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Recent downturn - General thoughts
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KR only has one formation. MK fans did warn us on this.5
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It's simply Groundhog Day. Each week a team chucks the ball in our box chaos follows and the ball ends up in our net, recently we even have resorted to our own players managing to get the vital touch just to make life easier for the opposition.
We are then given the ball in the firm knowledge that we will go sideways or back and when we do go forward we can't score. This then creates the illusion that having 60% possession actually means anything when we have a come away with no points.
In the unlikely event we get additional resources coming in during January (minus Konsa leaving) it won't change the blind mentality that the current system is the only way that we can play in this league.
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Think the 'Sussed out' stuff is a bit too basic to be honest
One thing that has hit home. Letting Lee Novak go with no replacement lined up / through the door looks utterly ridiculous, amateurish at best15 -
But in League One we'll not be able to attract better players than we have already.jonseventyfive said:This system/style of play, I don't think it's that bad it just needs better players,
We need to examine how we can adapt the formation to get the best out of the players we have already.
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insufficient investment or ambition from the owner combined with us all realising we are not as good as we hoped we were.
There are not enough goals in the team and signing a journeyman, loanee or another lightweight injury prone midfielder will not be the answer.2 -
And will ultimately cost us a playoff place.AFKABartram said:Think the 'Sussed out' stuff is a bit too basic to be honest
One thing that has hit home. Letting Lee Novak go with no replacement lined up / through the door looks utterly ridiculous, amateurish at best
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This may not be as catchy as the popular saying, but I believe it's more accurate:
When a fish rots, the organs in the gut go first. If you can’t tell that a fish is rotting by the smell of it, you’ll sure know when you cut it open and everything pours out — when all the internal tissue loses its integrity and turns into liquid.
Cut Charlton in half all you'll find is rotting slush and mush. We cannot expect to have a successful team until the idiots that have a stranglehold on our club finally let go of it.14 -
Duchatelet.
He's cast a general malaise over the entire club. It won't go until he's gone.8 -
Same as I said in the post-match thread.
... no movement and too predictable. And boring...all the possession but again, did nothing with it....We're really struggling to create chances because the build up is too slow, the support isn't there and we overplay it.1 -
Fox should be dropped18
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Predicted at the start of the season that we'd start disintegrating in October, so well done to Robinson for delaying the inevitable by a few weeks.
No need for a detailed inquest. As has been the case every season since these idiots arrived, we have a team but not a squad. Injuries, suspensions and loss of form are a fact of life for every side from Barcelona to Basingstoke but, as has been the case every year since Roland rolled in, we've planned on the basis that none of these things will happen at Charlton.
A few deluded folk in the summer suggesting we might sign Will Grigg or the bloke from Stevenage. Signed Joseph Dodoo on loan instead, a season-defining moment.
Expect us to sell rather than strengthen in January. Not gonna get better until he sells up.11 -
I think James has it here - over-performing earlier in the season. Surely there can be no doubters, come anotherJanuary trading deficit, that Duchatelet has zero interest or ambition and he isn't going to increase the debt mountain by investing in playing staff.JamesSeed said:Perhaps we were flattering to deceive earlier in the season. On our day we were playing some great football, but a thin squad was leaving cracks that were being papered over, with a couple of Holmes wonder goals raising the feelgood factor. But as pitches get heavier, injuries start accumulating, and other sides get more physical, we look like fading away.
Our real problem is that Mr Duchatelet sees Charlton as a more of a social club than a football team, and I'm afraid if he can't sell Charlton our decline may be long, slow and painful.1 -
Robinson is a good coach but he cannot adapt within a game. Poor tactically. He could do with a bit of experience as an assistant rather than Bowyer and Jackson.0
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I need to think about getting some glasses as this is how I first read this and it made no sense....AFKABartram said:
I’m sure someone will mate, selfishly disrupting labels with the ronettes.Horsfield9 said:I blame CARD !!!
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It's been said already. The problem simply is not enough goals in the team. If one or both of Fosu/Holmes are injured were screwed.
The only player who looked like scoring today was Reeves.....who actually played the best I've seen him play in Charlton shirt.
I don't think Magennis and Best have the confidence to score at the moment. We could play for 500 minutes and the current team would do well to bag more than one or two. Whereas Blackburn were direct, we seem to need to have 20 tippy tappy passes before we even get near their box.0 -
Injuries to Fosu and Clarke along with a dip in form for Holmes has really impacted what was already a team struggling to score goals.
Think at the other end we have been caught out with drop in form of players like Solly and bad mistakes that mean we are chasing games.
Robinson is one dimensional and when we are chasing games he does little to alter it so if we concede first we are screwed. He needs to be more proactive in changing things around. Yes we are short of players but getting rid of Novak when we didn't have anyone lined up was ridiculous and not giving aribo a game earlier in season was too.
The big slice of wages in reeves hasn't paid off yet either2 -
Maybe not but this guy is highly thought about amongst the Stevenage fans I know. He could be another Mcloud but he also could be another Clive M .Bedsaddick said:Hopefully the bad run means that KR will be given funds he needs and Matt Godden will be in his way to The Valley
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We were told that come the transfer window if we were challenging investment would be made so we are just making sure we are not.2
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Bromley addicks meeting AFKA blame JJ telling me we've not let a goal in in 20 games.AFKABartram said:Interested in people’s general thoughts on what might behind this recent downturn. Am I right in thinking that if it wasn’t for the last minute madness v Peterborough, this would have been five first team defeats in a row including the FA Cup?
That would have seemed inconceivable if you had suggested that 6 weeks ago.
What’s happening?
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The play has been poor for a while now. I think teams have simply started nullify the likes of Holmes, injuries haven’t helped, and Magennis needs more support. There’s a lot for Robbo to do to address this, and it would be helped by additions in Jan2
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We are not as good as we think we are. We are basically a top half of the table League one side. Not good enough, in my eyes to finish in a promotion or play off place. I think we will stay that way with Duchatelet in charge.12
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Thisdickplumb said:We are not as good as we think we are. We are basically a top half of the table League one side. Not good enough, in my eyes to finish in a promotion or play off place. I think we will stay that way with Duchatelet in charge.
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The drop in form was predictable with going into the season with one senior striker. Add in that Magennis had some intense World Cup games, it is no surprise that he is fatigued & not playing so well.
The absence of a another striker also makes it difficult for Robinson to play a different strategy (although it is questionable whether, he would or not). Decent managers know how to play 4231. It is important to be able to do something different. Charlton have been found out.0 -
In no particular order:
(1) Other sides have worked out Robinson's system, such as it is - they mark Holmes out of the game as much as possible, muscle our strikers out of the way and get 11 men behind the ball whenever we try to go forward
(2) Robinson doesn't seem to be able to address this
(3) We don't have a proven League One goalscorer
(4) We play elegant possession football (or at least try to) at a level where speed and physicality usually count for more
(5) The players aren't stupid and neither is Robinson: they know that with RD getting out of Sint Truidense he'll probably quit Charlton (or will try to do so) in the near future. In any club that can lead to some of them switching to auto
(6) Some bad luck? Dominating several games and not getting results + poor refereeing decisions?
(7) Two unusually strong sides in League One this season, Blackburn and Wigan.
It's Christmas and we're 6th with a game in hand. Some of this can be turned around. Let's hope it is.
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Not really a downturn - we've not looked that good at any stage. Mediocrity beckons again.1
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We are a mid table league one side . Unless serious money is spent in the window we will remain mid table . Depressing times for Charlton fans , it really is .1
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Robinson is not the messiah the team is woefully short in depth as far back as Walsall away we showed we can be a shower of shite proper poor, the swagger has gone and unless Robinson was a the messiah or a miracle man then this team will end up no higher than 8th and no lower than 15th
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and be out injuredBedsaddick said:Hopefully the bad run means that KR will be given funds he needs and Matt Godden will be in his way to The Valley
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Bit of investment in the transfer window and we'll be....OH...2
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This video reminds me of supporting Charlton. You turn up full of hope and expectation ... and then ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBBK2hjcPuA 7
