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Sunderland relegated

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  • E_cafc
    E_cafc Posts: 2,617
    edited April 2018
    Exactly, Man City couldnt fail to win the league this season. Sean Dyche manager of the year all day long.
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    edited April 2018
    JamesSeed said:

    Serves them right for letting Jimmy Seed go after he was gassed twice in WW1.

    Move on! :wink:
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,002
    MartinCAFC said:

    Back to back relegations looming.

    Where does it end for them?

    A more spectacular decline than our own after dropping out of The Premier League. You have to wonder how they're going to turn things around from here.

    An even more bleak future than our own.

    Paying Jack Rodwell 70k a week in league one won't exactly help them!
  • cafcfan
    cafcfan Posts: 11,198
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:

    MartinCAFC said:

    Back to back relegations looming.

    Where does it end for them?

    A more spectacular decline than our own after dropping out of The Premier League. You have to wonder how they're going to turn things around from here.

    An even more bleak future than our own.

    Paying Jack Rodwell 70k a week in league one won't exactly help them!
    At least they successfully off-loaded Darron Gibson. Perhaps they should spike a few players lunch-time drinks with vodka and then call the plod to breath test them as they leave the training ground.
  • NapaAddick
    NapaAddick Posts: 4,657
    edited April 2018
    It was announced today that a Netflix film crew has has access to Sunderland's team and fans all season and they will release a documentary about the season in a few months. THAT should be amazing to watch.
  • lordromford
    lordromford Posts: 7,781
    oohaahmortimer said:

    SDAddick said:

    And the fact of the matter is that British managers just aren't good enough to coach in the Premier League anymore, and things won't get better until we realize that and start dealing with underlying problems.

    Yep Burnley, Bournemouth and Brighton should deffo be looking at getting a foreign coach in .
    What a ridiculous sweeping statement you make there , of course some British managers are pony and so are some foreign managers
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    palarsehater said:

    oohaahmortimer said:

    SDAddick said:

    And the fact of the matter is that British managers just aren't good enough to coach in the Premier League anymore, and things won't get better until we realize that and start dealing with underlying problems.

    Yep Burnley, Bournemouth and Brighton should deffo be looking at getting a foreign coach in .
    What a ridiculous sweeping statement you make there , of course some British managers are pony and so are some foreign managers
    I think Sean dyche is doing pretty well personally, Eddie Howe and Chris hughton as pointed out above.
    Foreign managers tend to just buy players in I would put good money on most in here given Man City’s budget would win the league.
    palarsehater said:

    oohaahmortimer said:

    SDAddick said:

    And the fact of the matter is that British managers just aren't good enough to coach in the Premier League anymore, and things won't get better until we realize that and start dealing with underlying problems.

    Yep Burnley, Bournemouth and Brighton should deffo be looking at getting a foreign coach in .
    What a ridiculous sweeping statement you make there , of course some British managers are pony and so are some foreign managers
    I think Sean dyche is doing pretty well personally, Eddie Howe and Chris hughton as pointed out above.
    Foreign managers tend to just buy players in I would put good money on most in here given Man City’s budget would win the league.
    Not necessarily, not as if Mourinho has had pennies
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,949
    palarsehater said:

    oohaahmortimer said:

    SDAddick said:

    And the fact of the matter is that British managers just aren't good enough to coach in the Premier League anymore, and things won't get better until we realize that and start dealing with underlying problems.

    Yep Burnley, Bournemouth and Brighton should deffo be looking at getting a foreign coach in .
    What a ridiculous sweeping statement you make there , of course some British managers are pony and so are some foreign managers
    I think Sean dyche is doing pretty well personally, Eddie Howe and Chris hughton as pointed out above.
    Foreign managers tend to just buy players in I would put good money on most in here given Man City’s budget would win the league.
    Dunno, some might have wasted it on the likes of Morata, Bakayoko and Barkley.

    Guardiola has spent a lot but at least bought well.
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,949
    NapaAddick said:

    It was announced today that a Netflix film crew has has access to Sunderland's team and fans all season and they will release a documentary about the season in a few months. THAT should be amazing to watch.

    That should be interesting!
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,949
    Seemed a bad choice by Chris Coleman at the time, seems even worse in hindsight. He could easily have got a Swansea/Southampton type Prem job.
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  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,167
    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    Garrymanilow said:

    Relegation is the best thing for Sunderland. Every year they've survived it's given another year of service to absolute jokers like Cattermole, Larsson, O'Shea and the rest. Players who signed for Sunderland on outrageous salaries and then decided not to bother being footballers anymore. The board also went to the Meire school of negotiating and had players like Fletcher on what felt like 400 year contracts that they couldn't shift. At least by going down they can clear out the useless lumps who were happy to sit and pick up their paychecks and they have the chance to rebuild

    That worked out well B)
    Ha, yeah. Would have helped if they'd managed to get rid of the shite this season though. Cattermole, O'Shea, Rodwell, McNair, Kone all somehow still there even though they're dragging the club to hell with their salaries and awful attitudes. Never stood a chance
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,002
    North Lower Neil said:

    palarsehater said:

    oohaahmortimer said:

    SDAddick said:

    And the fact of the matter is that British managers just aren't good enough to coach in the Premier League anymore, and things won't get better until we realize that and start dealing with underlying problems.

    Yep Burnley, Bournemouth and Brighton should deffo be looking at getting a foreign coach in .
    What a ridiculous sweeping statement you make there , of course some British managers are pony and so are some foreign managers
    I think Sean dyche is doing pretty well personally, Eddie Howe and Chris hughton as pointed out above.
    Foreign managers tend to just buy players in I would put good money on most in here given Man City’s budget would win the league.
    Dunno, some might have wasted it on the likes of Morata, Bakayoko and Barkley.

    Guardiola has spent a lot but at least bought well.
    Ridiculous decision by Chelsea to think that Morata and Bakayoko would be better than Costa and Matic.
  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,116
    Garrymanilow said:

    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    Garrymanilow said:

    Relegation is the best thing for Sunderland. Every year they've survived it's given another year of service to absolute jokers like Cattermole, Larsson, O'Shea and the rest. Players who signed for Sunderland on outrageous salaries and then decided not to bother being footballers anymore. The board also went to the Meire school of negotiating and had players like Fletcher on what felt like 400 year contracts that they couldn't shift. At least by going down they can clear out the useless lumps who were happy to sit and pick up their paychecks and they have the chance to rebuild

    That worked out well B)
    Ha, yeah. Would have helped if they'd managed to get rid of the shite this season though. Cattermole, O'Shea, Rodwell, McNair, Kone all somehow still there even though they're dragging the club to hell with their salaries and awful attitudes. Never stood a chance
    No one else is stupid enough to take on those salaries.
  • E_cafc
    E_cafc Posts: 2,617
    edited April 2018
    Going to be a shocking sight seeing them playing in League 1 in front of an almost empty stadium. What a mess they are in.
  • SheffieldRed
    SheffieldRed Posts: 3,772
    E-cafc said:

    Going to be a shocking sight seeing them playing in League 1 in front of an almost empty stadium. What a mess they are in.

    Yeah can’t imagine what it’ll be like to see an ex premier League club in a mess playing in league 1 in front of an almost empty stadium
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,842
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:

    North Lower Neil said:

    palarsehater said:

    oohaahmortimer said:

    SDAddick said:

    And the fact of the matter is that British managers just aren't good enough to coach in the Premier League anymore, and things won't get better until we realize that and start dealing with underlying problems.

    Yep Burnley, Bournemouth and Brighton should deffo be looking at getting a foreign coach in .
    What a ridiculous sweeping statement you make there , of course some British managers are pony and so are some foreign managers
    I think Sean dyche is doing pretty well personally, Eddie Howe and Chris hughton as pointed out above.
    Foreign managers tend to just buy players in I would put good money on most in here given Man City’s budget would win the league.
    Dunno, some might have wasted it on the likes of Morata, Bakayoko and Barkley.

    Guardiola has spent a lot but at least bought well.
    Ridiculous decision by Chelsea to think that Morata and Bakayoko would be better than Costa and Matic.
    Weird that a team who would be playing more games this season, being in the Champions League, would leave themselves such a thin squad, after selling Matic and loaning out 40 odd players!
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,842
    North Lower Neil said:

    Seemed a bad choice by Chris Coleman at the time, seems even worse in hindsight. He could easily have got a Swansea/Southampton type Prem job.

    I bet he lies awake at night wondering how he screwed up so badly. From Euro 2016 hero status to managing a team in the 3rd division in 2 years.
  • E_cafc
    E_cafc Posts: 2,617
    SheffieldRed said:

    E-cafc said:

    Going to be a shocking sight seeing them playing in League 1 in front of an almost empty stadium. What a mess they are in.

    Yeah can’t imagine what it’ll be like to see an ex premier League club in a mess playing in league 1 in front of an almost empty stadium
    We are used to it. They arent
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,002
    killerandflash said:

    North Lower Neil said:

    Seemed a bad choice by Chris Coleman at the time, seems even worse in hindsight. He could easily have got a Swansea/Southampton type Prem job.

    I bet he lies awake at night wondering how he screwed up so badly. From Euro 2016 hero status to managing a team in the 3rd division in 2 years.
    I'm sure he sleeps ok. Was never going to improve on what he did with Wales at the Euro's and is earning more money at Sunderland than with Wales.

    Oh and he's married to Charlotte Jackson!
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,441
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:

    killerandflash said:

    North Lower Neil said:

    Seemed a bad choice by Chris Coleman at the time, seems even worse in hindsight. He could easily have got a Swansea/Southampton type Prem job.

    I bet he lies awake at night wondering how he screwed up so badly. From Euro 2016 hero status to managing a team in the 3rd division in 2 years.
    I'm sure he sleeps ok. Was never going to improve on what he did with Wales at the Euro's and is earning more money at Sunderland than with Wales.

    Oh and he's married to Charlotte Jackson!
    He's never been a particularly good club manager.
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  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    He's a useless twat who blames the referee after approaching 100% of non-won games
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,441
    From games against Man U to playing Accrington Stanley inside two seasons.

    It will be Interesting to see how Sunderland respond to L1? I don't get the impression they're ready for it.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,301
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

    Chris_from_Sidcup said:

    killerandflash said:

    North Lower Neil said:

    Seemed a bad choice by Chris Coleman at the time, seems even worse in hindsight. He could easily have got a Swansea/Southampton type Prem job.

    I bet he lies awake at night wondering how he screwed up so badly. From Euro 2016 hero status to managing a team in the 3rd division in 2 years.
    I'm sure he sleeps ok. Was never going to improve on what he did with Wales at the Euro's and is earning more money at Sunderland than with Wales.

    Oh and he's married to Charlotte Jackson!
    He's never been a particularly good club manager.
    This... I didnt get the hype surrounding him, he's failed at every club he's been at

    Wales was the one place where it worked for him and by leaving that role, he's blown in
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,727
    edited April 2018
    ForeverAddickted said:

    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

    Chris_from_Sidcup said:

    killerandflash said:

    North Lower Neil said:

    Seemed a bad choice by Chris Coleman at the time, seems even worse in hindsight. He could easily have got a Swansea/Southampton type Prem job.

    I bet he lies awake at night wondering how he screwed up so badly. From Euro 2016 hero status to managing a team in the 3rd division in 2 years.
    I'm sure he sleeps ok. Was never going to improve on what he did with Wales at the Euro's and is earning more money at Sunderland than with Wales.

    Oh and he's married to Charlotte Jackson!
    He's never been a particularly good club manager.
    This... I didnt get the hype surrounding him, he's failed at every club he's been at

    Wales was the one place where it worked for him and by leaving that role, he's blown in
    Isn't his Sunderland contract worth stupid money though? Can see why he was tempted to make the move from the Welsh national set-up
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,301
    Croydon said:

    ForeverAddickted said:

    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

    Chris_from_Sidcup said:

    killerandflash said:

    North Lower Neil said:

    Seemed a bad choice by Chris Coleman at the time, seems even worse in hindsight. He could easily have got a Swansea/Southampton type Prem job.

    I bet he lies awake at night wondering how he screwed up so badly. From Euro 2016 hero status to managing a team in the 3rd division in 2 years.
    I'm sure he sleeps ok. Was never going to improve on what he did with Wales at the Euro's and is earning more money at Sunderland than with Wales.

    Oh and he's married to Charlotte Jackson!
    He's never been a particularly good club manager.
    This... I didnt get the hype surrounding him, he's failed at every club he's been at

    Wales was the one place where it worked for him and by leaving that role, he's blown in
    Isn't his Sunderland contract worth stupid money though? Can see why he was tempted to make the move from the Welsh national set-up
    Oh can see why he was tempted as International Management is so stop / start i.e. as a Club Manager he's got the training / playing side every week so is always going to be more attractive as a role for the majority of Managers.
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,441
    Wales under Coleman had a world class player who dragged the team through. I think the influence of Coleman was exaggerated....

    No idea what Sunderland fans think of him?
  • MrLargo
    MrLargo Posts: 7,989
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

    Wales under Coleman had a world class player who dragged the team through. I think the influence of Coleman was exaggerated....

    No idea what Sunderland fans think of him?

    I would imagine similar to us - face in the dugout is largely irrelevant until the club is sold.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,842
    Croydon said:

    ForeverAddickted said:

    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

    Chris_from_Sidcup said:

    killerandflash said:

    North Lower Neil said:

    Seemed a bad choice by Chris Coleman at the time, seems even worse in hindsight. He could easily have got a Swansea/Southampton type Prem job.

    I bet he lies awake at night wondering how he screwed up so badly. From Euro 2016 hero status to managing a team in the 3rd division in 2 years.
    I'm sure he sleeps ok. Was never going to improve on what he did with Wales at the Euro's and is earning more money at Sunderland than with Wales.

    Oh and he's married to Charlotte Jackson!
    He's never been a particularly good club manager.
    This... I didnt get the hype surrounding him, he's failed at every club he's been at

    Wales was the one place where it worked for him and by leaving that role, he's blown in
    Isn't his Sunderland contract worth stupid money though? Can see why he was tempted to make the move from the Welsh national set-up
    Wasn't there a large "staying up" bonus though?

    And if he had taken a PL job, I imagine he would have got similar terms. Swansea and Stoke both came up soon after he left Wales. Everton might have been beforehand, while Southampton is a recent job opportunity.
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,145
    edited April 2018
    Same waffle said about Blackburn and Wigan , ex prem clubs shit owners in League One blah blah blah they’ll struggle to get back up blah blah blah
    When right under our own noses the biggest joke of recent times of a football club is our own dearly beloved .
    Yet we still have far too many lame , deferential fans who would rather dig out the ones (protestors, CARD etc) who saw this shit happening a long time before they started to smell the vinegar pissing coffee that has been poured all over our club from that experimenting twat in Belgium
  • randy andy
    randy andy Posts: 5,454
    Club and international management are very different things. Ignoring the non-playing side for a moment, even the playing side is massively different.

    Club manager has his squad pretty much 24/7, can work on systems, patterns of play, positioning, etc. Guardiola is famous for this, given any situation on the pitch he'll have his players drilled as to where they should be and what they should be doing. If players don't match the system, get new players in, guide the club youth policy to develop the type of players required (a la Barcelona). Basically the manager, unless fire-fighting, gets to dictate who plays and how.

    The international managers has his players for a very limited time and has a limited pool of players to pick from. There's not time to work on the majority of stuff listed above. So where as the club manager's job is to dictate the style of play and work with his players to achieve it, the international manager's job is to find a style of play that a)get's the most from the players available and b) requires the least amount of time on the training field to get those players working together as a unit within that system.

    They are very different skill-sets and I think the differences are massively underestimated by fans and those within the game.

    It's also why players who perform well at club level may not be able to replicate it at international level. They will get a far higher level of instruction at club level and should be part of a well integrated machine. At international level they will get far more direction from the manager, everything will be far more general and it is up to the player to work out how to replicate their club form, the manager simply hasn't got the time with the players to spend drilling each one on how and where he wants them to play and how that fits into the team system.

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