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Jordan Henderson rumoured to be the new England captain!

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  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,159
    Awful player. Definitely didn't make it into the squad based on current form so I can only imagine Sam has a plan for the overall shape of the team that requires him. He's hardly going to inspire the other players if no-one thinks he should even be getting on the pitch though
  • Gravesend_Addick
    Gravesend_Addick Posts: 7,299
    A Sam Allardyce England team won't be fun to watch, but we'll be well organised & disciplined. I think he'll do well (depending on your definition of 'well') Put it this way, I don't think we would've lost to Iceland with Big Sam in charge.
  • JiMMy 85
    JiMMy 85 Posts: 10,189
    Henderson wasn't playing in the team that put in the worst performance in the history of English tournament football. So while I don't rate him very highly, it's not as though he will do any worse.

    Rooney might be good around the camp, but I don't think he has said a single word in public about this year's debacle. No apology or explanation as to why they failed their country. So fuck him.
  • thewolfboy
    thewolfboy Posts: 2,927
    It might explain why Sam was trying to lure Terry out of retirement - as his captain. The only players I like in the England team at the moment are the Spurs bunch, especially the full backs but none of them are captain material at the moment. Drinkwater is barely in the team. Henderson is so average and not a particularly a good club captain. Perhaps make Hart an interim captain until someone else steps up. Rooney should step down imo.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,839
    thewolfboy said:

    It might explain why Sam was trying to lure Terry out of retirement - as his captain. The only players I like in the England team at the moment are the Spurs bunch, especially the full backs but none of them are captain material at the moment. Drinkwater is barely in the team. Henderson is so average and not a particularly a good club captain. Perhaps make Hart an interim captain until someone else steps up. Rooney should step down imo.

    Unfortunately none of the dominant British CB Captains are available to England, with Morgan and Williams playing for other countries, as both seem to have leadership qualities that the younger England players who've risen to the top quicker lack.
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,943
    No obvious candidate at the moment.

    Going game by game for now would make sense.
  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,484
    Rooney retains captaincy has been confirmed.
  • Can-addick
    Can-addick Posts: 691
    edited August 2016
    An "easy decision", apparently.
  • jdsd42
    jdsd42 Posts: 1,497
    Antonio is a strange decision......and as someone said earlier Allardyce teams are not good to watch - its virtually Roy's team ....so if they have two shots t goal they have improved
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,240
    jdsd42 said:

    Antonio is a strange decision......and as someone said earlier Allardyce teams are not good to watch - its virtually Roy's team ....so if they have two shots t goal they have improved

    Antonio has scored the most back post headers since the start of last season in the premier league. Big indication of how we'll play under Big Sam.
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  • soapy_jones
    soapy_jones Posts: 21,347
    Could Sam be our REAL LIFE Mike Bassett?

    Fookin excellent!
  • SDAddick
    SDAddick Posts: 14,467
    jdsd42 said:

    Antonio is a strange decision......and as someone said earlier Allardyce teams are not good to watch - its virtually Roy's team ....so if they have two shots t goal they have improved

    To be fair, apart from maybe Townsend and Delph, there wasn't really anyone knocking on the door of the Euros squad who was fit. Ox has started on the bench for both Arsenal games I believe, but I'd still like to see him in the squad. I still think it's not a bad squad. I think they underperformed so badly in France in part because they came up against teams who sit very deep, and they have, and will struggle against those types of teams.

    The other big part of that struggle was a change in formation, and moving Rooney back into midfield so near the tournament--abandoning the tactics they'd used in qualifying and the friendlies against Holland and Germany. Playing Rooney in midfield meant he took up space that the likes of Alli, Dier, and when he came on Wilshere liked to take up, and basically completely clogged up the midfield.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 35,992
    jdsd42 said:

    Antonio is a strange decision......and as someone said earlier Allardyce teams are not good to watch - its virtually Roy's team ....so if they have two shots t goal they have improved

    Why? At least he's a player in form. 10 league goals in 29 games since the start of last season.
    Compare that to Walcott who still manages to get picked. He's got 16 goals since August 2013.
  • MountsfieldPark
    MountsfieldPark Posts: 2,074
    You've got to give the captaincy to Joe Hart. He's head and shoulders above the rest.

    Dear oh dear.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    Hart's place is far from certain!
  • SantaClaus
    SantaClaus Posts: 7,651
    soapy_jones said:

    Could Sam be our REAL LIFE Mike Bassett?

    Fookin excellent!

    Paul Benson for England :smile:
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,159
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:

    jdsd42 said:

    Antonio is a strange decision......and as someone said earlier Allardyce teams are not good to watch - its virtually Roy's team ....so if they have two shots t goal they have improved

    Why? At least he's a player in form. 10 league goals in 29 games since the start of last season.
    Compare that to Walcott who still manages to get picked. He's got 16 goals since August 2013.
    He's played a lot of those games at right back as well. His goal return is absolutely fantastic and in international football a player who can pop up with a goal is so much more important
  • palarsehater
    palarsehater Posts: 12,296
    wayne rooney announces hell retire from international football after 2018 world cup so thats another 2 years of him in the team then.
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,841
    palarsehater said:

    wayne rooney announces hell retire from international football after 2018 world cup so thats another 2 years of him in the team then.

    Yep - looks like he's picked himself for the next two years.

  • SDAddick
    SDAddick Posts: 14,467
    Garrymanilow said:

    Chris_from_Sidcup said:

    jdsd42 said:

    Antonio is a strange decision......and as someone said earlier Allardyce teams are not good to watch - its virtually Roy's team ....so if they have two shots t goal they have improved

    Why? At least he's a player in form. 10 league goals in 29 games since the start of last season.
    Compare that to Walcott who still manages to get picked. He's got 16 goals since August 2013.
    He's played a lot of those games at right back as well. His goal return is absolutely fantastic and in international football a player who can pop up with a goal is so much more important
    He's played some at right back, but it's been more of a wingback that he's played where he looks dangerous going forward and decent at the back. Not a great/international quality defender certainly, but always handy to have a "plan B." Given England's lack of natural width, it might not be a bad idea to at least consider a 3-5-2 at some point (Shaw and Walker marauding) assuming England can find three center backs worth of the name.

    As for the whole Walcott thing, yeah, me neither.
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  • soapy_jones
    soapy_jones Posts: 21,347
    Fucking Rooney?

    That's it i've just turned Scottish!
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 35,992
    Garrymanilow said:

    Chris_from_Sidcup said:

    jdsd42 said:

    Antonio is a strange decision......and as someone said earlier Allardyce teams are not good to watch - its virtually Roy's team ....so if they have two shots t goal they have improved

    Why? At least he's a player in form. 10 league goals in 29 games since the start of last season.
    Compare that to Walcott who still manages to get picked. He's got 16 goals since August 2013.
    He's played a lot of those games at right back as well. His goal return is absolutely fantastic and in international football a player who can pop up with a goal is so much more important
    Exactly. I'd much prefer an in form player from a lesser club get picked instead of a waste of space who gets picked just because he's at a big club
  • CAFCsayer
    CAFCsayer Posts: 10,222
    I would have given it to Eric Dier... Will always play and comes across well
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,757
    Rumoured that he isn't in the provisional Euros squad
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    Addick Addict said:
    Rumoured that he isn't in the provisional Euros squad
    Slightly surprised if this is the case as was sure he would be, but it's the right decision. 
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,240
    Addick Addict said:
    Rumoured that he isn't in the provisional Euros squad
    Why would he be? Played 6 months in Saudi for a team barely in the top 6, and have half the points of the league leaders, then made just 9 appearances for Ajax, who finished 5th, 35 points behind the league winners. He also missed the whole of April due to injury 
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    sam3110 said:
    Addick Addict said:
    Rumoured that he isn't in the provisional Euros squad
    Why would he be? Played 6 months in Saudi for a team barely in the top 6, and have half the points of the league leaders, then made just 9 appearances for Ajax, who finished 5th, 35 points behind the league winners. He also missed the whole of April due to injury 
    Because Southgate loves him
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,159
    edited May 2024

    cafcfan1990 said:
    sam3110 said:
    Addick Addict said:
    Rumoured that he isn't in the provisional Euros squad
    Why would he be? Played 6 months in Saudi for a team barely in the top 6, and have half the points of the league leaders, then made just 9 appearances for Ajax, who finished 5th, 35 points behind the league winners. He also missed the whole of April due to injury 
    Because Southgate loves him
    Southgate likes him for the calm and experience he brings off the pitch, as well as his maturity on it. At this point he's shown over the course of a full season that he can't do the second part anymore so taking him would just be for his experience. Can't really afford to do that in midfield though so it makes sense that he wouldn't go. We don't have the best central midfielders in terms of depth but in Rice, Bellingham and Gallagher there's a good amount of maturity despite their youth so there's less need for a Henderson type. Southgate has done the same with Conor Coady; apparently he's incredible to have around the place in a squad abroad where everything can be a bit dull but his level has dropped too low for him to be included
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,907
    Garrymanilow said:

    cafcfan1990 said:
    sam3110 said:
    Addick Addict said:
    Rumoured that he isn't in the provisional Euros squad
    Why would he be? Played 6 months in Saudi for a team barely in the top 6, and have half the points of the league leaders, then made just 9 appearances for Ajax, who finished 5th, 35 points behind the league winners. He also missed the whole of April due to injury 
    Because Southgate loves him
    Southgate likes him for the calm and experience he brings off the pitch, as well as his maturity on it. At this point he's shown over the course of a full season that he can't do the second part anymore so taking him would just be for his experience. Can't really afford to do that in midfield though so it makes sense that he wouldn't go. We don't have the best central midfielders in terms of depth but in Rice, Bellingham and Gallagher there's a good amount of maturity despite their youth so there's less need for a Henderson type. Southgate has done the same with Conor Coady; apparently he's incredible to have around the place in a squad abroad where everything can be a bit dull but his level has dropped too low for him to be included
    Take them as coaches
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,839
    He should have been dropped once he left Liverpool to join a retirement league. It's not as if he's a superstar carrying a team of ordinary players, he's someone who's all about workrate and sharpness.

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