Spanish old bill
Proper own goal this , they could've allowed them to vote and ignored it seems a bit heavy handed too me
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Good old fashioned democracy at work.
The amount of people on my twitter timeline that are in favour of this but moaned about brexit is rather confusing though.3 -
The Civil Guard, if it was them 'dealing' with the Catalans, like the French Gendarmes and the Italian Carabinieri are part of the military, a throwback to Napoleonic times. They are much more heavy handed than the regular Police, who themselves are not averse to dishing out unwarranted stick given the chance1
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Removing the will of the people all part of Jean Claude junckers Europe vision
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Much much older than the EU and really nothing to do with Junckers.nth london addick said:Removing the will of the people all part of Jean Claude junckers Europe vision
Better off out of it
The conflcit between the regions of Spain is far more complex than that.
And as far as I know the Catalan seperatists aren't looking to leave the EU, rather some of them see the EU as a safeguard for greater autonomy for Catalonia and other regions where they can still be part of a union but have more local control.
Although as ever there are a range of views and nothing is a simple as "it's all the EUs fault" as Theresa May is finding out.16 -
I get its older than the eu but this is def the tactics we are seeing of hard line tactics no give or take to people's choices
Firing Batton rounds and driving vehicles st it's own people
Reminds me of china growing up
The Catalonian residents need to fight back and fight with the same aggression0 -
Any other examples you can provide where the EU has interfered with it's "hard line tactics" in domestic elections or referendums?nth london addick said:I get its older than the eu but this is def the tactics we are seeing of hard line tactics no give or take to people's choices
Firing Batton rounds and driving vehicles st it's own people
Reminds me of china growing up
The Catalonian residents need to fight back and fight with the same aggression0 -
Doe it remind you of Northern Ireland when you were growing up?nth london addick said:I get its older than the eu but this is def the tactics we are seeing of hard line tactics no give or take to people's choices
Firing Batton rounds and driving vehicles st it's own people
Reminds me of china growing up
The Catalonian residents need to fight back and fight with the same aggression6 -
But that is the Spanish Civil Guard, not the EU Army (which doesn't exist).nth london addick said:I get its older than the eu but this is def the tactics we are seeing of hard line tactics no give or take to people's choices
Firing Batton rounds and driving vehicles st it's own people
Reminds me of china growing up
The Catalonian residents need to fight back and fight with the same aggression
This is an internal Spanish issue, it's not being orchestrated by Brussells. They are more concerned with straight bananas and the British sausage.
There are lots of things to criticise the EU for but stopping referendum's isn't one of them14 -
Blaming this on the EU takes some pretty impressive mental gymnastics.20
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only confusing if you confuse having a vote with no agreeing with the RESULT of the votebuckshee said:Good old fashioned democracy at work.
The amount of people on my twitter timeline that are in favour of this but moaned about brexit is rather confusing though.
for example. No one is saying we mustn't have general elections although whoever wins the general election some people are unhappy with the RESULT.
You're weren't happy when Labour won elections. Does that mean you didn't want elections? No, of course not.0 - Sponsored links:
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Like the NI/UK situation, Spain is desperate to keep hold of Catalonia for political reasons as well as economic.
And like the EU, any government loses face and prestige when confronted with a 'rebel' breakaway movement ..
The Spanish reaction and the EU reaction to the UK, are motivated by the same corrupt philosophy, bigger is better, more to govern and control, more area where we can through our weight around, although the EU of course has not resorted to military/police tactics. Perhaps it will be different if Macron ever gets his way and a Euro Army comes into being.
Take a lesson here from the Ottoman and Austro/Hungarian 'empires', nations within them demanded and eventually got their freedom and self determination despite often cruel and 'fascist' oppression.
The EU is another example of empire building, and like the Euro empires of old, it will eventually implode.
The Catalans have been under the Spanish 'yoke' for centuries. Many Catalans want independence. For right or for wrong they are at least entitled to hold a vote on the topic free from military intervention by the Madrid mafia. Take a lesson from what happened in Yugoslavia and the break up of Czechoslavakia, you can only keep explosive situations under control for so long
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The EU doesn't need to stop referendums. It just ignores the results of them.Henry Irving said:
But that is the Spanish Civil Guard, not the EU Army (which doesn't exist).nth london addick said:I get its older than the eu but this is def the tactics we are seeing of hard line tactics no give or take to people's choices
Firing Batton rounds and driving vehicles st it's own people
Reminds me of china growing up
The Catalonian residents need to fight back and fight with the same aggression
This is an internal Spanish issue, it's not being orchestrated by Brussells. They are more concerned with straight bananas and the British sausage.
There are lots of things to criticise the EU for but stopping referendum's isn't one of them
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After the millions of words written and debated about the EU over the last few years you are still completely clueless about what the EU stands for and its long term purpose. You are still peddling ridiculous UKIP fantasy and lies.Lincsaddick said:Like the NI/UK situation, Spain is desperate to keep hold of Catalonia for political reasons as well as economic.
And like the EU, any government loses face and prestige when confronted with a 'rebel' breakaway movement ..
The Spanish reaction and the EU reaction to the UK, are motivated by the same corrupt philosophy, bigger is better, more to govern and control, more area where we can through our weight around, although the EU of course has not resorted to military/police tactics. Perhaps it will be different if Macron ever gets his way and a Euro Army comes into being.
Take a lesson here from the Ottoman and Austro/Hungarian 'empires', nations within them demanded and eventually got their freedom and self determination despite often cruel and 'fascist' oppression.
The EU is another example of empire building, and like the Euro empires of old, it will eventually implode.
The Catalans have been under the Spanish 'yoke' for centuries. Many Catalans want independence. For right or for wrong they are at least entitled to hold a vote on the topic free from military intervention by the Madrid mafia. Take a lesson from what happened in Yugoslavia and the break up of Czechoslavakia, you can only keep explosive situations under control for so long11 -
Surely these sorts of tactics will encourage unsure Catalans to back independence?4
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me clueless ? .. you are the dolt, not I .. a Franco/German monopoly in the guise of the EU wants political and economic power over Europe .. and all the quislings like Junker (and it seems yourself) are happy to go along with it. In Junkcer and his ilks case for the sake of a cushy job with a nice pension and the chance for a coward to throw his weight aroundRed_in_SE8 said:
After the millions of words written and debated about the EU over the last few years you are still completely clueless about what the EU stands for and its long term purpose. You are still peddling ridiculous UKIP fantasy and lies.Lincsaddick said:Like the NI/UK situation, Spain is desperate to keep hold of Catalonia for political reasons as well as economic.
And like the EU, any government loses face and prestige when confronted with a 'rebel' breakaway movement ..
The Spanish reaction and the EU reaction to the UK, are motivated by the same corrupt philosophy, bigger is better, more to govern and control, more area where we can through our weight around, although the EU of course has not resorted to military/police tactics. Perhaps it will be different if Macron ever gets his way and a Euro Army comes into being.
Take a lesson here from the Ottoman and Austro/Hungarian 'empires', nations within them demanded and eventually got their freedom and self determination despite often cruel and 'fascist' oppression.
The EU is another example of empire building, and like the Euro empires of old, it will eventually implode.
The Catalans have been under the Spanish 'yoke' for centuries. Many Catalans want independence. For right or for wrong they are at least entitled to hold a vote on the topic free from military intervention by the Madrid mafia. Take a lesson from what happened in Yugoslavia and the break up of Czechoslavakia, you can only keep explosive situations under control for so long8 -
Which is why linking the actions of the Spanish Civil Guard to the EU is silly.E-cafc said:
The EU doesn't need to stop referendums. It just ignores the results of them.Henry Irving said:
But that is the Spanish Civil Guard, not the EU Army (which doesn't exist).nth london addick said:I get its older than the eu but this is def the tactics we are seeing of hard line tactics no give or take to people's choices
Firing Batton rounds and driving vehicles st it's own people
Reminds me of china growing up
The Catalonian residents need to fight back and fight with the same aggression
This is an internal Spanish issue, it's not being orchestrated by Brussells. They are more concerned with straight bananas and the British sausage.
There are lots of things to criticise the EU for but stopping referendum's isn't one of them0 -
Lincsaddick said:
me clueless ? .. you are the dolt, not I .. a Franco/German monopoly in the guise of the EU wants political and economic power over Europe .. and all the quislings like Junker (and it seems yourself) are happy to go along with it. In Junkcer and his ilks case for the sake of a cushy job with a nice pension and the chance for a coward to throw his weight aroundRed_in_SE8 said:
After the millions of words written and debated about the EU over the last few years you are still completely clueless about what the EU stands for and its long term purpose. You are still peddling ridiculous UKIP fantasy and lies.Lincsaddick said:Like the NI/UK situation, Spain is desperate to keep hold of Catalonia for political reasons as well as economic.
And like the EU, any government loses face and prestige when confronted with a 'rebel' breakaway movement ..
The Spanish reaction and the EU reaction to the UK, are motivated by the same corrupt philosophy, bigger is better, more to govern and control, more area where we can through our weight around, although the EU of course has not resorted to military/police tactics. Perhaps it will be different if Macron ever gets his way and a Euro Army comes into being.
Take a lesson here from the Ottoman and Austro/Hungarian 'empires', nations within them demanded and eventually got their freedom and self determination despite often cruel and 'fascist' oppression.
The EU is another example of empire building, and like the Euro empires of old, it will eventually implode.
The Catalans have been under the Spanish 'yoke' for centuries. Many Catalans want independence. For right or for wrong they are at least entitled to hold a vote on the topic free from military intervention by the Madrid mafia. Take a lesson from what happened in Yugoslavia and the break up of Czechoslavakia, you can only keep explosive situations under control for so long
I now fully understand why Brexit happened. If people are able to believe the nonsense you are peddling then any lie can be believed.
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Surely these sorts of tactics will encourage unsure Catalans to back independence?
Involving The Guardian Civil will ensure that will happen.....always were and always will be a bunch of first class arseholes.
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ex Xray technician .. the radio activity has scrambled your brain GooGoo .. which was no too bright to begin withShootersHillGuru said:Lincsaddick said:
me clueless ? .. you are the dolt, not I .. a Franco/German monopoly in the guise of the EU wants political and economic power over Europe .. and all the quislings like Junker (and it seems yourself) are happy to go along with it. In Junkcer and his ilks case for the sake of a cushy job with a nice pension and the chance for a coward to throw his weight aroundRed_in_SE8 said:
After the millions of words written and debated about the EU over the last few years you are still completely clueless about what the EU stands for and its long term purpose. You are still peddling ridiculous UKIP fantasy and lies.Lincsaddick said:Like the NI/UK situation, Spain is desperate to keep hold of Catalonia for political reasons as well as economic.
And like the EU, any government loses face and prestige when confronted with a 'rebel' breakaway movement ..
The Spanish reaction and the EU reaction to the UK, are motivated by the same corrupt philosophy, bigger is better, more to govern and control, more area where we can through our weight around, although the EU of course has not resorted to military/police tactics. Perhaps it will be different if Macron ever gets his way and a Euro Army comes into being.
Take a lesson here from the Ottoman and Austro/Hungarian 'empires', nations within them demanded and eventually got their freedom and self determination despite often cruel and 'fascist' oppression.
The EU is another example of empire building, and like the Euro empires of old, it will eventually implode.
The Catalans have been under the Spanish 'yoke' for centuries. Many Catalans want independence. For right or for wrong they are at least entitled to hold a vote on the topic free from military intervention by the Madrid mafia. Take a lesson from what happened in Yugoslavia and the break up of Czechoslavakia, you can only keep explosive situations under control for so long
I now fully understand why Brexit happened. If people are able to believe the nonsense you are peddling then any lie can be believed.1 -
Without wishing to turn this into an EU bash thread, and not de-rail the original thread, but i've now lived in a 'full-on' EU nation for approx 6 months now, and 1) It works and 2) I quite like it. !3
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IRVING/DRACULA .... the flag man ..hahahahah .. you deserve a flag for trying to con people into supporting your hobby .. a k a 'The Museum'-1
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This is warming up to a first class bun fight!1
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Who would have thought a debate about the EU would do that? : - )SoundAsa£ said:This is warming up to a first class bun fight!
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anyway .. Catalonia .. lately, I notice the Spanish have not tried any strong arm tactics over Gibraltar .. very wise of them0
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Quick edit there to remove you calling me a "wanker"Lincsaddick said:IRVING/DRACULA .... the flag man ..hahahahah .. you deserve a flag for trying to con people into supporting your hobby .. a k a 'The Museum'
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Slightly surprised that so many 'outers' really care what's going on politically in an EU Country.
Let them get on with it - it's nothing to do with us now.0 -
the truth always hurts .. even you don't deserve that insult, albeit a justified one on a public forumHenry Irving said:
Quick edit there to remove you calling me a "wanker"Lincsaddick said:IRVING/DRACULA .... the flag man ..hahahahah .. you deserve a flag for trying to con people into supporting your hobby .. a k a 'The Museum'
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We won 3.1 yesterday ffs
Can't we all be happy today2 -
I'm very happy ; - )blackpool72 said:We won 3.1 yesterday ffs
Can't we all be happy today1 -
Glad to hear itHenry Irving said:
I'm very happy ; - )blackpool72 said:We won 3.1 yesterday ffs
Can't we all be happy today
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