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  • Greenie
    Greenie Posts: 9,172
    harveys_gardener said:

    ValleyGary said:

    thenewbie said:

    Regardless of the right and wrong of it she hasn't actually done anything illegal (and researched beforehand to make sure she hadn't/wouldn't). Whether or not it should now be MADE a crime is open to discussion.

    She has insisted, both during the protest itself and in Facebook posts yesterday, that “no laws were broken” by her actions, adding: “This is a right in Sweden.”

    According to DW, though, the Swedish authorities think differently. Police said passengers who refuse to obey a pilot's orders while on board a plane can face fines or up to six months in jail    .

    The point is that despite her requests, the pilot didn't come to speak to her let alone give her an order. Her only conversation was with a steward. As she said, the pilot could have ordered the deportee and minders off the plane and negated the 2hr delay but chose not to. Doubt he didn't get advice further up the food chain either.

    Disappointed in the CL response to this issue. Are we in support of HMG decision to send Afgan translators back to their homeland?
    Yep - be disappointed, if they have broken our laws and are not British citizens, fuck 'em.
  • harveys_gardener
    harveys_gardener Posts: 7,038
    edited July 2018
    Greenie said:

    harveys_gardener said:

    ValleyGary said:

    thenewbie said:

    Regardless of the right and wrong of it she hasn't actually done anything illegal (and researched beforehand to make sure she hadn't/wouldn't). Whether or not it should now be MADE a crime is open to discussion.

    She has insisted, both during the protest itself and in Facebook posts yesterday, that “no laws were broken” by her actions, adding: “This is a right in Sweden.”

    According to DW, though, the Swedish authorities think differently. Police said passengers who refuse to obey a pilot's orders while on board a plane can face fines or up to six months in jail    .

    The point is that despite her requests, the pilot didn't come to speak to her let alone give her an order. Her only conversation was with a steward. As she said, the pilot could have ordered the deportee and minders off the plane and negated the 2hr delay but chose not to. Doubt he didn't get advice further up the food chain either.

    Disappointed in the CL response to this issue. Are we in support of HMG decision to send Afgan translators back to their homeland?
    Yep - be disappointed, if they have broken our laws and are not British citizens, fuck 'em.
    Really? What laws? Assylum seekers are not criminals unless they commit some falsehood. But hey let's welcome Russian criminals (money launderers) who are not UK citizens.

    Have you any idea how many British soldiers' lives would have been saved by having the extra interface and intel with the locals? Fuck 'em? Well they would be truely fucked if sent back.
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,979
    Unless I'm completely missing something, this asylum seeker had their case heard and the Swedish government decided it was safe enough for him to return to Afghanistan. Whats the problem?
  • harveys_gardener
    harveys_gardener Posts: 7,038
    edited July 2018
    ValleyGary said:

    Unless I'm completely missing something, this asylum seeker had their case heard and the Swedish government decided it was safe enough for him to return to Afghanistan. Whats the problem?

    The country is run by religious nutters who murder with impunity. They hate the West If they come across a guy who preferred Sweden to his own medieval country, do you think he'd get community service?

    Elections are looming and the new Löfven immigration policy in one of the richest countries in the world is to reduce the influx from its current 27k. The Daily Mail would be orgasmic with that level of newcomers.
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,883
    edited July 2018
    harveys_gardener said:

    ValleyGary said:

    thenewbie said:

    Regardless of the right and wrong of it she hasn't actually done anything illegal (and researched beforehand to make sure she hadn't/wouldn't). Whether or not it should now be MADE a crime is open to discussion.

    She has insisted, both during the protest itself and in Facebook posts yesterday, that “no laws were broken” by her actions, adding: “This is a right in Sweden.”

    According to DW, though, the Swedish authorities think differently. Police said passengers who refuse to obey a pilot's orders while on board a plane can face fines or up to six months in jail    .

    The point is that despite her requests, the pilot didn't come to speak to her let alone give her an order. Her only conversation was with a steward. As she said, the pilot could have ordered the deportee and minders off the plane and negated the 2hr delay but chose not to. Doubt he didn't get advice further up the food chain either.

    Disappointed in the CL response to this issue. Are we in support of HMG decision to send Afgan translators back to their homeland?
    You can’t expect a reasonable response to that question without presenting the facts as to why he is being deported. What is known is that the Swedish authorities have reviewed the case and rejected asylum, there must be a reason behind why this decision was made. On the other side, a Swedish girl made noise on a plane saying this man will die!!As my original comment, not sure how to respond without knowing all of the facts
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,979
    edited July 2018
    harveys_gardener said:

    ValleyGary said:

    Unless I'm completely missing something, this asylum seeker had their case heard and the Swedish government decided it was safe enough for him to return to Afghanistan. Whats the problem?

    The country is run by religious nutters who murder with impunity. They hate the West If they come across a guy who preferred Sweden to his own medieval country, do you think he'd get community service?

    Elections are looming and the new Löfven immigration policy in one of the richest countries in the world is to reduce the influx from its current 27k. The Daily Mail would be orgasmic with that level of newcomers.
    We don't know the background of this man. Was only recently that an Uzbek asylum seeker was rejected for asylum in Sweden and he ended up killing people with a truck. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/14/world/europe/stockholm-attack-isis-rakhmat-akilov.html

  • A-R-T-H-U-R
    A-R-T-H-U-R Posts: 7,678
    Strictly speaking he was an ex-asylum seeker, a failed seeker of asylum.
    He did not, after a year of checking, meet the criteria for gaining asylum.
  • Greenie
    Greenie Posts: 9,172
    harveys_gardener said:

    Greenie said:

    harveys_gardener said:

    ValleyGary said:

    thenewbie said:

    Regardless of the right and wrong of it she hasn't actually done anything illegal (and researched beforehand to make sure she hadn't/wouldn't). Whether or not it should now be MADE a crime is open to discussion.

    She has insisted, both during the protest itself and in Facebook posts yesterday, that “no laws were broken” by her actions, adding: “This is a right in Sweden.”

    According to DW, though, the Swedish authorities think differently. Police said passengers who refuse to obey a pilot's orders while on board a plane can face fines or up to six months in jail    .

    The point is that despite her requests, the pilot didn't come to speak to her let alone give her an order. Her only conversation was with a steward. As she said, the pilot could have ordered the deportee and minders off the plane and negated the 2hr delay but chose not to. Doubt he didn't get advice further up the food chain either.

    Disappointed in the CL response to this issue. Are we in support of HMG decision to send Afgan translators back to their homeland?
    Yep - be disappointed, if they have broken our laws and are not British citizens, fuck 'em.
    Really? What laws? Assylum seekers are not criminals unless they commit some falsehood. But hey let's welcome Russian criminals (money launderers) who are not UK citizens.

    Have you any idea how many British soldiers' lives would have been saved by having the extra interface and intel with the locals? Fuck 'em? Well they would be truely fucked if sent back.
    Read what I wrote again, and instead of interpreting it so you can use it as a platform to go off on an agenda fuelled rant, try to understand it.
    Here it is again just for you "Yep - be disappointed, if they have broken our laws and are not British citizens, fuck 'em." There is a two letter word in that sentence and that two letter word is 'if'. Has it made a difference?

    Now your other point about intel with the locals, I am going to make an assumption here, and that is you have never been to Afghanistan as a member of the armed forces, if you have I apologise in advance, however my nephew was a Para and served for 7 years, he did a tour of Afghanistan, there are many thing he said about the place as did many of this colleagues who I know well, most I wont mention on here, because A, if I do I will be branded as a right wing bigot and B, I wont be believed.
    One of the less inflammatory things he said, is that its not worth saving, we should not have been deployed out there and let the bastards get on with it. So more of our soldiers would have been saved if us and the USA were not the unappointed worlds police.
    And having worked with a regiment of our armed forces pre and post deployment to Afghanistan, and hearing similar, then that is good enough for me.

    The stupid little girl in the video is utterly clueless and should be brought in front of the courts.
  • A-R-T-H-U-R
    A-R-T-H-U-R Posts: 7,678
    edited July 2018
    Well said Greenie.
    RIP the 458 unnecessary deaths of British Forces and countless thousands of civilians.
  • harveys_gardener
    harveys_gardener Posts: 7,038
    edited July 2018
    FFS.

    1. If he was a suspected terrorist he'd be in prison not a plane
    2. As previously stated the Swedish PM wants to reduce (halve) refugee numbers. Do you think the procedure is fair when the guy is likely to die? That is a fact. At least in UK there is an appeal process.
    3. The girl stood up and talked into her phone. Never raised her voice.
    4. Your nephew didn't feel safer due to having interpreters? Agree we shouldn't have been there.
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  • Greenie
    Greenie Posts: 9,172
    harveys_gardener said:

    FFS.

    1. If he was a suspected terrorist he'd be in prison not a plane. See my answer to 2.
    2. As previously stated the Swedish PM wants to reduce (halve) refugee numbers. Do you think the procedure is fair when the guy is likely to die? That is a fact. At least in UK there is an appeal process. Im with the Swedish PM, he's in charge of his country and has stated he wants to cut refugee numbers, it the law of their land and none of our bloody business.
    3. The girl stood up and talked into her phone. Never raised her voice.

    She held up and prevented a scheduled aircraft from departing thus costing the aircraft company thousands of Euros, and guess what, its none of her childish business.

    FFS, answers in bold.
  • A-R-T-H-U-R
    A-R-T-H-U-R Posts: 7,678
    There's 35 million people living in Afghsnistan.
    Birth Rate = 38 per thousand, Death Rate = 13.7.
    Why is it a "fact" he is likely to die?
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,315
    A-R-T-H-U-R said:

    There's 35 million people living in Afghsnistan.
    Birth Rate = 38 per thousand, Death Rate = 13.7.
    Why is it a "fact" he is likely to die?

    We don't know why he claimed asylum, but it's very probable that the Taliban want him dead. He probably taught some girls how to read and write or something
  • A-R-T-H-U-R
    A-R-T-H-U-R Posts: 7,678
    Leuth said:

    A-R-T-H-U-R said:

    There's 35 million people living in Afghsnistan.
    Birth Rate = 38 per thousand, Death Rate = 13.7.
    Why is it a "fact" he is likely to die?

    We don't know why he claimed asylum, but it's very probable that the Taliban want him dead. He probably taught some girls how to read and write or something
    That's not the conclusion reached by the Swedes after extensive investigations.
    But of course they probably didn't consult with CL's very own experts on his case.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,315
    My own feelings on the matter, tbf, are somewhere in the middle of all of this, although I'm inclined to say it's a good thing she stood up for someone who was obviously in distress
  • Big_Bad_World
    Big_Bad_World Posts: 5,859
    edited July 2018
    Leuth said:

    A-R-T-H-U-R said:

    There's 35 million people living in Afghsnistan.
    Birth Rate = 38 per thousand, Death Rate = 13.7.
    Why is it a "fact" he is likely to die?

    We don't know why he claimed asylum, but it's very probable that the Taliban want him dead. He probably taught some girls how to read and write or something
    The Swedish government know why he claimed asylum and have concluded that he's not at risk. It's very probable that they've done their homework on this to ensure that he isn't sent back in to a deathly situation.

    All that said, they cannot guarantee his complete safety just the same as you cannot guarantee that he won't do what the other rejected asylum applicant did.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,315
    Big_Bad_World said:

    Leuth said:

    A-R-T-H-U-R said:

    There's 35 million people living in Afghsnistan.
    Birth Rate = 38 per thousand, Death Rate = 13.7.
    Why is it a "fact" he is likely to die?

    We don't know why he claimed asylum, but it's very probable that the Taliban want him dead. He probably taught some girls how to read and write or something
    The Swedish government know why he claimed asylum and have concluded that he's not at risk. It's very probable that they've done their homework on this to ensure that he isn't sent back in to a deathly situation.

    All that said, they cannot guarantee his complete safety just the same as you cannot guarantee that he won't do what the other rejected asylum applicant did.
    That....seems fair, and I did not think I'd be saying this on this thread

    That said, as I was saying before, I think she acted because he was in despair, so the Swedish services clearly didn't do a very good job assuring him of his safety
  • A-R-T-H-U-R
    A-R-T-H-U-R Posts: 7,678
    Leuth said:

    My own feelings on the matter, tbf, are somewhere in the middle of all of this, although I'm inclined to say it's a good thing she stood up for someone who was obviously in distress

    So is that a back track from your statement that the Taliban, how did you state it, very probably want him dead? Based on what? Your in depth investigation into his case, or because you glanced at some media coverage of some Swede student type having a 'look at me, I'm so right-on' moment of fame?
  • Big_Bad_World
    Big_Bad_World Posts: 5,859
    Leuth said:

    Big_Bad_World said:

    Leuth said:

    A-R-T-H-U-R said:

    There's 35 million people living in Afghsnistan.
    Birth Rate = 38 per thousand, Death Rate = 13.7.
    Why is it a "fact" he is likely to die?

    We don't know why he claimed asylum, but it's very probable that the Taliban want him dead. He probably taught some girls how to read and write or something
    The Swedish government know why he claimed asylum and have concluded that he's not at risk. It's very probable that they've done their homework on this to ensure that he isn't sent back in to a deathly situation.

    All that said, they cannot guarantee his complete safety just the same as you cannot guarantee that he won't do what the other rejected asylum applicant did.
    That....seems fair, and I did not think I'd be saying this on this thread

    That said, as I was saying before, I think she acted because he was in despair, so the Swedish services clearly didn't do a very good job assuring him of his safety
    Only issue I have woth the above is that she didn't know he was in despair. She thought he was because of his outward actions and expressions, of which its not hard to put on.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,315
    So he was a good actor then? I thought the creative arts were frowned upon in Afghanistan ;)
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  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,979
    When did she see him in distress and despair?
  • Big_Bad_World
    Big_Bad_World Posts: 5,859
    Leuth said:

    So he was a good actor then? I thought the creative arts were frowned upon in Afghanistan ;)

    If you never had two pennies to rub together but suddenly came in to a few thousand pounds to hand over to a people smuggler, wouldn't you at least expect some training :wink:
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,315
    A-R-T-H-U-R said:

    Leuth said:

    My own feelings on the matter, tbf, are somewhere in the middle of all of this, although I'm inclined to say it's a good thing she stood up for someone who was obviously in distress

    So is that a back track from your statement that the Taliban, how did you state it, very probably want him dead? Based on what? Your in depth investigation into his case, or because you glanced at some media coverage of some Swede student type having a 'look at me, I'm so right-on' moment of fame?
    They want everybody dead tbf
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,315
    ValleyGary said:

    When did she see him in distress and despair?

    I assume she'd have had to find out something about him. You don't just see a random Middle Eastern bloke on a plane and start kicking off. At least I hope you don't
  • harveys_gardener
    harveys_gardener Posts: 7,038
    Can't believe how many fuckwits believe that an Afgan having fled to the West and being forcibly returned to his country won't find his life in danger from religious zealots.

    My last post on the subject. No wish to engage further with the morally bankrupt.
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,979
    harveys_gardener said:

    Can't believe how many fuckwits believe that an Afgan having fled to the West and being forcibly returned to his country won't find his life in danger from religious zealots.

    My last post on the subject. No wish to engage further with the morally bankrupt.

    ‘Fuckwits’

    Go for a lay down old man.
  • Greenie
    Greenie Posts: 9,172
    harveys_gardener said:

    Can't believe how many fuckwits believe that an Afgan having fled to the West and being forcibly returned to his country won't find his life in danger from religious zealots.

    My last post on the subject. No wish to engage further with the morally bankrupt.

    Well its good-fucking-bye from this morally bankrupt fuckwit.
  • Big_Bad_World
    Big_Bad_World Posts: 5,859
    harveys_gardener said:

    Can't believe how many fuckwits believe that an Afgan having fled to the West and being forcibly returned to his country won't find his life in danger from religious zealots.

    My last post on the subject. No wish to engage further with the morally bankrupt.

    Stay classy and morally superior.

    Must be a great feeling to always consider yourself right.
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,883
    Big_Bad_World said:

    Leuth said:

    A-R-T-H-U-R said:

    There's 35 million people living in Afghsnistan.
    Birth Rate = 38 per thousand, Death Rate = 13.7.
    Why is it a "fact" he is likely to die?

    We don't know why he claimed asylum, but it's very probable that the Taliban want him dead. He probably taught some girls how to read and write or something
    The Swedish government know why he claimed asylum and have concluded that he's not at risk. It's very probable that they've done their homework on this to ensure that he isn't sent back in to a deathly situation.

    All that said, they cannot guarantee his complete safety just the same as you cannot guarantee that he won't do what the other rejected asylum applicant did.
    I’m agreeing with a Millwall supporter! I feel dirty and am off to shower
  • A-R-T-H-U-R
    A-R-T-H-U-R Posts: 7,678
    harveys_gardener said:

    Can't believe how many fuckwits believe that an Afgan having fled to the West and being forcibly returned to his country won't find his life in danger from religious zealots.

    My last post on the subject. No wish to engage further with the morally bankrupt.

    Met a few, have you?
    Been there a bit have you?
    Had a milk shake in a Bamiyan milk bar maybe?
    Spent some time browsing in the Majid mall perhaps?

    Sometimes when you know nothing first hand about a subject, it's best not to call others fuckwits?

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