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England V Panama- 1PM Kick off

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  • CharltonMadrid
    CharltonMadrid Posts: 5,091
    Missed the game as was on a flight but was delighted to see the result. Kane a real candidate for Golden Boot now. Actually starting to believe it could be our year now...
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    Carter said:

    I don't know about anyone else but when have we ever had a world cup game as easy as that?

    Panama were a disgrace to themselves, not because they didn't make it 6 all but just the way they went about things having done the hard bit of qualifying

    For me you don't make changes for the Belgium game, you put a side out to beat them and win the group and worry about the next gane when it comes round.

    I said to my Mrs that if they put as much effort into playing the game, as they did fouling and cheating and moaning at the ref, they coulda made a game of it.

    I spose the flip side of that though is how well the England team handled it...
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    edited June 2018
    Callumcafc said:

    paulie8290 said:

    LawrieAbrahams said:

    Chris_from_Sidcup said:

    And they still missed.
    Dunno what happenes look like ref blew his whistle, if he did we got lucky.

    Rules state if all 10 outfield players are off the pitch celebrating they can take sent
    Not true.

    https://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/fifa-rules-debunk-theory-kieran-trippier-not-joining-celebrations-kanes-winner-164477
    Think the players know better,
    Trippier refused to celebrate.

    Earlier in the World Cup when Ronaldo scored his free kick to make it 3-3 all portugual player ran off pitch and just before Fonte crossed the line Pepe stopped him and u saw him point out the lines.

    Add to that Panama players tried to play on, not sure if its a rule just for the World Cup but think it may be a actual new rule(players seem to think so anyway)
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,303
    edited June 2018
    Wasnt there an incident in the Championship a few years ago where a team scored a goal and then ran back up the pitch to celebrate in front of their own fans

    Of course because it meant all the players were in their own half it meant the opposition were allowed to kick off and instantly scored themselves because of that reason.

    Different case to what the link meant yet shows what the rules allow and what dont
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    edited June 2018
    Just looked online and apparently play was stopped because Panama passed forward from sent not backwards,all England players were off pitch and if they passed it backwards they could have played on
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    edited June 2018
    paulie8290 said:

    Callumcafc said:

    paulie8290 said:

    LawrieAbrahams said:

    Chris_from_Sidcup said:

    And they still missed.
    Dunno what happenes look like ref blew his whistle, if he did we got lucky.

    Rules state if all 10 outfield players are off the pitch celebrating they can take sent
    Not true.

    https://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/fifa-rules-debunk-theory-kieran-trippier-not-joining-celebrations-kanes-winner-164477
    Think the players know better,
    Trippier refused to celebrate.

    Earlier in the World Cup when Ronaldo scored his free kick to make it 3-3 all portugual player ran off pitch and just before Fonte crossed the line Pepe stopped him and u saw him point out the lines.

    Add to that Panama players tried to play on, not sure if its a rule just for the World Cup but think it may be a actual new rule(players seem to think so anyway)
    Whether it's the rules or not, if you're sportsmen you wait for the opposition to come back on the field of play. It like selling a house tapping out the 2nd batsman as he starts his run in the cricket - in the rules but just a wanky thing to do imo
  • Manicmania
    Manicmania Posts: 1,594
    Think i'll wait for our resident ref @PeterGage thoughts on this one.
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    Manicmania said:

    Think i'll wait for our resident ref @PeterGage thoughts on this one.

    Happy to be corrected but with Trippier and Pepe both stopping themselves or another player leaving the field to celebrate and Panama trying to score today they seem to think there is a rule
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,842
    No way would a referee allow a team to kick off while a team was still celebrating, every team celebrates a WC goal together
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    This is the Pepe and Fonte clip

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  • Manicmania
    Manicmania Posts: 1,594
    edited June 2018
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjVAZskU4Tw

    skip to around 25-30 seconds into this video for a description of the law around kick off - all players have to be in the other half of the pitch. Law 8.
  • DRAddick
    DRAddick Posts: 3,588
    Someone makes up bollocks on Internet and others believe it without question shock!
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    DRAddick said:

    Someone makes up bollocks on Internet and others believe it without question shock!

    As stated before
    Pepe
    Trippier and Panama all think its a rule so maybe there is 1
  • Bournemouth Addick
    Bournemouth Addick Posts: 16,283
    edited June 2018
    paulie8290 said:

    Just looked online and apparently play was stopped because Panama passed forward from sent not backwards,all England players were off pitch and if they passed it backwards they could have played on

    Can't you pass in any direction now? Or am I missing something?
  • Manicmania
    Manicmania Posts: 1,594
    edited June 2018
    Bournemouth Addick said:

    paulie8290 said:

    Just looked online and apparently play was stopped because Panama passed forward from sent not backwards,all England players were off pitch and if they passed it backwards they could have played on

    Can't you pass in any direction now?
    Yeah that's law 8 again - a goal can be scored directly from kick off - example;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XCBq8W-OsI
  • rina
    rina Posts: 2,334
    Callumcafc said:

    paulie8290 said:

    LawrieAbrahams said:

    Chris_from_Sidcup said:

    And they still missed.
    Dunno what happenes look like ref blew his whistle, if he did we got lucky.

    Rules state if all 10 outfield players are off the pitch celebrating they can take sent
    Not true.

    https://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/fifa-rules-debunk-theory-kieran-trippier-not-joining-celebrations-kanes-winner-164477
    I don't know what's correct but that's not a great source as the rules quoted in that piece are clearly wrong/out of date

    'all players must be in their own half of the field of play'. not true, the player taking the kick doesn't

    'the ball is in play when it is kicked and moves forward'. the ball hasn't had to be played forward for a while now
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    If a goal is ever allowed when a team scores it while the other team is celebrating, I will never watch a football game again.
  • Manicmania
    Manicmania Posts: 1,594
    rina said:

    Callumcafc said:

    paulie8290 said:

    LawrieAbrahams said:

    Chris_from_Sidcup said:

    And they still missed.
    Dunno what happenes look like ref blew his whistle, if he did we got lucky.

    Rules state if all 10 outfield players are off the pitch celebrating they can take sent
    Not true.

    https://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/fifa-rules-debunk-theory-kieran-trippier-not-joining-celebrations-kanes-winner-164477
    I don't know what's correct but that's not a great source as the rules quoted in that piece are clearly wrong/out of date

    'all players must be in their own half of the field of play'. not true, the player taking the kick doesn't

    'the ball is in play when it is kicked and moves forward'. the ball hasn't had to be played forward for a while now

    Heres a better source;

    http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-8---the-start-and-restart-of-play


    "all players, except the player taking the kick off, must be in their own half of the field of play"


  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,219
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  • Manicmania
    Manicmania Posts: 1,594
    Henry Irving said:

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    They are all on their side of the pitch aren't they....?
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  • stackitsteve
    stackitsteve Posts: 12,102
    I saw that going round on twitter that if all the players leave the pitch to celebrate the other team can kick off. Video examples of Trippier, Pepe and others were included. The law was confirmed as incorrect by a number of sources including quotes and links to the fa website.

    Just one of those things on social media where enough people share it that it seems believable. I'm sure there are plenty of videos disproving it too but a couple of videos posted with the "rule" make it look legit.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,219
    Manicmania said:

    Henry Irving said:

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    They are all on their side of the pitch aren't they....?
    Yep. But while one team was celebrating the other kicked off. Legal but not very sporting.
    The celebrating side was still celebrating at the end of the game though as the won 2- 1
  • Manicmania
    Manicmania Posts: 1,594
    Henry Irving said:

    Manicmania said:

    Henry Irving said:

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    They are all on their side of the pitch aren't they....?
    Yep. But while one team was celebrating the other kicked off. Legal but not very sporting.
    The celebrating side was still celebrating at the end of the game though as the won 2- 1
    Yeah fair enough but in your example the rules were followed- technically - in the Panama and Spain ones they would not be able to do that as all of the players were on the other side of the pitch.
  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,254
    Really pleased with that. Have enjoyed everything about us in this WC so far. Will hold my hands up and say I didn’t really fancy much out of us in the tournament based on years of poor football.

    A couple of things point toward maybe a change.

    We have in years gone by made hard work of both the opening games against teams like Tunisia and Panama. I’ve watched us toil and toil and eventually run out of ideas and knock it long.

    We seem to have a very good team spirit and little things like the players deciding to leave their phones in their rooms at meal times is very good. Shows they want to build something and bond with one another.

    Tougher tests lay ahead and we won’t have anywhere near as much of the ball against Belgium, but there is confidence now.

    Southgate as others have said has an understated confidence about him. I’m also quite keen on his formation, only in that he hasn’t gone with the fashionable 4231. He also picks players for the benefit of the team and the shape he wants to play. You could argue that Dier is better than Henderson as an individual, but for the team and the way we play, Henderson looks a better shout

    Really up for Thursday now
  • DRAddick
    DRAddick Posts: 3,588
    paulie8290 said:

    DRAddick said:

    Someone makes up bollocks on Internet and others believe it without question shock!

    As stated before
    Pepe
    Trippier and Panama all think its a rule so maybe there is 1
    No there isn't. How does anyone actually know what those people were thinking or doing, not as if they've publicly said anything.
    It's not as if it's even difficult to confirm. All people have to do is check the official laws on an official site. But no, people much prefer to get their info from some random know nothing on twitter.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,303


  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,007
    paulie8290 said:

    Just looked online and apparently play was stopped because Panama passed forward from sent not backwards,all England players were off pitch and if they passed it backwards they could have played on

    That's absolute bollocks, the ball can go forwards or backwards from kick off, it doesn't matter.
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,975
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:

    paulie8290 said:

    Just looked online and apparently play was stopped because Panama passed forward from sent not backwards,all England players were off pitch and if they passed it backwards they could have played on

    That's absolute bollocks, the ball can go forwards or backwards from kick off, it doesn't matter.
    He’s already been told that it’s a myth but won’t believe it. Like pissing in the wind.
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    ValleyGary said:

    Chris_from_Sidcup said:

    paulie8290 said:

    Just looked online and apparently play was stopped because Panama passed forward from sent not backwards,all England players were off pitch and if they passed it backwards they could have played on

    That's absolute bollocks, the ball can go forwards or backwards from kick off, it doesn't matter.
    He’s already been told that it’s a myth but won’t believe it. Like pissing in the wind.
    Maybe read back, i said if i am wrong then fair enough, just wondered why Pepe made sure Fonte stayed on tbe pitch and why Trippier did as well, call it curiosity
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    Love the fact Pope has made sure he is at the front next to Kane

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