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2018 FIFA World Cup Thread

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  • Sage said:

    Sage said:

    not going to argue with a sports scientist... would you say there is nothing suspect in there being such a big relative gap between the top and the rest though?

    Oh there almost certainly is. I’m not going to deny or hide the fact that cheating goes on all the time, be it performance enhancers or what, Russian’s are known for it.

    But at the same time, it could just be that they’re much more hyped up for it and willing to cover the extra distance. You could ask the same question as to why is there such a big gap between Germany and Brazil.
    Take your point but Germany were chasing the game from very early on, and it was a high tempo game, bourne out by the high placing of Mexico on the same chart. Brazil have a far more relaxed style and let the ball do the work. That would be my answer.

    It could have been adrenaline I suppose but Russia are quite an aging team aren't they so it is quite a surprising stat even without the other factors you mentioned previously.


    That was just one example I used between Germany and Brazil as you mentioned the difference between the top two in that graph. There can be many other examples that you can pull apart to look at a stat differently.

    @ForeverAddickted made an interesting point about the location of the games. Climate, humidity and temperatures all will have its own factoring. The tempo of the games being played, the tactical play and decisions made prior to the game will influence how much distance is covered. But the thing with this stat is it is so generic you can’t assume anything without more variable data.

    It would be more valid at the end of the tournament and produced as an average to fairly distribute the data.

    Right now, I don’t think you can read anything into what it says. But of course as I have mentioned, there could well be some form of cheating/enhancement happening, but right now that isn’t a conclusion I would be looking to.
    Yeah I hadn't even considered the climate/temperature which mitigates things massively. As I say i'm not going to argue with a sports scientist you know a hell of a lot more than I do!
  • Sage said:

    Sage said:

    not going to argue with a sports scientist... would you say there is nothing suspect in there being such a big relative gap between the top and the rest though?

    Oh there almost certainly is. I’m not going to deny or hide the fact that cheating goes on all the time, be it performance enhancers or what, Russian’s are known for it.

    But at the same time, it could just be that they’re much more hyped up for it and willing to cover the extra distance. You could ask the same question as to why is there such a big gap between Germany and Brazil.
    Take your point but Germany were chasing the game from very early on, and it was a high tempo game, bourne out by the high placing of Mexico on the same chart. Brazil have a far more relaxed style and let the ball do the work. That would be my answer.

    It could have been adrenaline I suppose but Russia are quite an aging team aren't they so it is quite a surprising stat even without the other factors you mentioned previously.


    That was just one example I used between Germany and Brazil as you mentioned the difference between the top two in that graph. There can be many other examples that you can pull apart to look at a stat differently.

    @ForeverAddickted made an interesting point about the location of the games. Climate, humidity and temperatures all will have its own factoring. The tempo of the games being played, the tactical play and decisions made prior to the game will influence how much distance is covered. But the thing with this stat is it is so generic you can’t assume anything without more variable data.

    It would be more valid at the end of the tournament and produced as an average to fairly distribute the data.

    Right now, I don’t think you can read anything into what it says. But of course as I have mentioned, there could well be some form of cheating/enhancement happening, but right now that isn’t a conclusion I would be looking to.
    Yeah I hadn't even considered the climate/temperature which mitigates things massively. As I say i'm not going to argue with a sports scientist you know a hell of a lot more than I do!
    It’s not an argument but a very valid discussion. It is not often I can have these kind of conversations with people other than my peers but that isn’t too often either. It is good.
  • some of thr play acting is worse than Crossroads

    Showing yer age there mate
  • What a double save!!...
  • Notice that the Ref for this game is from Uruguay

    Surely thats another conflict of interest seeing that the winners of this match could end up facing Uruguay
  • Unlucky for Iran, thought they'd scored one end then go and score an own goal at their end
  • Good for the game.
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    Clive Tyldsey is such a tit. Costa scores. “Don’t you worry about that he will claim it” errrr, he doesn’t need to Clive, he scored it.
  • Iran might as well have a go now, no difference whether they lose one nil or four nil it's all down to the Portugal game for them
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  • Clive Tyldsey is such a tit. Costa scores. “Don’t you worry about that he will claim it” errrr, he doesn’t need to Clive, he scored it.

    "Pass to Isco, Iran dont pick it up" - Yeah just ignore the Iranian who runs in to nick the ball before it gets to Isco!!
  • Most teams who park 2 buses when defending don't get 4 in the box when attacking.
    I think their legs may go in the last ten.
  • It’s time for Reza to add a bit of muscle to the Iranian attack.
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    wow wow wow

    edit oh f off VAR
  • Yes. Love that.
  • WTF... I didnt see a foul
  • Nooo that werent offside
  • why are they only showing it once? Scared of people analysing it too much??
  • Iran look quite good when they attack, and Spain a bit shaky defensively, which will be of interest to other teams
  • Spain are awful. Will go out to anyone half decent.
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  • Nooo that werent offside

    Think he was slightly off IMO, only a leg but still part of him was offside
  • If Iran play like this against Portugal and nulify Ronaldo, they're not out of this themselves
  • Offside, Iran forwards went to early as free kick was initially dummied and then other player took it which meant the Iran attack had already moved beyond the defenders. Crap free kick.
  • Good call by VAR.
  • Nooo that werent offside

    Think he was slightly off IMO, only a leg but still part of him was offside
    Garrhh one of the biggest annoyances in Football for me

    WHOLE ball has to be over a line to count, PART of a man to be beyond the last man to be offside
  • I think its the second ball that was offside. Hate to say it but that is a good call - but that is what VAR should be used for black and white calls. No need for interpretation. That should be the take-away from this tournament about VAR no country can lodge a formal complaint about a decision like that.
  • Nooo that werent offside

    Think he was slightly off IMO, only a leg but still part of him was offside
    Garrhh one of the biggest annoyances in Football for me

    WHOLE ball has to be over a line to count, PART of a man to be beyond the last man to be offside
    Any part of the body that can score a goal is deemed offside.
  • Spain stroke the ball around like its a computer game
  • edited June 2018
    Its not just because I'm an atheist that I found the sight of an Iranian praying to his god for thanks for his goal, while the new god VAR was disallowing it, funny.
  • isn't that hand-ball there it looked like it to me on the replay
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