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CharltonMadrid
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Against all odds: why Phil Collins' comeback could save pop music

http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2016/oct/18/why-phil-collins-comeback-could-save-pop-music?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
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  • Bigbadbozman
    Bigbadbozman Posts: 1,775
    Moderators, how do I flag the Guardian???
  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    That can't be right. That can't be right at all.
  • Saga Lout
    Saga Lout Posts: 6,845
    The tragedy in all this is that he can sing but he can't drum. If it was the other way round I'd be first in the queue - he was one of the greatest on the skins (IMHO).
  • Fumbluff
    Fumbluff Posts: 10,126
    Saga Lout said:

    The tragedy in all this is that he can sing but he can't drum. If it was the other way round I'd be first in the queue - he was one of the greatest on the skins (IMHO).

    I seem to remember He Can't Dance either, if it helps
  • CharltonMadrid
    CharltonMadrid Posts: 5,091
    Brilliant drummer and actually don't mind him singing on the first couple of Genesis albums after Peter Gabriel left. After Duke it all went horribly wrong and his solo stuff is cringeworthy.
  • DaveMehmet
    DaveMehmet Posts: 21,601
    Probably going to get pelters for this but he's a decent drummer and I was a bit of a fan back in the day.
  • T_C_E
    T_C_E Posts: 16,420
    DaveMehmet said:

    Probably going to get pelters for this but he's a decent drummer and I was a bit of a fan back in the day.

    Preferred this guy
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TnzFRV1LwIo
  • Gravesend_Addick
    Gravesend_Addick Posts: 7,299
    I've never understood why Phil Collins is so hated in the UK
  • Carter
    Carter Posts: 14,247
    Because he got divorced via facsimile
  • smudge7946
    smudge7946 Posts: 4,131
    Chrissy\\\'s Army!! said:

    I've never understood why Phil Collins is so hated in the UK

    That homeless song, then threating to leave the uk rather than pay any tax on his millions.

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  • Alwaysneil
    Alwaysneil Posts: 13,806
    Psusudeo or whatever it was called.
  • iainment
    iainment Posts: 8,039
    He's another self righteous me me arsehole. So believes we owe him a living.
  • Anna_Kissed
    Anna_Kissed Posts: 3,302
    From The Guardian, Oct 14th 2007:
    "The drummer [Collins] famously promised to leave the UK if Labour were elected in 1997, and did indeed move to Switzerland. Prior to the 2005 election, Noel Gallagher urged: 'Vote Labour. If you don't and the Tories get in, Phil is threatening to come back.'
  • Greenie
    Greenie Posts: 9,172
    I like some of his Genesis work
    Again his early solo stuff is good.
    There's a lot of other artists who are far ahead in the pony stakes.
  • AddickUpNorth
    AddickUpNorth Posts: 8,325
    Against All Odds is one of my guilty pleasures musically.
  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 34,004
    I enjoyed early Genesis but Collins was only the drummer then. Once Gabriel left and Collins took over they became bland beyond belief.

    I loved his version of 'You can't hurry love', one of the rare occasions a Motown song had a good cover. Apart from that, nothing.

    Just boredom.
  • charltonkeston
    charltonkeston Posts: 7,365
    I'd like to be as shit, talentless and poor as him.
    Watch the X Factor and the Voice or any other talent show and then tell me who's robbing a living. At least he wrote and played his own material, that's two things more than most "artists " these days.
    Not everyone's cup of tea but he was a Charlton supporter in the film Buster, even if the reality is far worse.
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    Bigbadbozman said:

    Moderators, how do I flag the Guardian???

    Will look into it
  • cafctom
    cafctom Posts: 11,371
    I like Phil Collins, but always felt that songwriting/talent wise he was always a poor mans Paul Carrack (one of the greatest British soul singers out there, very underrated).
  • Bangkokaddick
    Bangkokaddick Posts: 4,297
    I took a dislike to the author when he stated that he only liked Genesis after the album "Duke".
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  • I_was_Floyd
    I_was_Floyd Posts: 468
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  • thai malaysia addick
    thai malaysia addick Posts: 18,336
    edited October 2016
    My interest in Genesis disappeared as soon as Peter Gabriel left. Collins was a decent drummer and was good in a band called Brand X that he also played for. (Days at The Marquee come flooding back)
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,348
    'pop' music is the relevant term .. like him or not, he's made some terrific 'pop' records in different genres
  • cafcdave123
    cafcdave123 Posts: 11,491
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  • AddicksAddict
    AddicksAddict Posts: 15,791
    charltonkeston said:

    I'd like to be as shit, talentless and poor as him.
    Watch the X Factor and the Voice or any other talent show and then tell me who's robbing a living. At least he wrote and played his own material, that's two things more than most "artists " these days.
    Not everyone's cup of tea but he was a Charlton supporter in the film Buster, even if the reality is far worse.

    Just writing and playing his own music doesn't make him worth listening to, but it does give him brownie points for integrity.
  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 13,918
    charltonkeston said:

    I'd like to be as shit, talentless and poor as him.
    Watch the X Factor and the Voice or any other talent show and then tell me who's robbing a living. At least he wrote and played his own material, that's two things more than most "artists " these days.
    Not everyone's cup of tea but he was a Charlton supporter in the film Buster, even if the reality is far worse.

    If you watch either of those for musical talent then you need a slap around the ears.
  • colthe3rd
    colthe3rd Posts: 8,486
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  • StewieGriffinSE7
    StewieGriffinSE7 Posts: 489
    Saga Lout said:

    The tragedy in all this is that he can sing but he can't drum. If it was the other way round I'd be first in the queue - he was one of the greatest on the skins (IMHO).

    Absolutely great drummer, underrated. I saw him solo, with Genesis and also as Clapton's drummer. Sadly he's unable to drum anymore but worryingly his voice is on the wain now, not terrible but he is playing songs in different keys to the originals but still struggling to hit some notes.

    https://youtu.be/no4qgpbJQ7E
  • Saga Lout
    Saga Lout Posts: 6,845
    I'm always suspicious of these come-backs - I can just imagine a pensions adviser saying "You are a few quid short on your plan Mr Collins, especially with the latest divorce - I did advise you against it at the time... Anyway, you'd better get out there and sing a bit".

    I disagree about him being underrated as a drummer - I think it is a pretty well accepted fact that he was exceptional.
  • PaddyP17
    PaddyP17 Posts: 13,037
    charltonkeston said:

    I'd like to be as shit, talentless and poor as him.

    Talentless? Hmm.

    As a jazz/funk musician, I'm gonna have to disagree. His drumming is pretty much exactly what everyone wants - highly nuanced and developed sense of rhythm; great "groove"; responsive to other musicians; and some very very solid chops.

    Not my choice - I much prefer Tony Williams; Buddy Rich; and Sput Searight (for a more modern flavour) - but a quality drummer.

    His songwriting is also pretty on point - Sussudio is a solid tune with clear knowledge of harmony and theory, even though I don't think he was the guy behind the horn arrangements etc in the big band version (which, btw, is far superior to the pop version imo).

    If he can't drum nowadays, though, then that's a bit gutting.

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