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England v Sri Lanka & Pakistan

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  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    236-6 12 needed off 3 overs
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    England win - comprehensively in the end. Good workout for Englnad who were in a bit of trouble at 77-4, but won quite comfortably in the end with 2 overs to spare.
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    'The widest wide ever seen' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/37252713

    Now, if it wasnt Pakistan..........
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    Final ODI today in Cardiff - England give a debut to Liam Dawson - another bowler who can bat.
    10.30 start.
    Pak win toss and will bowl first.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,844
    The_President said:

    Final ODI today in Cardiff - England give a debut to Liam Dawson - another bowler who can bat.
    10.30 start.
    Pak win toss and will bowl first.

    A bit tough on Dawson playing on a green seamer after Moeen and Rashid had fun on the Headingley turner!
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,995
    Eng 54-1 8 overs

    Hales was out caught.
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    Some interesting things coming out of South African cricket.... only five white players allowed to play in any team on average over a season, i wonder if this could result in many more KP type situations over here - i think almost certainly it will - if you are on the fringe of getting into the SA national team or any other team in SA, then it will be incredibly hard and if you have British or Dutch or German heritage, then it would be better for you to come play your cricket in ENgland - then again, with Brexit, would that mean only British heritage?

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/story/1053999.html
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    Eng 64-2 off 9.3 - Hales and Root out.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,995
    edited September 2016
    Hales c Malik b Amir 23
    Root b Hassan 9
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    69-2 off 10
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  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,995
    Morgan c & b Imad 10

    92-3
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    The_President said:

    Some interesting things coming out of South African cricket.... only five white players allowed to play in any team on average over a season, i wonder if this could result in many more KP type situations over here - i think almost certainly it will - if you are on the fringe of getting into the SA national team or any other team in SA, then it will be incredibly hard and if you have British or Dutch or German heritage, then it would be better for you to come play your cricket in ENgland - then again, with Brexit, would that mean only British heritage?

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/story/1053999.html

    It does seem extreme, and I really do fear the (continuing) influx of South African whites to English cricket, but when measured against the scale of historical wrongs that are being belatedly (if clumsily) righted, it doesn't seem so bad. Maybe some of these white players would be better off trying to get into the Test side on merit - there's still a place for them! De Villiers and Steyn can't go on forever. Besides, there may not be a need for a quota system in a few years, when the fault-lines of colonialism and apartheid have smoothed down a little.
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    edited September 2016
    Personally, i dont think that two wrongs make a right - but in the sporting arena, everything should be achieved on merit.I'd be pretty pissed off if i was the 6th best SA player, only not to play because an inferior player plays simply because of his colour.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    That argument is predicated on the 6 best players all being white, which isn't, to be fair, quite the case. SA has a lot of issues of privilege - a lot of the white players who make it to the highest level have received the best coaching throughout their childhood - something often denied young black players. This quota system is an attempt to change the culture from the ground up. It is clumsy, agreed, but it's got its heart in the right place.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    edited September 2016
    But this is the problem with most meritocratic arguments - they cannot acknowledge where the merit comes from, or they fall apart.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,844
    As it is calculated on an average basis, there is a real likelihood of some non white players just being brought it for the less essential games

    S Africa come on tour to England - normal team
    A couple of ODIs in Ireland - fill it with non white players
    Dead rubber in 5 match ODI series against Australia - fill it with non white players etc
  • Sillybilly
    Sillybilly Posts: 9,234
    Roy gone for 87
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    Of the current squad playing against NZ, of the 15, 8 are white...Van Zyl,Abbott,Morris,Steyn,Du Plessis,De Kock,Cook,ELgar...so, the likes of ABDV,Morkel,Miller i assume are either injured or rested. The remaining 7 are Amla,Bavuma,Duminy,Parnell,Philander,Piedt and Rabada.

    I would expect, given a fully fit side, this would likely be the lineup on merit....
    Edgar,Amla,ABDV,Du Plessis,Duminy,De Kock,Philander,Morris,Morkel,Steyn,Piedt - so, 7 whites, 4 non-whites.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    Morris ahead of Rabada? You're on drugs.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    Bavuma's also been batting a lot better than Duminy over the last year, but that's a non-white for a non-white.

    If the quota was set at 5, it'd make more sense, sure, given the current personnel.
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  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    edited September 2016
    Getting back to this game...Roy out for 87 ...170-4off 29.3

    Just know that Ben Stokes is gonna get out to an injudicious shot soon
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    Roy, you mean. All these quotas have confused you ;)
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    Leuth said:

    Morris ahead of Rabada? You're on drugs.

    Ah, yes ,of course, forgot about Rabada (he'd probably get into any team right now), so that would make 6 whites.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    Which is why a quota of 5 makes more sense right now. But it's 6, which does cause a problem.
  • SantaClaus
    SantaClaus Posts: 7,651
    The_President said:

    Getting back to this game...Root out for 87 ...170-4off 29.3

    Just know that Ben Stokes is gonna get out to an injudicious shot soon

    Just switched it on. Stokes' strike rate looks pretty poor/sensible by his standards. Maybe Ballance has been giving him some coaching.
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    SantaClaus said:

    The_President said:

    Getting back to this game...Root out for 87 ...170-4off 29.3

    Just know that Ben Stokes is gonna get out to an injudicious shot soon

    Just switched it on. Stokes' strike rate looks pretty poor/sensible by his standards. Maybe Ballance has been giving him some coaching.
    He's hit a couple of sixes in that too.
  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    Not sure about quotas... They deal with the symptom not the cause. Or is the aim to inventivise coaching and resources for non white players?
  • SantaClaus
    SantaClaus Posts: 7,651
    Lol
  • SantaClaus
    SantaClaus Posts: 7,651
    Still pissing myself. Thanks for that Stokes.
  • SantaClaus
    SantaClaus Posts: 7,651
    Stokes just played onto his stump

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