Sir Billy Conolly
What is he thinking?
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Shhh1
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He was thinking that he's proud to have received a knighthood recognition for all he's hard work and success. What's the problem?3
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He has always said he's a socialist.1
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Looks like he has changed his surname to go along with the knighthood.9
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Again, what's the problem? Socialists can happily accept being recognised by states. Plenty of socialists have accepted honours and plenty of non socialists have refused them. The situation isn't just simple us and them.
And remember, according to some simple thinkers on here during other arguements, there's no way he can be a socialist because he's rich.7 -
They're not socialist then. Ipso facto.0
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No socialist would, or could, accept a knighthood. If you are a socialist by definition you're not a monarchist. If you're not a monarchist you can't accept a knighthood.
So he has at the last betrayed what he said he has been for all these years.
Or in language he might understand he's a shit of the first degree.3 -
Do as I say not as I do.0
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Looks good on his CV perhaps.iainment said:No socialist would, or could, accept a knighthood. If you are a socialist by definition you're not a monarchist. If you're not a monarchist you can't accept a knighthood.
So he has at the last betrayed what he said he has been for all these years.
Or in language he might understand he's a shit of the first degree.0 -
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I consider myself both a socialist and a monarchist.
Who says I can't be both?
My letter from Buck House must have gone missing in the post.
Again.5 -
Well I am.
And so was Socrates1 -
That chip of yours is getting mighty bigiainment said:No socialist would, or could, accept a knighthood. If you are a socialist by definition you're not a monarchist. If you're not a monarchist you can't accept a knighthood.
So he has at the last betrayed what he said he has been for all these years.
Or in language he might understand he's a shit of the first degree.
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You're not. Either you are a monarchist. Or you are a leftish subject of the crown.
You cannot be both a socialist and a subject of a crown.
Look up the dictionary about socialism.
I admire your work for your tenants but you are deluded if you think socialism and monarchism can ever comfortably exist side by side.0 -
Grey areas between socialism and a monarchy. Please enlighten me.DRAddick said:
Exactly, same here. Some people just can't mentally handle the fact life is full of grey areas.Addickted said:I consider myself both a socialist and a monarchist.
Who says I can't be both?
My letter from Buck House must have gone missing in the post.
Again.0 -
Life is not always black and white.2
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The defining aspect of socialism is collective ownership of the means of production.
A monarchial socialist ideology views the monarch as the embodiment of the proletariat. The means of production are collectively owned by the people, in whom sovereignty resides; however, that sovereignty is delegated to the monarch, who holds the means of production in trust for the people and manages the economy for the greater good.
As I said, I'm a socialist monarchist and your view is an outdated political dogma.10 -
Game, Set and Match to Addickted right there.2
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Oh well that's 50 years of my life wasted. And all of those thinkers over the last 100 years or more who have defined socialism as being something separate from a monarchy.
It's a bit like people who eat fish but insist they are vegetarian.0 -
A couple of hundred years ago you would be right as there was a complete real and philosophical divide between the Monarchy and the masses. However the meaning and role of monarchy has changed. Most monarchies in Europe including our own have no real power any more and are now just a public face. The Netherlands is classed as one of the most Socialist countries in the world but still has a Monarchy.
As the roles have changed this has allowed philosophies and political lines to change and merge. The political and social waters are muddy, not clear.1 -
Or just they haven't heard of Pescetarianism.iainment said:Oh well that's 50 years of my life wasted. And all of those thinkers over the last 100 years or more who have defined socialism as being something separate from a monarchy.
It's a bit like people who eat fish but insist they are vegetarian.
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So reversing your view.... If someone classes themselves as a capitalist and/or Monarchist they have too accept the Knighthood without question? But if they are not rich and/or refuse the Knighthood for separate political or personal reasons then they cannot be a capitalist or Monarchist and have to be a Socialist?iainment said:No socialist would, or could, accept a knighthood. If you are a socialist by definition you're not a monarchist. If you're not a monarchist you can't accept a knighthood.
So he has at the last betrayed what he said he has been for all these years.
Or in language he might understand he's a shit of the first degree.0 -
The left do like to pigeonhole people without actually understanding what people want.
Pissed off with being told what I should think or 'believe in'. And extremely pissed off with someone half my age telling me what I should believe in.
When I was bought up, this kind of brainwashing was known as nazism not socialism.5 -
That's just mashed my brain!Addickted said:The defining aspect of socialism is collective ownership of the means of production.
A monarchial socialist ideology views the monarch as the embodiment of the proletariat. The means of production are collectively owned by the people, in whom sovereignty resides; however, that sovereignty is delegated to the monarch, who holds the means of production in trust for the people and manages the economy for the greater good.
As I said, I'm a socialist monarchist and your view is an outdated political dogma.
What on earth!
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Look, you're all a bunch of filthy Communists.1
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Bloody hell, old, not very well bloke earns well deserved recognition from his country and some want to dissect his political beliefs. Surely he gets to decide his own politics?14
