Slovenia v England
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They'll always be awful Groups though because they're created based on seedings and how teams have done in past tournaments / qualifying.
i.e. You cant have Wales / Portugal / France / Germany / England in one Group because for World Cup Qualification only one of those sides would go to the World Cup whilst second place might go into the Play-Offs...
In addition it means that the World Cup is missing some top sides whilst it'll mean the "boring" teams like Slovenia and Slovakia will go to the World Cup meaning the actual Tournament isn't exciting and for that reason I'd much prefer boring Qualifiers over a month of 32 awful sides playing in the Tournament0 -
This is the Scotland who lost 3-0 to Slovakia, and scraped a home draw against LithuaniaMacronate said:Scotland up next.
If we lose that one, I will have a tattoo..........etc
They'll be up for it, but are a truly terrible team at the moment1 -
If anything we need to change our approach to Friendly Matches.
Every few years we play the same bunch: Spain | France | Portugal | Belgium | Netherlands | Brazil | Germany | Italy... Because its a friendly against them its usually a boring match, no one (fans / players) care about the result and usually we win.
What do we learn...? - Nothing, other than the fact that we can beat teams who'll attack us and leave gaps... Excellent as that'll amount for barely any of the International sides out there.
Instead the FA should forget about simply making more money and should mix it up a bit, every other friendly we should be playing against the likes of Iceland / Slovenia / Slovakia etc. learn to break down these sides that sit behind the ball4 -
A friendly against Iceland is a good idea,ForeverAddickted said:If anything we need to change our approach to Friendly Matches.
Every few years we play the same bunch: Spain | France | Portugal | Belgium | Netherlands | Brazil | Germany | Italy... Because its a friendly against them its usually a boring match, no one (fans / players) care about the result and usually we win.
What do we learn...? - Nothing, other than the fact that we can beat teams who'll attack us and leave gaps... Excellent as that'll amount for barely any of the International sides out there.
Instead the FA should forget about simply making more money and should mix it up a bit, every other friendly we should be playing against the likes of Iceland / Slovenia / Slovakia etc. learn to break down these sides that sit behind the ball
Both that they "deserve" the match at Wembley (which wasn't meant to sound patronising), but the game would have a bit of spice. England would need to win, to get some sort of "revenge", while Iceland would want to beat England again, to rub it in. They'd give a real test to us, can we break down a team with real team spirit and organisation
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If you look at all the chances Slovenia had nearly all were from our mistakes. And what is with this ritual of the new manager digging out the old manager? Southgate played near enough the same farking team the twonk!!1
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Would be as pointless as all the other friendlies. We get results in friendlies and qualifiers but play the same teams in a tournament when it actually means something and other teams up their game whilst we bottle it. Our players are technically not consistent enough and more importantly are mentally weak.killerandflash said:
A friendly against Iceland is a good idea,ForeverAddickted said:If anything we need to change our approach to Friendly Matches.
Every few years we play the same bunch: Spain | France | Portugal | Belgium | Netherlands | Brazil | Germany | Italy... Because its a friendly against them its usually a boring match, no one (fans / players) care about the result and usually we win.
What do we learn...? - Nothing, other than the fact that we can beat teams who'll attack us and leave gaps... Excellent as that'll amount for barely any of the International sides out there.
Instead the FA should forget about simply making more money and should mix it up a bit, every other friendly we should be playing against the likes of Iceland / Slovenia / Slovakia etc. learn to break down these sides that sit behind the ball
Both that they "deserve" the match at Wembley (which wasn't meant to sound patronising), but the game would have a bit of spice. England would need to win, to get some sort of "revenge", while Iceland would want to beat England again, to rub it in. They'd give a real test to us, can we break down a team with real team spirit and organisation0 -
the referee was a disgrace .. let the Slovenians get away with some terrible tackles yet quick to book the English .. German scweinhund .. keep the minnow Euro client states happy
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In all four games of the Euros we played teams that put 11 men behind the ball. While I wouldn't defend these overpaid prima donnas, I'd be keen to know how we would've fared against a team that attacked us. Especially if we'd kept the 11 together that beat Germany a few months earlier.
Russia were incredibly lucky to get a point, and one could argue that had a knock-on effect that we are still paying for today. That's not to say we wouldn't have been humiliated in some other way, but I truly don't think we are even with Slovakia or Malta. We're just not as good as Portugal, Germany and so on when it come to putting those teams away convincingly.3 -
This.JiMMy 85 said:In all four games of the Euros we played teams that put 11 men behind the ball. While I wouldn't defend these overpaid prima donnas, I'd be keen to know how we would've fared against a team that attacked us. Especially if we'd kept the 11 together that beat Germany a few months earlier.
Russia were incredibly lucky to get a point, and one could argue that had a knock-on effect that we are still paying for today. That's not to say we wouldn't have been humiliated in some other way, but I truly don't think we are even with Slovakia or Malta. We're just not as good as Portugal, Germany and so on when it come to putting those teams away convincingly.1 -
We all used the "they get everyone behind the ball, wait 'til we play someone better" defence, but i think that was mainly out of just needing an explanation other than "we're shite". At the end of the day we couldn't defend against the few times we were attacked so unlikely we would have defended better against more attacks. On thinking about it afterwards, there has been nothing in the previous tournaments to suggest we would have faired any better against more open attacking teams. We are failures at tournaments, it's as simple as that.JiMMy 85 said:In all four games of the Euros we played teams that put 11 men behind the ball. While I wouldn't defend these overpaid prima donnas, I'd be keen to know how we would've fared against a team that attacked us. Especially if we'd kept the 11 together that beat Germany a few months earlier.
Russia were incredibly lucky to get a point, and one could argue that had a knock-on effect that we are still paying for today. That's not to say we wouldn't have been humiliated in some other way, but I truly don't think we are even with Slovakia or Malta. We're just not as good as Portugal, Germany and so on when it come to putting those teams away convincingly.0 - Sponsored links:
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I said to my wife that it's like watching Charlton during the game! Passing across the back 4 but no cut and thrust in midfield, plus nobody to pick a pass.soapboxsam said:
This thread is about England; not CAFCHardyAddick said:Lucky point. Better than defeat. No midfield.
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Portugal who drew with Austria, Iceland Hungary and Poland?bolloxbolder said:
This.JiMMy 85 said:In all four games of the Euros we played teams that put 11 men behind the ball. While I wouldn't defend these overpaid prima donnas, I'd be keen to know how we would've fared against a team that attacked us. Especially if we'd kept the 11 together that beat Germany a few months earlier.
Russia were incredibly lucky to get a point, and one could argue that had a knock-on effect that we are still paying for today. That's not to say we wouldn't have been humiliated in some other way, but I truly don't think we are even with Slovakia or Malta. We're just not as good as Portugal, Germany and so on when it come to putting those teams away convincingly.0 -
I've had a great two days out here.
The amount of people I've met just from doing England away is crazy, the togetherness is brilliant. It really is, in the words of David Brent, a melting pot, for all English club fans.
Intereting how many people I've met and when they have found out I'm a Charlton fan they always talk immediately about our owners and how sad it is etc etc, and also how much respect they have for the protestors, nice to know we are getting a lot of people's attention and they stand with us in solidarity. In fact a part of me looks forward to telling people who I support just because of the reaction and the respect that we get because we are fighting against a regime.
As for the match it was shite! But been a great two days overall and Ljubljana is a lovely, lovely city throughly enjoyed it.
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England were extremely lucky to get three points against WalesJiMMy 85 said:In all four games of the Euros we played teams that put 11 men behind the ball. While I wouldn't defend these overpaid prima donnas, I'd be keen to know how we would've fared against a team that attacked us. Especially if we'd kept the 11 together that beat Germany a few months earlier.
Russia were incredibly lucky to get a point, and one could argue that had a knock-on effect that we are still paying for today. That's not to say we wouldn't have been humiliated in some other way, but I truly don't think we are even with Slovakia or Malta. We're just not as good as Portugal, Germany and so on when it come to putting those teams away convincingly.0 -
This is true but there are some stronger groups. France for example have Holland and Sweden in their group, Spain have italy, Croatia have Turkey and Ukraine. All much tougher than ours 'on paper'. Yes we're top seeds as we always do well in qualifying but the time will come when we don't get quite so lucky with our group and then we'll tumble down the seedings.ForeverAddickted said:They'll always be awful Groups though because they're created based on seedings and how teams have done in past tournaments / qualifying.
i.e. You cant have Wales / Portugal / France / Germany / England in one Group because for World Cup Qualification only one of those sides would go to the World Cup whilst second place might go into the Play-Offs...
In addition it means that the World Cup is missing some top sides whilst it'll mean the "boring" teams like Slovenia and Slovakia will go to the World Cup meaning the actual Tournament isn't exciting and for that reason I'd much prefer boring Qualifiers over a month of 32 awful sides playing in the Tournament0 -
a) Did you eat any horse?ashley said:
England were extremely lucky to get three points against WalesJiMMy 85 said:In all four games of the Euros we played teams that put 11 men behind the ball. While I wouldn't defend these overpaid prima donnas, I'd be keen to know how we would've fared against a team that attacked us. Especially if we'd kept the 11 together that beat Germany a few months earlier.
Russia were incredibly lucky to get a point, and one could argue that had a knock-on effect that we are still paying for today. That's not to say we wouldn't have been humiliated in some other way, but I truly don't think we are even with Slovakia or Malta. We're just not as good as Portugal, Germany and so on when it come to putting those teams away convincingly.
b) Did you sing "Goodbye Horse" before eating it?1 -
Wales were lucky to get 3 points against N Ireland...ashley said:
England were extremely lucky to get three points against WalesJiMMy 85 said:In all four games of the Euros we played teams that put 11 men behind the ball. While I wouldn't defend these overpaid prima donnas, I'd be keen to know how we would've fared against a team that attacked us. Especially if we'd kept the 11 together that beat Germany a few months earlier.
Russia were incredibly lucky to get a point, and one could argue that had a knock-on effect that we are still paying for today. That's not to say we wouldn't have been humiliated in some other way, but I truly don't think we are even with Slovakia or Malta. We're just not as good as Portugal, Germany and so on when it come to putting those teams away convincingly.0 -
They didnt get three points against Northern Ireland...killerandflash said:
Wales were lucky to get 3 points against N Ireland...ashley said:
England were extremely lucky to get three points against WalesJiMMy 85 said:In all four games of the Euros we played teams that put 11 men behind the ball. While I wouldn't defend these overpaid prima donnas, I'd be keen to know how we would've fared against a team that attacked us. Especially if we'd kept the 11 together that beat Germany a few months earlier.
Russia were incredibly lucky to get a point, and one could argue that had a knock-on effect that we are still paying for today. That's not to say we wouldn't have been humiliated in some other way, but I truly don't think we are even with Slovakia or Malta. We're just not as good as Portugal, Germany and so on when it come to putting those teams away convincingly.0 -
A great post. The thing is, if you're England, you know this is how teams are going to play against you. I think that. at international level at least, it's easier to coach a team to defend with 11 behind the ball than it is to coach breaking sides down. But still, you wonder if England work on the attacking side of tactics. It's something Jurgen Low has been known to do with Germany, coach attacking moves and positioning--more akin to what club managers would do. I know Hodgson did some of that with Fulham, but by the looks of his England team either he didn't do it, didn't do it well, or did it and they forgot (or a combination thereof).JiMMy 85 said:In all four games of the Euros we played teams that put 11 men behind the ball. While I wouldn't defend these overpaid prima donnas, I'd be keen to know how we would've fared against a team that attacked us. Especially if we'd kept the 11 together that beat Germany a few months earlier.
Russia were incredibly lucky to get a point, and one could argue that had a knock-on effect that we are still paying for today. That's not to say we wouldn't have been humiliated in some other way, but I truly don't think we are even with Slovakia or Malta. We're just not as good as Portugal, Germany and so on when it come to putting those teams away convincingly.
Also, in looking at the side England put out on Tuesday, there are a lot of players who really rely on the pace and openness of the Premier League, namely Walcott, Alli, Henderson, Dier and the fullbacks. After the first ten minutes of the first half, you would see England players in possession in the middle third take 2-3 touches, then pick their head up, and everyone around them would be static. What movement there was was often 20 yards away from the ball. What resulted was a slow sideways ball.
I'm not against possession for possessions' sake, I think Spain have been a great example over the last ~10 years of "defending with the ball," meaning that if you don't give the opposition the ball you defend well. Mourinho has also talked about "resting with the ball" being the best way to rest in football. But this was just a complete confusion as to what to do. And the players without the ball looked just as confused. I thought Dier was woeful, although Henderson took up a lot of the positions where he'd normally like to receive the ball. And the players further up the pitch, namely Alli, Walcott, and Lingard, seemed clueless as to how to help their team build from the back.
The good news is it's 18+ months until the next major tournament.0 -
No To both questionskillerandflash said:
a) Did you eat any horse?ashley said:
England were extremely lucky to get three points against WalesJiMMy 85 said:In all four games of the Euros we played teams that put 11 men behind the ball. While I wouldn't defend these overpaid prima donnas, I'd be keen to know how we would've fared against a team that attacked us. Especially if we'd kept the 11 together that beat Germany a few months earlier.
Russia were incredibly lucky to get a point, and one could argue that had a knock-on effect that we are still paying for today. That's not to say we wouldn't have been humiliated in some other way, but I truly don't think we are even with Slovakia or Malta. We're just not as good as Portugal, Germany and so on when it come to putting those teams away convincingly.
b) Did you sing "Goodbye Horse" before eating it?
And I didn't inject Horse either for the avoidance of any doubt
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