Rotherham fan vs Greg and Terry.
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More bleeps in that recording than a whole series of candid camera. Bleeping bad losers and I guess the true definition of a cockeney (sic) wasn't really up for friendly debate
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So what is a cockney? I was born in Plumstead and lived most of my life in the area before moving to the US. If anyone mentions cockney to me, I'll tell them it's north of the river and east of the city.
Looking at that renowned resource Wikipedia mentions Bexley and other areas south of the river as cockney. It also lists Danny Baker as one, but I thought he was from Deptford.
Opinions? I certainly don't think I'm one, I'm from Sarf Lunden.3 -
Historically it was anyone living within earshot of the Bow bells. They are in St Mary-le-Bow church near Cannon Street, which is pretty much the centre of the city of old London. Going on these rules there are very few real cockneys.6
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Born within ear shot of the bells of bow church, IIRC.SomervilleAddick said:So what is a cockney? I was born in Plumstead and lived most of my life in the area before moving to the US. If anyone mentions cockney to me, I'll tell them it's north of the river and east of the city.
Looking at that renowned resource Wikipedia mentions Bexley and other areas south of the river as cockney. It also lists Danny Baker as one, but I thought he was from Deptford.
Opinions? I certainly don't think I'm one, I'm from Sarf Lunden.
Read something about how due to noise pollution, there may well be no cockneys in a few years.1 -
Hilarious. I dunno what they're getting so het up about, I thought the rule these days was it's up to the referee to stop play for injuries and players aren't supposed to just put the ball out of play? Hardly like he's was going to sprint back and stop us scoring anyway.
Either way *bleep* em, great to see us showing a ruthless streak.1 -
I get the Bow bells thing, and the fact that many people think that means Bow in the east end.
But St Mary le Bow bells would be audible on the south side of the river, but I've never met anyone south of the river who would say that they were a cockney.
Wikipedia suggests otherwise. Is there anyone on here born and bred south of the river who would consider themselves a cockney.2 -
I was in a bar on the Wirral about 6 years ago and got chatting to a scouse girl who heard my accent and said in a broad Liverpudlian accent "my mate's a cockney" . She called her mate over and I asked where she was from , "Fleet" was her answer!
I said "your Mum must've had some hearing to hear those Bow bells all the way down there"0 -
Real cockneys speak Bangladeshi.12
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Spend time in the Wirral myself, have to educate them, then again, my pal tells me he's not a scouser because he's from the Wirral.buckshee said:I was in a bar on the Wirral about 6 years ago and got chatting to a scouse girl who heard my accent and said in a broad Liverpudlian accent "my mate's a cockney" . She called her mate over and I asked where she was from , "Fleet" was her answer!
I said "your Mum must've had some hearing to hear those Bow bells all the way down there"0 -
I started my plumbing apprenticeship in 1979 on a refurb of part of Bow Lane, right next to St Mary Le Bow church, does this make me a Cockney plumber ?.1
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I use a lot of rhyming slang in everyday speech, does that count?SomervilleAddick said:I get the Bow bells thing, and the fact that many people think that means Bow in the east end.
But St Mary le Bow bells would be audible on the south side of the river, but I've never met anyone south of the river who would say that they were a cockney.
Wikipedia suggests otherwise. Is there anyone on here born and bred south of the river who would consider themselves a cockney.1 -
No.favershamaddick said:I started my plumbing apprenticeship in 1979 on a refurb of part of Bow Lane, right next to St Mary Le Bow church, does this make me a Cockney plumber ?.
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I thought it was being born within the sound of Reg and Ronnie's doorbell ;-)PopIcon said:Historically it was anyone living within earshot of the Bow bells. They are in St Mary-le-Bow church near Cannon Street, which is pretty much the centre of the city of old London. Going on these rules there are very few real cockneys.
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He's as bitter as the people on the Surrey ccc thread.0
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One of the papers produced a map showing how the wind blows on certain days, and hence what areas are in earshot. It stated that people from Dulwich can be cockneys.PopIcon said:Historically it was anyone living within earshot of the Bow bells. They are in St Mary-le-Bow church near Cannon Street, which is pretty much the centre of the city of old London. Going on these rules there are very few real cockneys.
Different parts of the country define 'cockney' differently, in Newcastle it's anyone born south of Gateshead.5 -
Don’t be confused
Don’t make that mistake
We are not cockneys
For fucks sake
You can stick your bow bells
And your pearly kings
Cos we are not cockneys
We're from ......
South London la la la
Shame only the last line is sung these days and even that rarely2 -
To be fair to Northerners, you
Cockney c*nt
Fookin Cockney
Cockney wanker
Cockney bastard
rolls off the tongue a lot easier than
South east London c*nt
Fookin South east Londoner
South east London wanker
South east London bastard.6 -
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Imagine being from Rotherham2
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West Ham fans claim to be true cockneys, but we all know they are a delusional lot. I prefer the original definition.
If we use the way that working class people talk as a marker, then I’m afraid that that line is now blurred over the length of the Thames Estuary. My late Uncle who hailed from Maidstone had a Kentish accent, his parents (who would now be about 120) had an incredibly distinct accent bordering on ooh arrrh. In their days Maidstone would’ve been a town that was largely untouched by newcomers. visitors or commuters.
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My wife's maternal grandmother was from Clacton (born approx. 1910), and she also had a proper east Anglian ooh-arr accent.0
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I'm sure I read that due to hospital closures and the increasing height of buildings around bow bells killing the sound, this definition would soon mean there were no more cockneys.SomervilleAddick said:I get the Bow bells thing, and the fact that many people think that means Bow in the east end.
But St Mary le Bow bells would be audible on the south side of the river, but I've never met anyone south of the river who would say that they were a cockney.
Wikipedia suggests otherwise. Is there anyone on here born and bred south of the river who would consider themselves a cockney.1 -
I am sure I recall Henry Cooper always referred to himself as a cockney, although he was born in Lambeth and grew up in Catford.
I always felt that east Londoners were a different breed to us lot.0 -
This is my viewSomervilleAddick said:So what is a cockney? I was born in Plumstead and lived most of my life in the area before moving to the US. If anyone mentions cockney to me, I'll tell them it's north of the river and east of the city.
Looking at that renowned resource Wikipedia mentions Bexley and other areas south of the river as cockney. It also lists Danny Baker as one, but I thought he was from Deptford.
Opinions? I certainly don't think I'm one, I'm from Sarf Lunden.0 -
I was born in Erith but have lived my entire life within about 6 miles of Charing Cross.
I am a Kentish Cockney Man who can speak like royalty when called upon.
The Rotherham supporter certainly improved the Valley Pass listening experience for me, he was giving it large from the off, and I presume going to the football is therapy for him.4 -
Simple rule.
If you get up in the morning, rumage around the washing basket for yesterdays t-shirt, check it for congealed dried eel juice... then you is a Cockerney Wanker!1 -
It's funny, I always thought it was spelt Roffarum.1
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My dad was born near the Old Kent Rd and referred to himself as a cockney. My mum was from Charlton and did not. I reckon both Bermondsey and Millwall are within the historic reach of Bow Bells. West Ham I'm not so sure.
Still if Rotherham folk think we're cockney we should relocate them to Derbyshire or West Yorkshire or maybe even Lancashire and see how they like it0 -
We await a club statement that abuse against these two Gentlemen is be investigated and the police informed, after all someone swore in their direction and called them names. It's just as well neither of them is has a sensitive disposition and used to work in the catering industry, who knows it could end up in court or maybe they'll take on the chin like a man would, laugh about it and move on.
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I'm sure JS referred to Charlton fans as cockneys in the JS Story somewhere. But he was a Geordie of course.0
