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International Break - March 2018

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  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,446
    Shows why VAR can be effective.

    Obviously people are upset because it's against England but that was a clear penalty that would not have been given if not for VAR.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,763
    Commentators arguing there was no intent from Tarkowski... sorry what? Doesn't stop it being a foul lol...
  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    Have they got VAR at the world cup?
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,763
    McBobbin said:

    Have they got VAR at the world cup?

    Yes.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,763
    You stand on someone's foot, you concede a foul. Whether you meant to do it or not.
  • Ross
    Ross Posts: 4,409
    Needs communication from the ref/VAR ref like in rugby or cricket about what they’re looking at.

    My Twitter timeline is split 50/50 about whether or not that was a penalty. Ultimately it is still someone’s opinion.
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,975
    Can’t wait for 7-7 draws and 27 minutes of injury time lol
  • Manicmania
    Manicmania Posts: 1,594
    If it was such a clear penalty why did the ref need to review it first? It was soft.
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,947
    That was never a clear penalty (personally I don't think it was one at all).

    I'm for VAR but like in cricket it needs to be for black and white wrong decisions/obvious mistakes. Things like that should be "ref's call" and stay how it was given.
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,446
    Manicmania said:

    If it was such a clear penalty why did the ref need to review it first? It was soft.

    View was blocked? Pretty simple
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  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,301
    Whats frustrating about VAR is with a different Referee, that incident will have been pointed out yet the ref would have declined the chance to review
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,763
    edited March 2018
    North Lower Neil said:

    That was never a clear penalty (personally I don't think it was one at all).

    I'm for VAR but like in cricket it needs to be for black and white wrong decisions/obvious mistakes. Things like that should be "ref's call" and stay how it was given.

    But it was the ref's call to change his own decision after seeing the footage? It's not as if there is hawkeye telling him what decision to make.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,763
    Manicmania said:

    If it was such a clear penalty why did the ref need to review it first? It was soft.

    It can be as soft as you like but it's still a foul.
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,947
    Callumcafc said:

    You stand on someone's foot, you concede a foul. Whether you meant to do it or not.

    He was already half falling over and the ball had gone, before a slight coming together. Never a foul.
  • rina
    rina Posts: 2,334
    I'm going to place a max bet on over 2.5 goals in every game in the world cup if penalties are going to be given for that
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,975
    Callumcafc said:

    North Lower Neil said:

    That was never a clear penalty (personally I don't think it was one at all).

    I'm for VAR but like in cricket it needs to be for black and white wrong decisions/obvious mistakes. Things like that should be "ref's call" and stay how it was given.

    But it was the ref's call to change his own decision after seeing the footage? It's not as if there is hawkeye telling him what decision to make.
    Was it? He gave a corner.
  • Manicmania
    Manicmania Posts: 1,594
    By the way I say it was a soft decision even though I have something to gain as I had both teams to score and a draw in a bet... !
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,446
    edited March 2018
    North Lower Neil said:

    That was never a clear penalty (personally I don't think it was one at all).

    I'm for VAR but like in cricket it needs to be for black and white wrong decisions/obvious mistakes. Things like that should be "ref's call" and stay how it was given.

    Italian player goes to kick the ball and gets his foot stood on as he's about to kick it....not a penalty?

    Some people wouldn't want a penalty given until a player is being fly kicked in the chest.
  • Fortune 82nd Minute
    Fortune 82nd Minute Posts: 8,337
    Watched the England game on TV. Wasn,t a bad game and a perfectly good way to pass the evening.

    But the thought going through my head is what on earth possesses 80000 people to pay good money to actually go and watch this given a friendly is never going to be a rip-roaring game and the problems of getting away from Wembley?
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,763
    ValleyGary said:

    Callumcafc said:

    North Lower Neil said:

    That was never a clear penalty (personally I don't think it was one at all).

    I'm for VAR but like in cricket it needs to be for black and white wrong decisions/obvious mistakes. Things like that should be "ref's call" and stay how it was given.

    But it was the ref's call to change his own decision after seeing the footage? It's not as if there is hawkeye telling him what decision to make.
    Was it? He gave a corner.
    Yes. The referee gave a corner at first. Then went and looked at the footage himself and decided himself that it was actually a penalty. No-one told him to make the decision he made.
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  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,301
    edited March 2018
    ValleyGary said:

    Callumcafc said:

    North Lower Neil said:

    That was never a clear penalty (personally I don't think it was one at all).

    I'm for VAR but like in cricket it needs to be for black and white wrong decisions/obvious mistakes. Things like that should be "ref's call" and stay how it was given.

    But it was the ref's call to change his own decision after seeing the footage? It's not as if there is hawkeye telling him what decision to make.
    Was it? He gave a corner.
    He gave a corner and got a call from the Video Ref suggesting he take a look at the incident

    Italy players themselves were busy calling for a corner rather than a penalty.
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,975
    North Lower Neil said:

    Callumcafc said:

    You stand on someone's foot, you concede a foul. Whether you meant to do it or not.

    He was already half falling over and the ball had gone, before a slight coming together. Never a foul.
    Exactly, Tarkowski didn’t even change his stride and Chiesa was already going down and extended his leg.

    This means that any coming together, regardless of the position of the ball or player means it’s a foul.
  • Greenie
    Greenie Posts: 9,172
    It was a pen all day long!
    VAR got it right.
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,947
    Callumcafc said:

    North Lower Neil said:

    That was never a clear penalty (personally I don't think it was one at all).

    I'm for VAR but like in cricket it needs to be for black and white wrong decisions/obvious mistakes. Things like that should be "ref's call" and stay how it was given.

    But it was the ref's call to change his own decision after seeing the footage? It's not as if there is hawkeye telling him what decision to make.
    I mean ref's call as per 'umpire's call', i.e. as it means in cricket - sticking with the original call.

    It needs to be used for glaring mistakes - the Hand of God, Henry's handball, Schumacher taking out Battiston, 3 yards offside goals, that sort of thing. Otherwise we'll have refs watching replays ten times to change their mind on pretty 50/50 decisions.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,763
    People here would be livid if they didn't use VAR to give us that penalty.
  • Bournemouth Addick
    Bournemouth Addick Posts: 16,283
    If that's a Charlton player in the box against Millwall with a few minutes to equalise...that's a pen all day long for everyone.

    We'd still lose though.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,763
    If anyone wants to watch what happened...

  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,947
    SELR_addicks said:

    North Lower Neil said:

    That was never a clear penalty (personally I don't think it was one at all).

    I'm for VAR but like in cricket it needs to be for black and white wrong decisions/obvious mistakes. Things like that should be "ref's call" and stay how it was given.

    Italian player goes to kick the ball and gets his foot stood on as he's about to kick it....not a penalty?

    Some people wouldn't want a penalty given until a player it being fly kicked in the chest.
    Was he about to kick it? Not in my opinion, he'd lost it and was already falling/slowing down hence Tarkowski running into him.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,301
    Callumcafc said:

    If anyone wants to watch what happened...

    Haha... look at their No.20 gesturing to the ref, even he's pointing for a corner, nods and walks away in agreement when the ref signals for that
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,947
    edited March 2018
    Callumcafc said:

    If anyone wants to watch what happened...

    Never a pen.

    And definitely not a 'clear and obvious error'.

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