Charlton v Oxford 3/2/18 post-match views
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I don't often comment on home games as I feel most Lifers will have seen them for themselves and there's plenty of feedback on here anyway.
But I wanted to post my agreement with those who've made the point about our subs.
As we walked back to the car, somewhat despondently, I remarked that Curbs would have shored up our defence by bringing on a player of Bauer's ilk & that it felt as though Robbo wanted to show off his 2 new additions to the squad...
I haven't listened to/read the gaffer's post match comments but understand he didn't endeavour to defend his choice of subs which is very disappointing when most of us in the home stands would have strongly advised him to think again.
Whilst I wouldn't criticise a manager for trying to win a match, we WERE in front at the time & surely he was aware that Oxford wouldn't go down without a fight by the way in which they were constantly coming forward.
It took me some time after the final whistle to process what had occurred in those last few minutes & I'm sure the majority of Addicks had similar thoughts. Let's hope that weather permits a decent week's training at SL before the trip to Doncaster & that work is done on the defensive/midfield weaknesses others have pointed out.
Watching MOTD tonight reminds me of yet another midfield maestro we lost, who is ever present AND influential in his team's performances....Dale Stephens. What a difference a player of his quality would make to our current squad.16 -
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A classic example of Charlton snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
It all started nicely with De Silva and Mavididi combining well on the left and, to a lesser extent, Solly and Marshall on the right to stretch and move the Oxford defenders. However, as so often this season, there was no end product. Eastwood in the Oxford goal didn't have a save worthy of the name to make despite crosses of varying heights coming into the box. The most dangerous moment of this period came from a cross following a run into the channel from Magennis which (I think) Fosu just failed to connect with. If it wasn't Tarique it was Steffi.
Inevitably Oxford gained a foothold and began to press themselves and the difference in the potency of the two sides was demonstrated by Obika's smart turn and shot which struck the angle of the upright and crossbar. One attack one moment of danger compared to all our possession yet not one save by Eastwood. The two teams pretty much cancelled each other out for the remainder of the first half with neither goalkeeper being troubled.
Second half we came out with intent and Eastwood made his first save at his near post from a shot by Magennis. However that warning shot across their bows seemed to galvanise Oxford and they had a good spell which prompted me to say to @Len\'s_little_girl , who, much to my delight, was able to attend, that this had 1-0 Oxford written all over it. At this point we broke away and after a series of blocks by the Oxford defenders the ball fell to Ahmed Kashi who took his spot to put us 1 up.
Rather than push on we sat back and substitute James Henry shot from distance to equalise. We reacted positively from the kick off and Da Silva made a great run before crossing to feet for Big Josh to bury it. 2-1 to Charlton!
Did we learn and try to build on this lead? No. Oxford dusted themselves down and attacked us and, unlike us, were not afraid to have a shot and work the goalkeeper. Another shot from distance gave them the equaliser right at the end of 'normal' time and rejuvenated by this they battered us in time added on to nick a winner.
At times we played them off the park yet were unable to create anything meaningful other than our 2 goals and the shot saved at the near post mentioned earlier. In contrast Oxford were not afraid to shoot and those shots produced 3 goals and 2 more hit the woodwork.
If we don't capitalise on our dominance we can forget play-off aspirations. Oxford are a good midtable to top 8 side who play for each other but no better than that in my opinion. A team with serious promotion aspirations wins home matches against such opposition.
The two new loanees showed a couple of encouraging moments even if Zyro's attempt at a shot looked positively Simon Churchlike! I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt and say he was trying to place it.
A good day for me with @Len\'s_little_girl but despite that I feel disappointed and think we will rue this missed opportunity of 3 points.11 -
First rule of Robinson transfers.... be prone to injury.stonemuse said:4 -
KR states that our best players today were JFC and Kashi and that the rest of the team let them down.
I sit opposite side of the park to KR and, as much as I have to respect his greater knowledge, I cannot accept him including Big Josh in this critique - in terms of work rate and desire, today was possibly Josh’s best game.
I can only assume there’s bad blood between KR and Big Josh over recent events relating to the interest from Bolton.
JFC did not float my boat today.
KR talked of wingers failing to support our full backs plus us failing to track their runners.
This is quite ironic as the wingers who failed to support the full backs must be his substitutes Kaikai and Zyro.
The players who should have tracked the runners would be JFC and Kashi - the very two players KR identified as our best players.
It’s harsh on Aribo that he should get it in the neck when they score their equaliser 1 minute after he comes on when he’s not even up to speed.
Had KR brought on a defender such as Bauer or even JJ, things might have been very different.
I like Robinson and wish him well but he needs to take off his rose-tinted specs and admit when he’s got it wrong.11 -
You played well when you came on as sub for Obika...NapaAddick said:
First rule of Robinson transfers.... be prone to injury.stonemuse said:7 -
Tbf to KR he came to the presser 10 mins after the match. On Thursday he will be more relaxed. And he will see it differently.purdis said:KR states that our best players today were JFC and Kashi and that the rest of the team let them down.
I sit opposite side of the park to KR and, as much as I have to respect his greater knowledge, I cannot accept him including Big Josh in this critique - in terms of work rate and desire, today was possibly Josh’s best game.
I can only assume there’s bad blood between KR and Big Josh over recent events relating to the interest from Bolton.
JFC did not float my boat today.
KR talked of wingers failing to support our full backs plus us failing to track their runners.
This is quite ironic as the wingers who failed to support the full backs must be his substitutes Kaikai and Zyro.
The players who should have tracked the runners would be JFC and Kashi - the very two players KR identified as our best players.
It’s harsh on Aribo that he should get it in the neck when they score their equaliser 1 minute after he comes on when he’s not even up to speed.
Had KR brought on a defender such as Bauer or even JJ, things might have been very different.
I like Robinson and wish him well but he needs to take off his rose-tinted specs and admit when he’s got it wrong.2 -
Because it may be a condition of their loans?Dansk_Red said:Why bring on 2 subs at the same time who only have been at the club for less than a week, who have not played in the team before or played together. Taking Marshall off for Zyro left Solly totally exposed and no outlet down the right side as Zyro kept drifting in the middle, KR needs to put his hand up for the bad subs.
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He wont get that because he wasn't there.LenGlover said:
You played well when you came on as sub for Obika...NapaAddick said:
First rule of Robinson transfers.... be prone to injury.stonemuse said:
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Don't worry, we can always play KAG if mavididi is out injured...........NapaAddick said:
First rule of Robinson transfers.... be prone to injury.stonemuse said:2 -
Oh wait....golfaddick said:
Don't worry, we can always play KAG if mavididi is out injured...........NapaAddick said:
First rule of Robinson transfers.... be prone to injury.stonemuse said:1 - Sponsored links:
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Exactly. See my post on the KAG thread for more observations.AddickFC81 said:
Oh wait....golfaddick said:
Don't worry, we can always play KAG if mavididi is out injured...........NapaAddick said:
First rule of Robinson transfers.... be prone to injury.stonemuse said:
f**king clueless manager.2 -
We now have plenty of cover without needing KAG who will benefit hugely from a run of games being the main man for Crawley.
Magennis, Zyro, Kaikai, Fosu, Reeves, Marshall, Aribo... more than adequate. Seven players for four positions there and Mavididi might be fine by next weekend anyway.4 -
With a hammy? Think one week is pushing it tbh.Callumcafc said:We now have plenty of cover without needing KAG who will benefit hugely from a run of games being the main man for Crawley.
Magennis, Zyro, Kaikai, Fosu, Reeves, Marshall, Aribo... more than adequate. Seven players for four positions there and Mavididi might be fine by next weekend anyway.1 -
Not with KR at the helm. He'll play him even if he's not fit.AddickFC81 said:
With a hammy? Think one week is pushing it tbh.Callumcafc said:We now have plenty of cover without needing KAG who will benefit hugely from a run of games being the main man for Crawley.
Magennis, Zyro, Kaikai, Fosu, Reeves, Marshall, Aribo... more than adequate. Seven players for four positions there and Mavididi might be fine by next weekend anyway.4 -
In that case let's play Billy Clarke....golfaddick said:
Not with KR at the helm. He'll play him even if he's not fit.AddickFC81 said:
With a hammy? Think one week is pushing it tbh.Callumcafc said:We now have plenty of cover without needing KAG who will benefit hugely from a run of games being the main man for Crawley.
Magennis, Zyro, Kaikai, Fosu, Reeves, Marshall, Aribo... more than adequate. Seven players for four positions there and Mavididi might be fine by next weekend anyway.1 -
Ridiculous clueless panicking defense like ours can't be blamed on individuals. Its lack of structure and clearly defined roles.
Incompetent manager I'm afraid...8 -
Up to 85 minutes I was thinking this is a good Charlton performance. The last 10 minutes was rubbish and typical Charlton. Naivete at it's worse. I actually blame Robinson but the players were on the pitch. The defense was atrocious. Hadn't Oxford already hit the woodwork twice before the meltdown?2
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Who knows how bad it is at this point? Might just be a bit sore... even if he's out for a month or so, we have enough cover to name a squad that should be one of the best in the division.AddickFC81 said:
With a hammy? Think one week is pushing it tbh.Callumcafc said:We now have plenty of cover without needing KAG who will benefit hugely from a run of games being the main man for Crawley.
Magennis, Zyro, Kaikai, Fosu, Reeves, Marshall, Aribo... more than adequate. Seven players for four positions there and Mavididi might be fine by next weekend anyway.
This is just crazy overreaction after a disappointing loss. KAG has potential and I'm one of his biggest fans on here but let's not pretend that he was on fire before he left on loan.0 -
As we walked to the ground myself and 3 sons (one has managed to get out of going cos he’s in to cars and airplanes not sport , weirdo) made our pre match predictions and I said that our defence is pony and there were goals in today’s game and predicted a 3-2 victory for us , alas they were worse than I thought .
Half time and my 5 nearly 6 year old was pleading to go home .
He was bouncing around like a loon when we scored and then when they got their 3rd pleading again to leave cos we’ve definitely lost .
On the way home he asks if he can go to his first night match v Bradford on the evening of his birthday , I said well none of this wanting to go at half time stuff then .
As I put the little lad to bed he asked could he support another team as well as Charlton , a firm ‘NO’ came his way. “what about Barcelona , grandad likes them”.
I said ‘I like watching them but we can only support Charlton and England’
“When I’m older can I support someone else “ I said ‘NO don’t forget what we were singing earlier “ I’m Charlton till I die” and that means I’m Charlton forever’
He asked “when you die , can I support someone else” oh fffs ‘ NO you’re Charlton forever and so will your kids and their kids be !’
Tough life trying to force /brainwash kids to support that crock of shit and in all honesty if they weren’t given a rare go on the iPad for the hour plus journey there and back I’m not sure they’d be so easily persuaded to go .
Today’s game wound me up no end and it’s all been said , just a quick note on the two newbies and obviously too early to mean anything but I thought Zyro and Kaikai looked a little heavy and slow mo in their movements .
0% Top two ........ 30% 3rd-6th ....... 67% 7th-12th ........3%13th-20th .......0% Relegation
100% Roland OUT
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Rather than pick out individuals I thought we defended poorly as a unit.
Poor throughout the game when we didn't have the ball. This was only made worse by the introduction of Kaikai and Zylo. Marshall receives a fair bit of stick, but at least he puts in a shift with his tracking back. Would hate to see Da Silva stopped from making attacking runs, but he needs cover when doing so. There must be triggers during the game when the players take a more disciplined approach.
As much as I've craved the introduction of skilled, good to watch football players at the Valley, I now fear we have too many.13 - Sponsored links:
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Still gutted this morning. I see Lennon and Konsa getting scapegoated but when goals 2 and 3 came down the wing it’s hard to see where they are at fault. What should not have happened was Henry getting his shot off with 4 players around him. At 2-2 I thought that there was going to be a late winner but not from us with the way we lost possesion.1
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He would do better then to keep his mouth shut and say less rather than more - picking out certain players and blaming the rest doesn't do much for team building. Better to take the blame for the team as a whole and just say they will look into what went wrong over the next few days.AddickFC81 said:
Tbf to KR he came to the presser 10 mins after the match. On Thursday he will be more relaxed. And he will see it differently.purdis said:KR states that our best players today were JFC and Kashi and that the rest of the team let them down.
I sit opposite side of the park to KR and, as much as I have to respect his greater knowledge, I cannot accept him including Big Josh in this critique - in terms of work rate and desire, today was possibly Josh’s best game.
I can only assume there’s bad blood between KR and Big Josh over recent events relating to the interest from Bolton.
JFC did not float my boat today.
KR talked of wingers failing to support our full backs plus us failing to track their runners.
This is quite ironic as the wingers who failed to support the full backs must be his substitutes Kaikai and Zyro.
The players who should have tracked the runners would be JFC and Kashi - the very two players KR identified as our best players.
It’s harsh on Aribo that he should get it in the neck when they score their equaliser 1 minute after he comes on when he’s not even up to speed.
Had KR brought on a defender such as Bauer or even JJ, things might have been very different.
I like Robinson and wish him well but he needs to take off his rose-tinted specs and admit when he’s got it wrong.4 -
why oh why do managers change teams that are winning games,taking off attacking players to replace them with midfielders,just gives the opposition the initiative,and boy did Oxford exploit it.All the time Marshall or Fosu were playing they were an outlet and could hold the ball in the opposing half(I know neither had a great game)also they both tracked back well,once they were both gone,Oxford defenders had a easy ride and could play the ball out at will.dont want to knock Robbo too much but this was a cock up.8
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A bit like CLB then.blackpool72 said:No
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I would have taken off an attacking player and brought on Bauer if I'm honest. Or Jackson.thickandthin63 said:why oh why do managers change teams that are winning games,taking off attacking players to replace them with midfielders,just gives the opposition the initiative,and boy did Oxford exploit it.All the time Marshall or Fosu were playing they were an outlet and could hold the ball in the opposing half(I know neither had a great game)also they both tracked back well,once they were both gone,Oxford defenders had a easy ride and could play the ball out at will.dont want to knock Robbo too much but this was a cock up.
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Regardless of what's happening behind the scenes, this just seems to confirm Robinson's glaring tactical limitations, in this instance closing out a match. He certainly says what most fans want to hear but what matters in on the pitch. It's also disappointing that again he has criticised his players for the late goals ... whatever his frustrations, that's for the privacy of the dressing-room and for him to work on with them. Too often his words seem aimed at how he comes across to the public and washing his hands when things go wrong or when he thinks they will go wrong.4
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The game was so open we needed some kind of organisation and structure when we had missed those chances to go 3-1 up.
Personally I would have kept on Marshall as he offers much better support to Solly, even if he was getting tired or not having a good game, it was too open to risk not having that extra support.
I would have brought Kaikai on for Mavididi and tell him to protect Dasilva as much as possible as well as counter quickly when we get it.
I then finally would’ve also brought on Jackson for Fosu as soon as we went 2-1 up, - having Kashi and Jackson sitting and protecting with more organisation and Forster Caskey to be the one who is looking to release the front 3.
Slight tweaks to the tactical changes we could’ve made and I think it would’ve made a big difference to the result.
Ultimately, it didn’t happen and we lost out on 3 very important points that would’ve put us in a strong position. Magennis deserves credit because I thought he was immense, so happy for him to get his goal but also the work he put in, some of the crosses were fantastic, just a shame it wasn’t him on the end of them.
Next game we need Bauer back in defence, we look like there’s an accident waiting to happen every time we have the ball or an opposing team attacks us.8 -
100%. We looked all over the place at the back. Bauer and Pearce back at CB can’t come soon enough. I’d look to do something at RB as well....as much I have liked Solly over the years, I’m not convinced by him at all anymore. The only real option is Konsa going there - not ideal I know.Sage said:The game was so open we needed some kind of organisation and structure when we had missed those chances to go 3-1 up.
Personally I would have kept on Marshall as he offers much better support to Solly, even if he was getting tired or not having a good game, it was too open to risk not having that extra support.
I would have brought Kaikai on for Mavididi and tell him to protect Dasilva as much as possible as well as counter quickly when we get it.
I then finally would’ve also brought on Jackson for Fosu as soon as we went 2-1 up, - having Kashi and Jackson sitting and protecting with more organisation and Forster Caskey to be the one who is looking to release the front 3.
Slight tweaks to the tactical changes we could’ve made and I think it would’ve made a big difference to the result.
Ultimately, it didn’t happen and we lost out on 3 very important points that would’ve put us in a strong position. Magennis deserves credit because I thought he was immense, so happy for him to get his goal but also the work he put in, some of the crosses were fantastic, just a shame it wasn’t him on the end of them.
Next game we need Bauer back in defence, we look like there’s an accident waiting to happen every time we have the ball or an opposing team attacks us.
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Things to remember.
Kashi scored.
MAG scored.
We attacked well.
The loanees got their first performances out the way and can only build from there.0 -
When Bauer and Pearce are back, I think we will look a lot better and I think Solly will too. I think he is consciously aware of the frailties we have in defence and I think that’s affecting his game.ricky_otto said:
100%. We looked all over the place at the back. Bauer and Pearce back at CB can’t come soon enough. I’d look to do something at RB as well....as much I have liked Solly over the years, I’m not convinced by him at all anymore. The only real option is Konsa going there - not idea I know.Sage said:The game was so open we needed some kind of organisation and structure when we had missed those chances to go 3-1 up.
Personally I would have kept on Marshall as he offers much better support to Solly, even if he was getting tired or not having a good game, it was too open to risk not having that extra support.
I would have brought Kaikai on for Mavididi and tell him to protect Dasilva as much as possible as well as counter quickly when we get it.
I then finally would’ve also brought on Jackson for Fosu as soon as we went 2-1 up, - having Kashi and Jackson sitting and protecting with more organisation and Forster Caskey to be the one who is looking to release the front 3.
Slight tweaks to the tactical changes we could’ve made and I think it would’ve made a big difference to the result.
Ultimately, it didn’t happen and we lost out on 3 very important points that would’ve put us in a strong position. Magennis deserves credit because I thought he was immense, so happy for him to get his goal but also the work he put in, some of the crosses were fantastic, just a shame it wasn’t him on the end of them.
Next game we need Bauer back in defence, we look like there’s an accident waiting to happen every time we have the ball or an opposing team attacks us.
I don’t like Konsa at full back as his positioning is wrong, he gets beaten a lot and doesn’t offer anything going forward. There is something that needs to change and it’s such a shame to see Solly not hitting those heights he did before, as we all know how quality he really is.
It wouldn’t happen I know, but I really wouldn’t mind us trying something like this:Amos
Konsa Bauer Pearce
Solly Kashi Forster-Caskey Dasilva
Fosu Kaikai
Magennis
It might seem a bit defensive and lop-sided at times but I think it will allow Dasilva to play a bit more freely and allow Forster-Caskey to not have such a burden on him defensively.
We have many options now to change things and move forward, we have to be smart, clever, be more wise within the game.
Get top six and we got a good chance.1
