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Rubbish as a Player - Good Manager

DaveMehmet
DaveMehmet Posts: 21,601
in Other Football and Sports
Lennie Lawrence
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  • dizzee
    dizzee Posts: 5,616
    Di Canio
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,318
    Jose Mourinho and Alex Ferguson

    Hate to say it but would you put Alan Pardew in this category? Or would he be Okay Player / Okay Manager?
  • dizzee
    dizzee Posts: 5,616
    Iain Dowie
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,318
    Roy Hodgson
  • dizzee
    dizzee Posts: 5,616
    ForeverAddickted said:

    Jose Mourinho and Alex Ferguson

    Hate to say it but would you put Alan Pardew in this category? Or would he be Okay Player / Okay Manager?

    Rubbish player, rubbish manager and an awful person
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,318
    dizzee said:

    Iain Dowie

    Dowie wasnt rubbish as a Player... After all he was a Premier League Striker with West Ham
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,651
    Tony Pulis: third and fourth divisions as a player from what I remember.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,318
    LenGlover said:

    Tony Pulis: third and fourth divisions as a player from what I remember.

    Thats a difficult one though as was he a rubbish player or was he a good player at his level?

    You could say that Keith Peacock was a rubbish player because he never played in the top flight for us (?) yet spent his whole career around the Second / Third Division
  • InspectorSands
    InspectorSands Posts: 5,188
    Arsene Wenger mostly played only in amateur leagues.
  • Alwaysneil
    Alwaysneil Posts: 13,806
    Lucky he got in their first team. Have that professor.
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  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,846
    Pardew wasn't a rubbish player, FA Cup finalist, and scored many goals for us. Dowie was an international and played in the top flight

    To me it would be people like Lennie, Mourinho, Wenger who had no or little professional playing career

    Ferguson had a decent but unfulfilled playing career, a bit like Curbishley, where they probably felt they never achieved their full potential. I imagine this drove them on as managers
  • Gravesend_Addick
    Gravesend_Addick Posts: 7,299
    edited September 2016
    Ferguson & Morinho are the 2 that stand out. Hodgson also. Possibly Klopp, although I think he played in the German top division?
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,952
    Brendan Rodgers, depending on your view of him as a manager.
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,169
    Joachim Low was a bit of a second division journeyman but he's won himself a World Cup as manager
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,789
    Fergie rubbish as a player?

    I know that it was only Scotland but he did manage to score 171 goals in 317 appearances including 25 in 41 for Rangers as well as 45 in 51 for Dunfermiline in one season when he was top scorer in the Scottish League.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,318
    Garrymanilow said:

    Joachim Low was a bit of a second division journeyman but he's won himself a World Cup as manager

    Same with Jurgen Klopp with those who listened to him talking on MNF the other day
  • IA
    IA Posts: 6,103
    Karel Fraeye
  • dizzee
    dizzee Posts: 5,616
    What about Villas Boas?
  • Addick in SW16
    Addick in SW16 Posts: 1,421
    Addick Addict said:

    Fergie rubbish as a player?

    I know that it was only Scotland but he did manage to score 171 goals in 317 appearances including 25 in 41 for Rangers as well as 45 in 51 for Dunfermiline in one season when he was top scorer in the Scottish League.

    This. Fergie was a top marksman in his day.
  • cafc_harry
    cafc_harry Posts: 3,360
    On a similar line, who would we consider to be a great player and a great manager? Pep?
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  • cafc_harry
    cafc_harry Posts: 3,360
    Simeone too, not being managing for the longest time but achieved a lot so far.
  • iainambler
    iainambler Posts: 963
    ForeverAddickted said:

    LenGlover said:

    Tony Pulis: third and fourth divisions as a player from what I remember.

    Thats a difficult one though as was he a rubbish player or was he a good player at his level?

    You could say that Keith Peacock was a rubbish player because he never played in the top flight for us (?) yet spent his whole career around the Second / Third Division
    Surely it's not down to what league he is in but how well he plays in his league. Some element of consistency in form surely makes someone a great player even if its in a lower league?
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    Kevin Foley.

    Will be next Charlton managed and lead us to promotion this season.
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    Alan Curbishley - I thought he was a really shite player.
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,651
    edited September 2016
    ForeverAddickted said:

    LenGlover said:

    Tony Pulis: third and fourth divisions as a player from what I remember.

    Thats a difficult one though as was he a rubbish player or was he a good player at his level?

    You could say that Keith Peacock was a rubbish player because he never played in the top flight for us (?) yet spent his whole career around the Second / Third Division
    Surely 'rubbish' player is a relative term though?

    I wouldn't mind betting that Kent League players are 'good' compared to most of us on here for example!

    Pulis has spent around 10 years managing 2,3,4 tiers above the level he played at.

    Sir Keith Peacock never did that. His managerial career as MANAGER (rather than assistant manager as he was under Curbs) was spent at or below the level he played at.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,318
    iainambler said:

    ForeverAddickted said:

    LenGlover said:

    Tony Pulis: third and fourth divisions as a player from what I remember.

    Thats a difficult one though as was he a rubbish player or was he a good player at his level?

    You could say that Keith Peacock was a rubbish player because he never played in the top flight for us (?) yet spent his whole career around the Second / Third Division
    Surely it's not down to what league he is in but how well he plays in his league. Some element of consistency in form surely makes someone a great player even if its in a lower league?
    Thats what I meant
  • ashley
    ashley Posts: 531
    Eddie Howe
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    edited October 2016
    JessieAddick said:

    cafc_harry said:

    On a similar line, who would we consider to be a great player and a great manager? Pep?

    Ronald Koeman?
    Harsh. was a good player.

    However his managerial careers is dubious. Never seems to stay anywhere for more than 2 seasons.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,789
    ashley said:

    Eddie Howe

    Really? He didn't just play almost 300 games in the League for Bournemouth but also was an England U21 International.

    Wish I'd been that "rubbish".
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    Addick Addict said:

    ashley said:

    Eddie Howe

    Really? He didn't just play almost 300 games in the League for Bournemouth but also was an England U21 International.

    Wish I'd been that "rubbish".
    And his career got cut short through injury.

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