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Recent downturn - General thoughts
AFKABartram
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Interested in people’s general thoughts on what might behind this recent downturn. Am I right in thinking that if it wasn’t for the last minute madness v Peterborough, this would have been five first team defeats in a row including the FA Cup?
That would have seemed inconceivable if you had suggested that 6 weeks ago.
What’s happening?
That would have seemed inconceivable if you had suggested that 6 weeks ago.
What’s happening?
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I blame CARD !!!17
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It seems as though everything has gone tits up since that Milton Keynes penalty...
Reckon had it stayed 2-1 this run wouldnt be happening as thats the last game I can say that we played like we have this season
Every game since we've played like the Charlton side from the last few seasons!!2 -
teams have started to work us out and robinson has no plan b. simple as that37
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The take-over is playing on players minds and unsettling them, anyone believe this? no nor do I1
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Injuries to key players, other teams working us out, lack of options from the bench and lack of variation from the manager.
Overpraised too when things were going well.
Plus CARD protests and takeover lies from VOTV15 -
I’m sure someone will mate, selfishly disrupting lapels with rosettes.Horsfield9 said:I blame CARD !!!
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In fact, we got 15 points from the first 6 games. Since then we've got 20 from 15 (5-5-5) and the downturn has already lasted for one third of a season. So it's not really a downturn, it's our true level.1
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PravdaHenry Irving said:Injuries to key players, other teams working us out, lack of options from the bench and lack of variation from the manager.
Overpraised too when things were going well.
Plus CARD protests and takeover lies from VOTV0 -
Pretty much this. So predictable.JoshAddick said:teams have started to work us out and robinson has no plan b. simple as that
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Hopefully the bad run means that KR will be given funds he needs and Matt Godden will be in his way to The Valley3
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This.JoshAddick said:teams have started to work us out and robinson has no plan b. simple as that
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Prefer GucciJamesSeed said:
PravdaHenry Irving said:Injuries to key players, other teams working us out, lack of options from the bench and lack of variation from the manager.
Overpraised too when things were going well.
Plus CARD protests and takeover lies from VOTV4 -
The absence of Fosu, as his speed and directness was giving defenders real problems. We've not won a league match since he was injured
A defence/team that can't keep clean sheets - we had 3 clean sheets in 4 matches in October, and none since
Holmes and Magennis losing form, and not enough cover in the squad, especially for Magennis
Other teams sussing out our tactics and system?17 -
Injuries are definitely playing their part, combined with the fact its not been one or two players yet double that!!
I know its simple but part of me wonders (I actually hope) if Robinson should get two TVs, on one screen play the tapes from the early victories against Northampton and Fleetwood and then play the tapes from the more recent games and slowly work out whats been going on because despite no plan B there is a difference in attitude from the players all of a sudden
Its a horrible clique yet they do need to go back to basics and stop worrying about the fancy tricks and passes2 -
One lower league striker won’t be our saviourBedsaddick said:Hopefully the bad run means that KR will be given funds he needs and Matt Godden will be in his way to The Valley
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The individual brilliance of Ricky Holmes and others has got us out of gaol on occasions. No team can rely on that every week.
We are marginally better than we were under Slade but when Roland sells Konsa, and possibly others, in January it's a question of whether or not we will have enough to stay out of the bottom 4 as key players leave, tire or get injured and suspended.
Robbo plays one way and it has been sussed. Either that or our players do not have the technical ability and physical presence to play the system properly.
My head and 50 plus years of Charlton supporting experience expected nothing out of today but it still feels bloody disappointing.15 -
Half decent first eleven but no back- up
Bit one dimensional
Injuries & being sussed out
If KR gets the bullet or not might be another takeover pointer.....1 -
Yup, it’s this for me.killerandflash said:The absence of Fosu, as his speed and directness was giving defenders real problems. We've not won a league match since he was injured
A defence/team that can't keep clean sheets - we had 3 clean sheets in 4 matches in October, and none since
Holmes and Magennis losing form, and not enough cover in the squad, especially for Magennis
Other teams sussing out our tactics and system?0 -
Perhaps we were flattering to deceive earlier in the season. On our day we were playing some great football, but a thin squad was leaving cracks that were being papered over, with a couple of Holmes wonder goals raising the feelgood factor. But as pitches get heavier, injuries start accumulating, and other sides get more physical, we look like fading away.
Our real problem is that Mr Duchatelet sees Charlton as a more of a social club than a football team, and I'm afraid if he can't sell Charlton our decline may be long, slow and painful.7 -
I said at the start of the season that I did not think 4.2.3.1 would be successful in this league especially with our lone striker not being a prolific goalscorer.
Unfortunately I don't believe Robinson will change this formation.
He will try and bring in a couple of players to strengthen but still keep the same formation.
I think 4.2.3.1 works ok at a higher level where you have better players to pick from.
There is a reason our players are plying their trade in league one it's because that is their level.
Sometimes this season when I'm watching Charlton I don't think some of our players know what is expected of them in this set-up.
For me personally I would love to play 442 and go back to basics but Robinson will not do this so we just stumble on.8 -
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Not sure that's entirely true, we have 4 or 5 decent CBs, 5 potentially decent players to fill the 3 attacking midfield positions. It'd only up front where we are really weak, and to an extent in midfield, where we never replaced Novak and Crofts.CatAddick said:Half decent first eleven but no back- up
Bit one dimensional
Injuries & being sussed out
If KR gets the bullet or not might be another takeover pointer.....0 -
Need to practice hitting barn doors.1
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This. And add to missing Fosu the fact that we're desperately missing Kashi as well.killerandflash said:The absence of Fosu, as his speed and directness was giving defenders real problems. We've not won a league match since he was injured
A defence/team that can't keep clean sheets - we had 3 clean sheets in 4 matches in October, and none since
Holmes and Magennis losing form, and not enough cover in the squad, especially for Magennis
Other teams sussing out our tactics and system?
I don't think it's one thing. I think it's a combination of all the factors that people have brought up. All teams go through bad patches. The question is can we turn it around, or does it become a slide.1 -
Not enough goals in the team. I don't think Reeves and Marshall scored in the league yet. We don't win many penalties or threaten from set pieces to give us another way of scoring.
Not strong enough defensively to grind out those 1-0 wins.
Injuries haven't helped but every club gets them.
Robinson has one way of playing. Looks great when things are going well and we always try to play good football.
A mixture of reasons, I don't think it'll be solved just by swapping Magennis for a natural goalscorer. It can be argued his movement and instinct to get into the right positions isn't good enough. Yet as a team it doesn't feel to me that we create enough chances where you expect the player to score.3 -
It's weird. It's almost as though we have an owner who promises at the start of the season to invest in a promotion-winning squad, then for whatever reason decides against it. I did think for a while that maybe it's because he doesn't care remotely about our performance on the pitch, but I'm sure that can't be true.
It must all be part of some master plan that us mere mortals can't be expected to understand. After all, I hear he doesn't do failure, so by default this must in fact be success! And seeing as we seem to be developing such a consistent pattern of a positive start to the season followed by a low slow decline into the bottom half of the table, and since our dear leader is so good at everything he turns his hand to, my only conclusion can be that this is all part of the plan.
Oh, and anything that is going wrong is all CARD's fault of course.1 -
Lack of a cutting edge.
If we were scoring goals, then we'd still be picking up points.
Blackburn scored from both their 2 shots on target (including the own goal).
Charlton had 5 shots on target - no goals again.
At Scunthorpe a few weeks ago, we missed good chances, before being punished by 2 wonder goals in 3 minutes.
But as has been said by many throughout the season, once teams park the bus we really struggle to break them down.
Teams have worked us out.
If it's proving difficult to score from fewer chances created, then really there has to be a re-think about formation.
It's dominating possession, but there is little end product - and we're losing matches. It's not working.
Back to the drawing board, Karl.
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Agree with this... Countless times the Striker on the pitch can get into the right position yet countless times this season; Holmes | Marshall | Fosu etc. will all prefer to shoot instead of passing into the box - There was a stat at some stage which said Charlton have had more shots outside the box than any other club, the problem is though, that dont = goals!!Scoham said:I don't think it'll be solved just by swapping Magennis for a natural goalscorer. It can be argued his movement and instinct to get into the right positions isn't good enough. Yet as a team it doesn't feel to me that we create enough chances where you expect the player to score.
We're not creating enough decent clear cut chances and we're too quick to waste the good work when chances are half created1 -
This system/style of play, I don't think it's that bad it just needs better players, I also think it would also work better in a higher league, and then you would really need better players.0
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It might if those supposed shots got near enough to work the opposition goalkeeper.ForeverAddickted said:
Agree with this... Countless times the Striker on the pitch can get into the right position yet countless times this season; Holmes | Marshall | Fosu etc. will all prefer to shoot instead of passing into the box - There was a stat at some stage which said Charlton have had more shots outside the box than any other club, the problem is though, that dont = goals!!Scoham said:I don't think it'll be solved just by swapping Magennis for a natural goalscorer. It can be argued his movement and instinct to get into the right positions isn't good enough. Yet as a team it doesn't feel to me that we create enough chances where you expect the player to score.
We're not creating enough decent clear cut chances and we're too quick to waste the good work when chances are half created
Best's header against Portsmouth was the only save their keeper had to make in the second half.0 -
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