Is there life on Mars?
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The chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one they say.0
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The granite was cut out by chiselling holes, then wood wedges inserted and watered to expand the wood, which split the granite. Simple. The trick was in raising two ton blocks of the stuff 100 feet up the sodding pyramid to put into the tombs (back breaking slave labour)0
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I know this is one way of splitting granite, but how did they split scants of granite up to 4m x 4m so precisely that a modem day engineer, using the latest levels and precision straight edges, can find hardly any faults on the surfaces?Leroy Ambrose said:The granite was cut out by chiselling holes, then wood wedges inserted and watered to expand the wood, which split the granite. Simple. The trick was in raising two ton blocks of the stuff 100 feet up the sodding pyramid to put into the tombs (back breaking slave labour)
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Which is fine. What we don't want is alien life finding us.ShootersHillGuru said:
Finding evidence of life on any of our solar system neighbouring planets would be astonishing.fattmatt said:The maths says that life elsewhere in the universe is statistically certain. It's just a case of whether we can find proof.
If we find evidence on our closest neighbouring planet of some kind of life, then the odds of us finding intelligent life 'locally' goes up significantly.
As for elsewhere. I think the time scales and the distances involved will preclude our chances of coming accross life.1 -
@Daddy_Pig Do you have any references for this? I'd be interested in reading more.Daddy_Pig said:
Prove there's no God and I'll start believing in aliens. See the problem there?Danepak said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy7NzjCmUf0&t=2s
From 3.37 it becomes mind blowing.
I'll go as far to say that if someone can prove (which they obviously can't) to me that there's no life elsewhere in the universe, then I'll start believing in God...
Just my opinion but there are two ways of looking at this.
1. There is life here why is there not life elsewhere?
2. There is no life anywhere else. Why is it here?
My loose understanding is this... The universe is heading towards energy entropy. That is to say that all atoms will eventually disperse their energy between eachother and that every atom will eventually be at disequilibrium. However atoms behave in such a way as to avoid inevitable entropy. Atoms came together in such a way that made them more efficient in retaining energy and the result of this was life. It also underpins why every evolutionary leap in life on earth has been thermodynamically more efficient than the last. The conditions for this to happen is so small that the chance of life occuring is virtually zero.
Therefore, IMO, the universe is lifeless except for here. We're a bunch of stardust that came together in one place at one time in one hell of a fluke.0 -
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Oh, my aching sides.i_b_b_o_r_g said:1 -
People are a bit tetchy on here atnight ain't they...1
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I was going to say the same thing....must be a full moon or something...i_b_b_o_r_g said:People are a bit tetchy on here atnight ain't they...
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What does Shay Given say?0
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That made me chuckle, Blackpoolblackpool72 said:Just sell the club and FUCK OFF
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He’s still the cutest robot yet...i_b_b_o_r_g said:
What about Metal Mickey?Daddy_Pig said:
Prove there's no God and I'll start believing in aliens. See the problem there?Danepak said:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy7NzjCmUf0&t=2s
From 3.37 it becomes mind blowing.
I'll go as far to say that if someone can prove (which they obviously can't) to me that there's no life elsewhere in the universe, then I'll start believing in God...
Just my opinion but there are two ways of looking at this.
1. There is life here why is there not life elsewhere?
2. There is no life anywhere else. Why is it here?
My loose understanding is this... The universe is heading towards energy entropy. That is to say that all atoms will eventually disperse their energy between eachother and that every atom will eventually be at disequilibrium. However atoms behave in such a way as to avoid inevitable entropy. Atoms came together in such a way that made them more efficient in retaining energy and the result of this was life. It also underpins why every evolutionary leap in life on earth has been thermodynamically more efficient than the last. The conditions for this to happen is so small that the chance of life occuring is virtually zero.
Therefore, IMO, the universe is lifeless except for here. We're a bunch of stardust that came together in one place at one time in one hell of a fluke.0 -
Hard boarderseth plum said:What does Shay Given say?
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The proper question maybe was there life on Mars? If this is proved or likely than there is a very high possibility we are not alone. It maybe only simple plant life but I think this is possible, indeed probable. Single cell plant life probably; as we know similar form is to be found in Deptford.
The fact we have a black hole in our universe is to me more significant. As is the possibility of travel through it. Edinburgh University are building two shields to insert into the black hole so as to prevent the hole bursting when/if we attempted it.
If we do achieve this the travel time through the Universe would be significantly be reduced. If you can imagine a piece of paper folded in half and then traveling between the folds, it would be something like this.
What does a white hole look like? If we have a black hole I would have thought that we have a white one so far undiscovered.
God I wish I knew more because it is such an exciting science.0 -
We have a Black Hole, Sagittarius A, in the centre of our galaxy. We also have one at Charlton and it’s name is Roland D.Redrobo said:The proper question maybe was there life on Mars? If this is proved or likely than there is a very high possibility we are not alone. It maybe only simple plant life but I think this is possible, indeed probable. Single cell plant life probably; as we know similar form is to be found in Deptford.
The fact we have a black hole in our universe is to me more significant. As is the possibility of travel through it. Edinburgh University are building two shields to insert into the black hole so as to prevent the hole bursting when/if we attempted it.
If we do achieve this the travel time through the Universe would be significantly be reduced. If you can imagine a piece of paper folded in half and then traveling between the folds, it would be something like this.
What does a white hole look like? If we have a black hole I would have thought that we have a white one so far undiscovered.
God I wish I knew more because it is such an exciting science.0 -
Does the A stand for Arse?1StevieG said:
We have a Black Hole, Sagittarius A, in the centre of our galaxy. We also have one at Charlton and it’s name is Roland D.Redrobo said:The proper question maybe was there life on Mars? If this is proved or likely than there is a very high possibility we are not alone. It maybe only simple plant life but I think this is possible, indeed probable. Single cell plant life probably; as we know similar form is to be found in Deptford.
The fact we have a black hole in our universe is to me more significant. As is the possibility of travel through it. Edinburgh University are building two shields to insert into the black hole so as to prevent the hole bursting when/if we attempted it.
If we do achieve this the travel time through the Universe would be significantly be reduced. If you can imagine a piece of paper folded in half and then traveling between the folds, it would be something like this.
What does a white hole look like? If we have a black hole I would have thought that we have a white one so far undiscovered.
God I wish I knew more because it is such an exciting science.0 -
This is a magazine article on the theory which might give an idea of what Im trying to say.AddicksAddict said:
@Daddy_Pig Do you have any references for this? I'd be interested in reading more.Daddy_Pig said:
Prove there's no God and I'll start believing in aliens. See the problem there?Danepak said:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy7NzjCmUf0&t=2s
From 3.37 it becomes mind blowing.
I'll go as far to say that if someone can prove (which they obviously can't) to me that there's no life elsewhere in the universe, then I'll start believing in God...
Just my opinion but there are two ways of looking at this.
1. There is life here why is there not life elsewhere?
2. There is no life anywhere else. Why is it here?
My loose understanding is this... The universe is heading towards energy entropy. That is to say that all atoms will eventually disperse their energy between eachother and that every atom will eventually be at disequilibrium. However atoms behave in such a way as to avoid inevitable entropy. Atoms came together in such a way that made them more efficient in retaining energy and the result of this was life. It also underpins why every evolutionary leap in life on earth has been thermodynamically more efficient than the last. The conditions for this to happen is so small that the chance of life occuring is virtually zero.
Therefore, IMO, the universe is lifeless except for here. We're a bunch of stardust that came together in one place at one time in one hell of a fluke.
https://www.quantamagazine.org/a-new-thermodynamics-theory-of-the-origin-of-life-20140122/
Unfortunately, I don't have the time to sort through articles to see which ones have open access but its still an interesting read.
Theres a lot more literature on thermodynamics and ecology that focuses on ecosystems rather than the foundation of life. If that is something you would like to read then have a look at "A New Ecology" by Sven Jorgensen and B Fath. You can download the book online.
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@Daddy_Pig Thanks. That's a very interesting article.Daddy_Pig said:
This is a magazine article on the theory which might give an idea of what Im trying to say.AddicksAddict said:
@Daddy_Pig Do you have any references for this? I'd be interested in reading more.Daddy_Pig said:
Prove there's no God and I'll start believing in aliens. See the problem there?Danepak said:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy7NzjCmUf0&t=2s
From 3.37 it becomes mind blowing.
I'll go as far to say that if someone can prove (which they obviously can't) to me that there's no life elsewhere in the universe, then I'll start believing in God...
Just my opinion but there are two ways of looking at this.
1. There is life here why is there not life elsewhere?
2. There is no life anywhere else. Why is it here?
My loose understanding is this... The universe is heading towards energy entropy. That is to say that all atoms will eventually disperse their energy between eachother and that every atom will eventually be at disequilibrium. However atoms behave in such a way as to avoid inevitable entropy. Atoms came together in such a way that made them more efficient in retaining energy and the result of this was life. It also underpins why every evolutionary leap in life on earth has been thermodynamically more efficient than the last. The conditions for this to happen is so small that the chance of life occuring is virtually zero.
Therefore, IMO, the universe is lifeless except for here. We're a bunch of stardust that came together in one place at one time in one hell of a fluke.
https://www.quantamagazine.org/a-new-thermodynamics-theory-of-the-origin-of-life-20140122/
Unfortunately, I don't have the time to sort through articles to see which ones have open access but its still an interesting read.
Theres a lot more literature on thermodynamics and ecology that focuses on ecosystems rather than the foundation of life. If that is something you would like to read then have a look at "A New Ecology" by Sven Jorgensen and B Fath. You can download the book online.1 -
Has his lodger just taken some viagra?i_b_b_o_r_g said:
Hard boarderseth plum said:What does Shay Given say?
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Despite all the ridicule I open myself up to, I very much believe in alien/intelligent life out there in the universe. You choose what you choose to believe, but there are just too many unanswered coincidences/mysteries for me that the existence of aliens answers quite well, the pyramids and how they were built being one of themi_b_b_o_r_g said:
Cos it's more believable that ancient Egyptians cut granite, one of the hardest natural substances known to man, dead level (within .001mm), before hard metals were ever discovered, let alone laser a guided wet cutters.Cordoban Addick said:
Stargate was a science fiction programme, not a documentary.i_b_b_o_r_g said:Is the aliens who built the pyramids?
I think a lot of people were fooled though.
I’m dubious of things like Alien Abductions, but for me, I think they’ve visited earth before and will do again at some point
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Yeah for sure the pyramids were built by aliens. Totally.0
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AddciksAddict the best book I’ve read that can give you an overview of thinks like this in layman’s terms was called time is in our hands by Christoph galtardAddicksAddict said:
@Daddy_Pig Do you have any references for this? I'd be interested in reading more.Daddy_Pig said:
Prove there's no God and I'll start believing in aliens. See the problem there?Danepak said:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy7NzjCmUf0&t=2s
From 3.37 it becomes mind blowing.
I'll go as far to say that if someone can prove (which they obviously can't) to me that there's no life elsewhere in the universe, then I'll start believing in God...
Just my opinion but there are two ways of looking at this.
1. There is life here why is there not life elsewhere?
2. There is no life anywhere else. Why is it here?
My loose understanding is this... The universe is heading towards energy entropy. That is to say that all atoms will eventually disperse their energy between eachother and that every atom will eventually be at disequilibrium. However atoms behave in such a way as to avoid inevitable entropy. Atoms came together in such a way that made them more efficient in retaining energy and the result of this was life. It also underpins why every evolutionary leap in life on earth has been thermodynamically more efficient than the last. The conditions for this to happen is so small that the chance of life occuring is virtually zero.
Therefore, IMO, the universe is lifeless except for here. We're a bunch of stardust that came together in one place at one time in one hell of a fluke.
He was a student of prof Hawkins and if you like what daddy pig mentioned, it’s worth a punt1 -
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They're still here mate!cabbles said:
Despite all the ridicule I open myself up to, I very much believe in alien/intelligent life out there in the universe. You choose what you choose to believe, but there are just too many unanswered coincidences/mysteries for me that the existence of aliens answers quite well, the pyramids and how they were built being one of themi_b_b_o_r_g said:
Cos it's more believable that ancient Egyptians cut granite, one of the hardest natural substances known to man, dead level (within .001mm), before hard metals were ever discovered, let alone laser a guided wet cutters.Cordoban Addick said:
Stargate was a science fiction programme, not a documentary.i_b_b_o_r_g said:Is the aliens who built the pyramids?
I think a lot of people were fooled though.
I’m dubious of things like Alien Abductions, but for me, I think they’ve visited earth before and will do again at some point0 -
The issue I have is that the probabilities that make Alien life incredibly likely also indicate why we are unlikely to either hear from it or meet it. It isn't just distance, but times have to align too! Knowing there is or has been life on another planet, no matter how rudimentary, will tell us that life on other planets is about as likely as it is possible to be! This will be the most likely way we will discover this.cabbles said:
Despite all the ridicule I open myself up to, I very much believe in alien/intelligent life out there in the universe. You choose what you choose to believe, but there are just too many unanswered coincidences/mysteries for me that the existence of aliens answers quite well, the pyramids and how they were built being one of themi_b_b_o_r_g said:
Cos it's more believable that ancient Egyptians cut granite, one of the hardest natural substances known to man, dead level (within .001mm), before hard metals were ever discovered, let alone laser a guided wet cutters.Cordoban Addick said:
Stargate was a science fiction programme, not a documentary.i_b_b_o_r_g said:Is the aliens who built the pyramids?
I think a lot of people were fooled though.
I’m dubious of things like Alien Abductions, but for me, I think they’ve visited earth before and will do again at some point0 -
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It is possible to believe that alien life exists and that humans built the pyramids of Egypt.cabbles said:
Despite all the ridicule I open myself up to, I very much believe in alien/intelligent life out there in the universe. You choose what you choose to believe, but there are just too many unanswered coincidences/mysteries for me that the existence of aliens answers quite well, the pyramids and how they were built being one of themi_b_b_o_r_g said:
Cos it's more believable that ancient Egyptians cut granite, one of the hardest natural substances known to man, dead level (within .001mm), before hard metals were ever discovered, let alone laser a guided wet cutters.Cordoban Addick said:
Stargate was a science fiction programme, not a documentary.i_b_b_o_r_g said:Is the aliens who built the pyramids?
I think a lot of people were fooled though.
I’m dubious of things like Alien Abductions, but for me, I think they’ve visited earth before and will do again at some point
Quite apart from anything else why would aliens build the pyramids and why would they intern pickled human remains in them?2 -
Totally agree! Why are the pyramids or Stonehenge less impressive than us getting on jet planes and travelling all around the world safely and almost routinely? Why is a building like The Shard for instance, not just as impressive?
In terms of how they did it, it has been explained and they are a fantastic example of man's ingenuity, but not of a technology outside of their time. And as tombs, they are a complete waste of space really, which also tells us something!0 -
In the words of the wise philosopher Ericidlus:
"Pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space... Cos there's bugger all down here on Earth!"1
