Stan Kroenke launches blood sports TV subscription channel, 'My Outdoor TV'

seth plum said:

i_b_b_o_r_g said:

seth plum said:

i_b_b_o_r_g said:

The animals they shoot need to be controlled anyway (whether they are injured or due to over population) and the dough these people pay to shoot these animals will go back into the park. You'd need to ask the people why they pay do it, it's not my bag, but at the end of the day it's called conservation

You're dead so I have conserved you?
Human population is out of control by the way.

I thought you were intelligent bloke

Having a different point of view to you doesn't make me stupid.
I am able to be stupid independently.

I never called you stupid and I weren't referring to you having a different opinion, just the terrible comparison you drew.

Stig said:

i_b_b_o_r_g said:

Stig said:

There's no such thing as 'blood sport'. It's just sadism. Inadequate people trying to prove how tough they are by taking it out on defenceless creatures.

Or hunting

IMO hunting for food is absolutely fine. We've all got to eat. Hunting for the pleasure of killing is pathetic.

unless you live in a mudhut or an igloo.... the need to go hunting for survival are pretty non existant

Haven't watched the channel (and don't intend to) but I am highly doubtful that there will be even half an hour, ever, dedicated to ferreting for rabbits.

Even if they eat the meat of these 'big game' animals it is a byproduct, they kill them for sport and glorify that killing. It's totally unnecessary, it's even called trophy hunting, as opposed to rare meat sourcing. They don't do it for food, they do it for trophy. A channel such as this appears to be, further glorifies this and will to some, make this practice more socially acceptable.

I don't necessarily have an issue with population control, and culling for its sake. Trophy hunting is not population control, it's a gratuitous display of wealth and overwhelming technological advantage.

If it is back to back reruns of early Ray Mears' shows though, I shall be tuning in.

Stig said:

shine166 said:

Stig said:

i_b_b_o_r_g said:

Stig said:

There's no such thing as 'blood sport'. It's just sadism. Inadequate people trying to prove how tough they are by taking it out on defenceless creatures.

Or hunting

IMO hunting for food is absolutely fine. We've all got to eat. Hunting for the pleasure of killing is pathetic.

unless you live in a mudhut or an igloo.... the need to go hunting for survival are pretty non existant

I never said anyone needed too. But if people are going to eat meat, I think it's in some ways preferable that they do their own dirty deeds rather that buy a shrink wrapped portion of pre-slaughtered beast.

Note: This post comes with a massive hypocrite warning. I've love a bit of flesh, but never have and never will kill for it.

imo, killing ones own meat is the most ethical way of eating it

i_b_b_o_r_g said:

Super_Eddie_Youds said:

Haven't watched the channel (and don't intend to) but I am highly doubtful that there will be even half an hour, ever, dedicated to ferreting for rabbits.

Even if they eat the meat of these 'big game' animals it is a byproduct, they kill them for sport and glorify that killing. It's totally unnecessary, it's even called trophy hunting, as opposed to rare meat sourcing. They don't do it for food, they do it for trophy. A channel such as this appears to be further glorifies this and will, to some, make this practice more socially acceptable.

I don't necessarily have an issue with population control, and culling for its sake. Trophy hunting is not population control, it's a gratuitous display of wealth and overwhelming technological advantage.

If it is back to back reruns of early Ray Mears' shows though, I shall be tuning in.

It may be "rare meat" to you, but it's not to the locals who benefit from it.

I can't quite get my head around the people who pay a lot of money to kill something, but the rest of it makes perfect sense, maybe not to folk who live in a western European city and just see the photos every now and again in the papers

Agreed, i am aware most of the meat goes back to the village and obviously the big one off payment helps too (bribe to local government aside).

I think we broadly agree on the 'hunters' here though. I think just because someone is helped as a byproduct of their blood lust, it doesn't make it right. If they were conservationists, surely there are better ways to feed and incentivise villagers in these areas?

Not sure i understand - who would use that analogy?

i_b_b_o_r_g said:

Super_Eddie_Youds said:

i_b_b_o_r_g said:

Super_Eddie_Youds said:

Haven't watched the channel (and don't intend to) but I am highly doubtful that there will be even half an hour, ever, dedicated to ferreting for rabbits.

Even if they eat the meat of these 'big game' animals it is a byproduct, they kill them for sport and glorify that killing. It's totally unnecessary, it's even called trophy hunting, as opposed to rare meat sourcing. They don't do it for food, they do it for trophy. A channel such as this appears to be further glorifies this and will, to some, make this practice more socially acceptable.

I don't necessarily have an issue with population control, and culling for its sake. Trophy hunting is not population control, it's a gratuitous display of wealth and overwhelming technological advantage.

If it is back to back reruns of early Ray Mears' shows though, I shall be tuning in.

It may be "rare meat" to you, but it's not to the locals who benefit from it.

I can't quite get my head around the people who pay a lot of money to kill something, but the rest of it makes perfect sense, maybe not to folk who live in a western European city and just see the photos every now and again in the papers

Agreed, i am aware most of the meat goes back to the village and obviously the big one off payment helps too (bribe to local government aside).

I think we broadly agree on the 'hunters' here though. I think just because someone is helped as a byproduct of their blood lust, it doesn't make it right. If they were conservationists, surely there are better ways to feed and incentivise villagers in these areas?

Elephant - Rat - Mosquito - Chicken, which life is more valuable? Is probably the analogy these people would use

1) Chicken
2) Elephant
3) Rat
4) Mosquito

*in order of tastiness/least likely to give me malaria

Nothing wrong with hunting if it is done for food or for good reason. It is disrespectful to life killing for fun.

i_b_b_o_r_g said:

Stig said:

i_b_b_o_r_g said:

Stig said:

There's no such thing as 'blood sport'. It's just sadism. Inadequate people trying to prove how tough they are by taking it out on defenceless creatures.

Or hunting

IMO hunting for food is absolutely fine. We've all got to eat. Hunting for the pleasure of killing is pathetic.

I wouldn't share the time of day with someone who killed just for the sake of it, or just for a photo, but that rarely happens to be honest.

To kill for the sake of it, in the UK at least, is illegal.

It's not illegal though is it, there's plenty of bird shooting that's done just for the sake of it?

RedArmySE7 said:

i_b_b_o_r_g said:

Stig said:

i_b_b_o_r_g said:

Stig said:

There's no such thing as 'blood sport'. It's just sadism. Inadequate people trying to prove how tough they are by taking it out on defenceless creatures.

Or hunting

IMO hunting for food is absolutely fine. We've all got to eat. Hunting for the pleasure of killing is pathetic.

I wouldn't share the time of day with someone who killed just for the sake of it, or just for a photo, but that rarely happens to be honest.

To kill for the sake of it, in the UK at least, is illegal.

It's not illegal though is it, there's plenty of bird shooting that's done just for the sake of it?

There isn't, all wild birds are protected as stated in the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981. There is a General Licence on some pest species (feral / wood pigeon, corvide etc) that can be shot, but only after all other means have been tried.

Just shooting a bird for the sake of it and leaving it there dead is illegal and highly frowned upon by the shooting community. People who have done it get reported

Killing animals humanly for food is essential.
Shooting animals in the name of sport just to satisfy the ego of man is abhorrent, anyone who does so deserves to be visited by every plague in the universe. I dont buy into the excuse of conservation, its a feeble excuse to try and justify the murder of beautiful animals. Wild animals can exit without the interference of man.
Or...if anyone does want to show how brave they really are, how about taking on an Elephant or Lion with their bare hands, let me know how you get on, scum.

There are in this day an age an almost endless number of things to do and spend your leisure hours on.

I think those that choose to chase, stalk or just generally kill defenceless creatures and call it sport are beyond contempt.

It speaks volumes to me about what goes on in their heads.