro said:In terms of any action the employees affected could take, it would entirely depend on whether or not the bonus was contractual. Most bonus schemes are not and many would carry wording such as 'This bonus scheme is non-contractual and may be amended or ended at the Company's sole discretion'.
If it was contractual then the employees could bring a claim at an employment tribunal for breach of contract and or unlawful deduction of wages - the former is the more likely. No fees are involved in bringing such action, it can be a group action or taken individually by employees, and if they lost they would almost certainly not be required to pay the respondent's legal expenses.
The employees do not have to be legally represented so can avoid racking up costs. I would need far more detail but if I believed they had a valid claim and therefore a reasonable chance of success then I would be prepared to personally represent the employees on a pro bono basis.
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That's how it works. Non-contractual bonuses are never promised or advised in advance, they're just paid (or not!)Duncan270566 said:We have received a bonus here at TfL every year for the last 15 years providing we hit our Customer Services targets. It was only ever announced in an email but this year, that bonus has quietly been pulled with no announcement whatsoever. Even the unions didn't find out until after the date the bonus value should have been announced.
There's nothing the RMT etc can do as it has never been part of our contracts.
If staff at Charlton have been told in advance that they're getting a bonus dependent on targets being met, then if those targets have been met, they might be on firmer ground to take action.0 -
But it would be a different situation presumably had you received the email saying you were getting your bonus and then it was pulled.Duncan270566 said:We have received a bonus here at TfL every year for the last 15 years providing we hit our Customer Services targets. It was only ever announced in an email but this year, that bonus has quietly been pulled with no announcement whatsoever. Even the unions didn't find out until after the date the bonus value should have been announced.
There's nothing the RMT etc can do as it has never been part of our contracts.1 -
For the last time.Henry Irving said:Well, this should make for an interesting fans forum meeting.
And yes Iainment, this is why it's important you get the details right.
I asked a question after hearing something. I wanted to know if anyone knew any details as the person who told me the 'headline' wouldn't say anymore.
That's all really.11 -
Perhaps she has changed her views altogether if her vol au vents were part of the cuts!Dansk_Red said:
Perhaps Mr Parkes is one of those who is owed money. She may have a different view now.cantersaddick said:Would love to know what Sea Parkes has to say about this. Her argument in supporting Duchatalet has always been 'he pays the bills and staff always get paid' seems that's now no longer the case.
Maybe I'll ask her.0
