Benefit Scandal
I’ve created the above petition as I’m getting so fed up of saying to those on benefits who are more than capable of working but they’d be far worse off if they do that.
I call on the Goverment to review this so it’s more easier for those people to get a job. Why is the Goverment paying so much welfare but not encouraging to get a job?
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Universal Credit
It's been all over the news0 -
The whole point of it is 'making work pay and 'always better off in work'Henry Irving said:Universal Credit
It's been all over the news2 -
Universal credit has "fixed" this.3
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yes, it's why so many of those in poverty and on benefits are also working now.EveshamAddick said:Universal credit has "fixed" this.
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The link takes you straight to the sign page. Don you have a link that takes you to the actual petition itself?DiscoCAFC said:https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/211127/sponsors/new?token=dSoTiU8QfFuDEjhrmsA0
I’ve created the above petition as I’m getting so fed up of saying to those on benefits who are more than capable of working but they’d be far worse off if they do that.
I call on the Goverment to review this so it’s more easier for those people to get a job. Why is the Goverment paying so much welfare but not encouraging to get a job?3 -
Not sure what your stance is, are you saying all people on Benefits are lazy scroungers?DiscoCAFC said:https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/211127/sponsors/new?token=dSoTiU8QfFuDEjhrmsA0
I’ve created the above petition as I’m getting so fed up of saying to those on benefits who are more than capable of working but they’d be far worse off if they do that.
I call on the Goverment to review this so it’s more easier for those people to get a job. Why is the Goverment paying so much welfare but not encouraging to get a job?
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That it doesn’t pay to work because they’d be worse off?4 -
Tick tock tick tock...1
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£12.4bn is missed in unclaimed benefits.
£5bn is lost in tax evasion.
£1.2 is lost in benefits fraud.
http://theconversation.com/britains-unclaimed-benefits-four-million-families-miss-out-on-12-4-billion-84153
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/its-time-to-bust-some-myths-about-benefit-fraud-and-tax-evasion-9520562.html
Let's start cracking down on tax evasion and helping people get the money they're owed.
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£12+bn of unclaimed benefits is a huge number, thats almost £200 for every single person in the UK.
I still advocate simplifying it and removing almost all benefits (a few I'd keep like disability etc) and pay everyone a basic amount to live on. Thereafter if you work you are taxed on the lot at probably higher than 20%. It would overnight remove almost all fraud and unclaimed benefits and streamline a system that has become a hugely complicated industry.4 -
There was a visionary politician who formed his own party. The basic living income was one of their key policies.Rob7Lee said:£12+bn of unclaimed benefits is a huge number, thats almost £200 for every single person in the UK.
I still advocate simplifying it and removing almost all benefits (a few I'd keep like disability etc) and pay everyone a basic amount to live on. Thereafter if you work you are taxed on the lot at probably higher than 20%. It would overnight remove almost all fraud and unclaimed benefits and streamline a system that has become a hugely complicated industry.
Unfortunately, not enough people could see his genius.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivant22 - Sponsored links:
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Kill me now!Henry Irving said:
There was a visionary politician who formed his own party. The basic living income was one of their key policies.Rob7Lee said:£12+bn of unclaimed benefits is a huge number, thats almost £200 for every single person in the UK.
I still advocate simplifying it and removing almost all benefits (a few I'd keep like disability etc) and pay everyone a basic amount to live on. Thereafter if you work you are taxed on the lot at probably higher than 20%. It would overnight remove almost all fraud and unclaimed benefits and streamline a system that has become a hugely complicated industry.
Unfortunately, not enough people could see his genius.
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Spot on .SDAddick said:£12.4bn is missed in unclaimed benefits.
£5bn is lost in tax evasion.
£1.2 is lost in benefits fraud.
http://theconversation.com/britains-unclaimed-benefits-four-million-families-miss-out-on-12-4-billion-84153
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/its-time-to-bust-some-myths-about-benefit-fraud-and-tax-evasion-9520562.html
Let's start cracking down on tax evasion and helping people get the money they're owed.0 -
you're getting fed up of saying what to them? I think you've missed out some words so I have no idea whether I agree with you or notDiscoCAFC said:https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/211127/sponsors/new?token=dSoTiU8QfFuDEjhrmsA0
I’ve created the above petition as I’m getting so fed up of saying to those on benefits who are more than capable of working but they’d be far worse off if they do that.
I call on the Goverment to review this so it’s more easier for those people to get a job. Why is the Goverment paying so much welfare but not encouraging to get a job?
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No, let’s crackdown on both of them, you can’t pick & choose which law breaking should be tackled.SDAddick said:£12.4bn is missed in unclaimed benefits.
£5bn is lost in tax evasion.
£1.2 is lost in benefits fraud.
http://theconversation.com/britains-unclaimed-benefits-four-million-families-miss-out-on-12-4-billion-84153
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/its-time-to-bust-some-myths-about-benefit-fraud-and-tax-evasion-9520562.html
Let's start cracking down on tax evasion and helping people get the money they're owed.3 -
didn’t Sweden (or rather, the people) recently vote against this proposal?Rob7Lee said:£12+bn of unclaimed benefits is a huge number, thats almost £200 for every single person in the UK.
I still advocate simplifying it and removing almost all benefits (a few I'd keep like disability etc) and pay everyone a basic amount to live on. Thereafter if you work you are taxed on the lot at probably higher than 20%. It would overnight remove almost all fraud and unclaimed benefits and streamline a system that has become a hugely complicated industry.0 -
I think concentrating on tax evasion is being a bit hasty lads
Lets put all the effort into unclaimed benefits and benefit fraud.
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Trouble is most tax avoidance happens through legal loopholes and so isn't breaking the law. Benefit fraud is breaking the law so that's why it's targeted.DA9 said:
No, let’s crackdown on both of them, you can’t pick & choose which law breaking should be tackled.SDAddick said:£12.4bn is missed in unclaimed benefits.
£5bn is lost in tax evasion.
£1.2 is lost in benefits fraud.
http://theconversation.com/britains-unclaimed-benefits-four-million-families-miss-out-on-12-4-billion-84153
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/its-time-to-bust-some-myths-about-benefit-fraud-and-tax-evasion-9520562.html
Let's start cracking down on tax evasion and helping people get the money they're owed.
Don't think that's right. But until something is changed (which will need international agreements on the tax front) that's the way it is.0 -
Same idiot nearly managed to destroy a football club single-handed.Henry Irving said:
There was a visionary politician who formed his own party. The basic living income was one of their key policies.Rob7Lee said:£12+bn of unclaimed benefits is a huge number, thats almost £200 for every single person in the UK.
I still advocate simplifying it and removing almost all benefits (a few I'd keep like disability etc) and pay everyone a basic amount to live on. Thereafter if you work you are taxed on the lot at probably higher than 20%. It would overnight remove almost all fraud and unclaimed benefits and streamline a system that has become a hugely complicated industry.
Unfortunately, not enough people could see his genius.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivant
But that doesn't mean the football club is a bad thing!3 -
"Elon Musk says robots will push us to a universal basic income"Rob7Lee said:£12+bn of unclaimed benefits is a huge number, thats almost £200 for every single person in the UK.
I still advocate simplifying it and removing almost all benefits (a few I'd keep like disability etc) and pay everyone a basic amount to live on. Thereafter if you work you are taxed on the lot at probably higher than 20%. It would overnight remove almost all fraud and unclaimed benefits and streamline a system that has become a hugely complicated industry.
https://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/18/elon-musk-says-robots-will-push-us-to-a-universal-basic-income-heres-how-it-would-work.html0 -
I'm a visionary ahead of my timeCallumcafc said:
"Elon Musk says robots will push us to a universal basic income"Rob7Lee said:£12+bn of unclaimed benefits is a huge number, thats almost £200 for every single person in the UK.
I still advocate simplifying it and removing almost all benefits (a few I'd keep like disability etc) and pay everyone a basic amount to live on. Thereafter if you work you are taxed on the lot at probably higher than 20%. It would overnight remove almost all fraud and unclaimed benefits and streamline a system that has become a hugely complicated industry.
https://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/18/elon-musk-says-robots-will-push-us-to-a-universal-basic-income-heres-how-it-would-work.html
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True, but if there are genuine cases of tax avoidance (no loopholes, just pure unadulterated law breaking) then we should be going after them.cantersaddick said:
Trouble is most tax avoidance happens through legal loopholes and so isn't breaking the law. Benefit fraud is breaking the law so that's why it's targeted.DA9 said:
No, let’s crackdown on both of them, you can’t pick & choose which law breaking should be tackled.SDAddick said:£12.4bn is missed in unclaimed benefits.
£5bn is lost in tax evasion.
£1.2 is lost in benefits fraud.
http://theconversation.com/britains-unclaimed-benefits-four-million-families-miss-out-on-12-4-billion-84153
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/its-time-to-bust-some-myths-about-benefit-fraud-and-tax-evasion-9520562.html
Let's start cracking down on tax evasion and helping people get the money they're owed.
Don't think that's right. But until something is changed (which will need international agreements on the tax front) that's the way it is.
I’ve always despised the fact that a lot of people will happily back the law and government in attempts to chase the tax avoiders, but are equally happy to ignore and almost forgive any benefit fraudsters, and try to justify it because the figures are lower.1 -
If these statistics are reliable it is patently obvious why HMG doesn't actually give a flying fuck about tax evasion or the poor (deserving or otherwise).SDAddick said:£12.4bn is missed in unclaimed benefits.
£5bn is lost in tax evasion.
£1.2 is lost in benefits fraud.
http://theconversation.com/britains-unclaimed-benefits-four-million-families-miss-out-on-12-4-billion-84153
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/its-time-to-bust-some-myths-about-benefit-fraud-and-tax-evasion-9520562.html
Improving knowledge about the benefits that already exist would ruin the budget and tidying up the other two (even if that's feasible) won't cover half the cost of the less fortunate receiving that to which they are entitled.
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For the record UC is expected to reduce unclaimed benefits by a few billion due to it being 1 claim to the whole system rather than up to 6 different claims as it was before.1
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It's not just the authorities turning a blind eye to tax evasion/aggressive avoidance versus benefit fraud though. I can't link to the original piece due to the paywall in The Times but they recently did a piece on the prevalence of insider trading, the effects on the wider economy and the disparity in resouces thrown at the two types of crime.
The FCA prosecuted just 8(?) cases of insider trading in the last 5 years. The DWP prosecuted 10,000(?) cases of benefit fraud last year. Yes, they're different crimes and yes one's more complicated than the other but it's also a political reflection of the attitude to fraud and the resources thrown at it. From memory again I think there were 4000 investigators looking at benefit fraud and just 65 looking at insider trading. Yet the Times piece found unusual price movements in around 2/3rds of cases where a profit warning was issued the following day. That ain't any coincidence is it!
Was an interesting article, maybe someone could confirm the figures as mine are from memory?4 -
Tax Evasion and Tax Avoidance are different.cantersaddick said:
Trouble is most tax avoidance happens through legal loopholes and so isn't breaking the law. Benefit fraud is breaking the law so that's why it's targeted.DA9 said:
No, let’s crackdown on both of them, you can’t pick & choose which law breaking should be tackled.SDAddick said:£12.4bn is missed in unclaimed benefits.
£5bn is lost in tax evasion.
£1.2 is lost in benefits fraud.
http://theconversation.com/britains-unclaimed-benefits-four-million-families-miss-out-on-12-4-billion-84153
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/its-time-to-bust-some-myths-about-benefit-fraud-and-tax-evasion-9520562.html
Let's start cracking down on tax evasion and helping people get the money they're owed.
Don't think that's right. But until something is changed (which will need international agreements on the tax front) that's the way it is.
One is legal one is not.
Too many people confuse the two. I appreciate as an economist you know the difference @cantersaddick but your post is conveniently placed amongst others to allow me to emphasise the point.1 -
I do know the difference but I believe the stat above quoted as 5bn in evasion is wrong and will include at least some elements of avoidance.LenGlover said:
Tax Evasion and Tax Avoidance are different.cantersaddick said:
Trouble is most tax avoidance happens through legal loopholes and so isn't breaking the law. Benefit fraud is breaking the law so that's why it's targeted.DA9 said:
No, let’s crackdown on both of them, you can’t pick & choose which law breaking should be tackled.SDAddick said:£12.4bn is missed in unclaimed benefits.
£5bn is lost in tax evasion.
£1.2 is lost in benefits fraud.
http://theconversation.com/britains-unclaimed-benefits-four-million-families-miss-out-on-12-4-billion-84153
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/its-time-to-bust-some-myths-about-benefit-fraud-and-tax-evasion-9520562.html
Let's start cracking down on tax evasion and helping people get the money they're owed.
Don't think that's right. But until something is changed (which will need international agreements on the tax front) that's the way it is.
One is legal one is not.
Too many people confuse the two. I appreciate as an economist you know the difference @cantersaddick but your post is conveniently placed amongst others to allow me to emphasise the point.0 -
I believe the £5 billion figure refers to illegal tax evasion, not legal tax avoidance, so is just as much breaking the law as benefit fraud.cantersaddick said:
Trouble is most tax avoidance happens through legal loopholes and so isn't breaking the law. Benefit fraud is breaking the law so that's why it's targeted.DA9 said:
No, let’s crackdown on both of them, you can’t pick & choose which law breaking should be tackled.SDAddick said:£12.4bn is missed in unclaimed benefits.
£5bn is lost in tax evasion.
£1.2 is lost in benefits fraud.
http://theconversation.com/britains-unclaimed-benefits-four-million-families-miss-out-on-12-4-billion-84153
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/its-time-to-bust-some-myths-about-benefit-fraud-and-tax-evasion-9520562.html
Let's start cracking down on tax evasion and helping people get the money they're owed.
Don't think that's right. But until something is changed (which will need international agreements on the tax front) that's the way it is.
EDIT: Just seen your post above. HMRC's own figures put tax evasion at £4.4 billion and tax avoidance at £2.7 billion in 2013/4 (https://fullfact.org/economy/tax-avoidance-evasion-uk/). Not sure what the most recent figures are (by which I mean I can't be bothered to try and find out).0 -
How do they know evasion costs £5bn?
If it's being evaded then surely there aren't any figures to calculate how much is 'lost'.
Successive Governments have always talked about cracking down on avoidance, but there always seems to be schemes and scam for very rich individuals and Corporations conning us out of money that is desperately needed by the exchequer.
I begin with heavy fines (related to turnover) of the big accountancy firms that allow this to happen.
And am I the only one who thinks that UC is actually a good idea in the long run? Particularly for those that don't claim their full benefit entitlements.2 -
I wonder what percentage of people on here have benefited from tax evasion. Most cash based trades people I know fiddle it.0
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I reckon it's actually a petition to get DISCOCAFC a new car.
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