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Cambridge Analytica

Worth starting a separate thread about this?

Their involvement appears to permeate through everything in the last few years. Trump, Brexit, elections around the world. Looks like this story could run and run...

Will this be the last straw? Will people start taking their own privacy seriously?

Thoughts?
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  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 33,995
    GDPR
  • addick1965
    addick1965 Posts: 5,092
    I'm not telling you.
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948

    Worth starting a separate thread about this?

    Their involvement appears to permeate through everything in the last few years. Trump, Brexit, elections around the world. Looks like this story could run and run...

    Will this be the last straw? Will people start taking their own privacy seriously?

    Thoughts?

    Wtf are you going on about...

    ; )
  • IA
    IA Posts: 6,103
    Durham Analytica is just as good.
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,842
    IA said:

    Durham Analytica is just as good.

    Better than Thames Poly Analytica?
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,842
    stonemuse said:

    GDPR

    The right to be forgotten - yeah right, that's going to work well online!!
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    edited March 2018
    Not as good as Battlestar Ganalytica
  • soapy_jones
    soapy_jones Posts: 21,350
    Someone opened that door and the whole of human kind fell through it... Who would of thought blasting your every move over the internet would leave you exposed to some nefarious action? Good luck closing that door chumps!
  • IdleHans
    IdleHans Posts: 10,957
    We're watching you too, Soapy.
  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,254
    Interesting to see what the reactions of the U.S law agencies will be. Extraditions maybe? Interfering with their election, surely they won’t take that lying down
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  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,254
    Btw on a separate note could all users keep sharing the things that annoy you, things that please you and things that confuse you, continue to let us know your thoughts on Brexit etc
  • IdleHans
    IdleHans Posts: 10,957
    edited March 2018
    Chivvying from junior-ranking mods

    Oops, wrong thread
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    cabbles said:

    Btw on a separate note could all users keep sharing the things that annoy you, things that please you and things that confuse you, continue to let us know your thoughts on Brexit etc

    We'll look into it...
  • What is the point of data protection laws that stop you and I getting useful info, but multi-nationals can exploit with impunity? Another example is DVLA info that seems widely available to cowboy parking firms and others at a price.
  • SDAddick
    SDAddick Posts: 14,467
    cabbles said:

    Interesting to see what the reactions of the U.S law agencies will be. Extraditions maybe? Interfering with their election, surely they won’t take that lying down

    Ummmmm...
  • SDAddick
    SDAddick Posts: 14,467
    Definitely worth it's own thread Callum, thank you.

    I want to echo what @PragueAddick said better than I will, this was around a year of investigative journalism by The Guardian/Observer (and the New York Times as well). Regardless of what you think of their Editorial Boards or Op-Ed sections, it is so important that if you can you pay for journalism. It helps funds things like this.
  • vff
    vff Posts: 6,881
    edited March 2018
    Channel 4 news investigation on this brilliant. Cambridge Analytica laid everything out. They misused data, seed negative stories & provide set ups. It may have been bragging but got Trump getting elected.

    They also laid out how they can evade scrutiny using outside contractors & secure emails that shred after 2 hours.

    Channel 4 excellent at picking up how the democratic vote is manipulated & rules twisted & broken. It won’t overturn previous votes but tries to prevent the same thing happening in the same way next time.

    Compelling stuff.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,313
    Hate to be a 'wrong board' pedant...but I guess that this is sport, really. The culture wars are just sport
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,835
    Can someone give a brief synopsis of what they have done please?

    Is it just like a bit of PR but done in a dodgy way?
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,620
    MrOneLung said:

    Can someone give a brief synopsis of what they have done please?

    Is it just like a bit of PR but done in a dodgy way?

    see @vff's post above.

    I've never really been into social media - I've got a facebook page (but probably only post on there a couple of times a year) and not into twitter. Just can't see why you'd want to share the minutiae details of your life & why anyone would want to know about them. It seems like CA have picked up on the ways all these things are linked & can get people to divulge stuff that is very interesting to political parties, large corporations, governments etc. Well folks, you all wanted your "friends" to "like" you....
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  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456
    I'm sure I've got analytica on my hall walls. We used to have woodchip.
  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456
    Is analytica similar to chickentica?
  • cafctom
    cafctom Posts: 11,364
    Addickted said:

    Is analytica similar to chickentica?

    More of an x-rated tribute act of Metallica.
  • Cardinal Sin
    Cardinal Sin Posts: 5,233
    Prepare for a long line of these. Data and access to data has been far more valuable than the vast majority of us realise and that data has been sold and exploited for a much longer time than we would believe. Ask yourself a couple of questions - why are most email services provided free-of-charge? They give you the software, the email addresses and they host your data - all of that costs money but they never ask you for a bean. Similarly social media sites. They have hundreds of thousands of square feet of highly sophisticated and expensive computer equipment in temperature controlled, secure environments storing all your 'trivial' data and they don't charge you a cent? Yes, advertising brings in revenues but the real money is in manipulating that data, profiling you and using that intelligence to manage your environment and influence your behaviours, primarily in how you spend your money. In my view and from some experience, they often cross the line in terms of analysing that data in a way they shouldn't, selling it in a way they aren't entitled to and often accessing it via computers before you do, which is illegal.
  • E_cafc
    E_cafc Posts: 2,617
    "Charlton Analytica FC.....We're by far the grea........".........Oh, reading glasses where are ya!
  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,143
    edited March 2018
    MrOneLung said:

    Can someone give a brief synopsis of what they have done please?

    Is it just like a bit of PR but done in a dodgy way?

    Good video explainer here from the guys who have been working on this for two years.

    As I see it there are several strands to their wrongdoing. Important to start from the standpoint that there is nothing wrong with using social media to target messages more accurately than mass media advertising can do. That is fundamentally what Facebook and Google offer as businesses. However

    - CA have gained access to data people who have not given their permission. They may have your detials because you are simply a friend on Facebook of someone who supports Trump, or Jacob Rees- Mogg. Or worse you simply played a game on a Facebook App with such a person.

    - CA boasted that having got this massive cache they sent suitable targets messages which were manifestly fake news.

    - Where they don't have enough fake news, they create some, using entrapment. Sending Ukrainian girls around to the house of the targetted politician works very well accoring to Nix, on camera. Yes, I should think it does...

    - they are likely to have driven a coach and horse through the electoral budget rules in the US, and for sure in the UK (since these rules are overwhelmed by the new developments in social media)

    - although it is not in the current story, the Guardian will be back to Dominic Cummings (Leave EU head honcho) with some more questions about his involvement with CA. Bet the house on that.

    PS, I welcome corrections or additions to above, I am still struggling to take it all in.

  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    BUT THERE IS NO COLLUSION.

    What about Killary and her emails?
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    The CL ads often reflect recent online activity.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    Yes, and remember that Tory MP moaning about ads for Thai Brides on the official Labour site when it simply reflected his previous searches.
  • TelMc32
    TelMc32 Posts: 9,044
    Ownership of CA includes Robert Mercer, a hedge fund CEO, who funded CA's work on Farage's strand of the Brexit/Leave campaign and was a major contributor to first Cruz and then Trump's presidential campaigns. He's also a major funder of Breitbart, obviously synonymous with Steve Bannon...also a co-founder of Cambridge Analytica.

    Nix is a small cog in this, but has other outlets for his shady dealings as a director, along with members of the Mercer family in Emerdata Limited, recently set up. Regardless of whether their power is real or bravado, I suspect these businesses will fall away, but the players will continue their practices in the shadows.