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England fans / Ireland fans double standards

The_Organiser
The_Organiser Posts: 3,999
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It's been suggested many times (not only in this tournament but down the years) that Ireland fans are the salt of the earth, respectful, humorous etc etc.

Engkand fans are often condemned (sometimes rightly so) but in this tournament esp so for having the audacity to be in groups, drunk, singing (in some peoples eyes) offensive songs.

It's also been said that England's anti IRA (a reminder that they were/are a terrorist organisation) songs are a disgrace, not relevant, offensive etc etc.

So what is the honest view of the Irish here:

https://www.facebook.com/595030030572248/videos/1071706332904613/

Hope the link works - sure someone can sort it for me if not.

Anti queen, anti Britain.

Does it offend me? No. Do I always want them to lose? Yes. Does the double standard annoy me? Hell yes.

Many like me know what a significant minority of their support can be like but I feel others have their eyes blinded too it.
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  • northstandsteve
    northstandsteve Posts: 14,328
    Fuckin wankers
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,975
    This is exactly why I can't understand the Irish love-in
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    Ireland, Scotland and Welsh always get a nice little mention in dispatches. Brave on the pitch a good 'craic' off it. England, over paid arrogant and trouble
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,031
    I find the sweaties more annoying.
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    ElfsborgAddick said:

    I find the swedes more annoying.

  • Brendan_O_Connell
    Brendan_O_Connell Posts: 8,938
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    ElfsborgAddick said:

    I find the plastic frogs more annoying.

  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,031
    edited June 2016
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    ElfsborgAddick said:

    I find the swedes more annoying.

    That is a first.

    Varfor tror du Sverige folk ar et problem?
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    Brendan_O_Connell said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    ElfsborgAddick said:

    I find the plastic frogs more annoying.

    The acceptable face of racism..... sad face
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,975
    Some lovely comments under that video.
  • colthe3rd
    colthe3rd Posts: 8,486
    As a future Irish passport holder I don't see what you're all getting upset about.
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  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    colthe3rd said:

    As a future Irish passport holder I don't see what you're all getting upset about.

    Prick
  • Red_in_SE8
    Red_in_SE8 Posts: 5,961
    The Organiser said:

    It's been suggested many times (not only in this tournament but down the years) that Ireland fans are the salt of the earth, respectful, humorous etc etc.

    Engkand fans are often condemned (sometimes rightly so) but in this tournament esp so for having the audacity to be in groups, drunk, singing (in some peoples eyes) offensive songs.

    It's also been said that England's anti IRA (a reminder that they were/are a terrorist organisation) songs are a disgrace, not relevant, offensive etc etc.

    So what is the honest view of the Irish here:

    https://www.facebook.com/595030030572248/videos/1071706332904613/

    Hope the link works - sure someone can sort it for me if not.

    Anti queen, anti Britain.

    Does it offend me? No. Do I always want them to lose? Yes. Does the double standard annoy me? Hell yes.

    Many like me know what a significant minority of their support can be like but I feel others have their eyes blinded too it.

    Personally never had a real problem with England fans singing anti IRA songs.

    Have you got any video links showing Irish fans in a foreign country singing and dancing, hurling abuse at locals, singing 'stand up if you hate the (the people who live in that country), and throwing bottles and chairs at the police? If you have I would get the point you are making.

    Having said that I do find the hype about Irish fans and their craic tiresome now. Their fans are no better or worse than the fantastic fans who have been following most of the countries in this tournament.
  • swords_alive
    swords_alive Posts: 4,259
    edited June 2016
    colthe3rd said:

    As a future Irish passport holder I don't see what you're all getting upset about.

    Absolutely. Got to say thanks for posting. Quite instructive in how to have fun while abroad with my new passport, enjoying the tolerance of Europe.
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    What mugs. As VG says, the Irish love in is a joke.
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,031
    This thread has got mileage.
  • eaststandmike
    eaststandmike Posts: 14,956
    ValleyGary said:

    Some lovely comments under that video.

    I spotted those, social media at its best.
  • The_Organiser
    The_Organiser Posts: 3,999
    Red_in_SE8 said:

    The Organiser said:

    It's been suggested many times (not only in this tournament but down the years) that Ireland fans are the salt of the earth, respectful, humorous etc etc.

    Engkand fans are often condemned (sometimes rightly so) but in this tournament esp so for having the audacity to be in groups, drunk, singing (in some peoples eyes) offensive songs.

    It's also been said that England's anti IRA (a reminder that they were/are a terrorist organisation) songs are a disgrace, not relevant, offensive etc etc.

    So what is the honest view of the Irish here:

    https://www.facebook.com/595030030572248/videos/1071706332904613/

    Hope the link works - sure someone can sort it for me if not.

    Anti queen, anti Britain.

    Does it offend me? No. Do I always want them to lose? Yes. Does the double standard annoy me? Hell yes.

    Many like me know what a significant minority of their support can be like but I feel others have their eyes blinded too it.

    Personally never had a real problem with England fans singing anti IRA songs.

    Have you got any video links showing Irish fans in a foreign country singing and dancing, hurling abuse at locals, singing 'stand up if you hate the (the people who live in that country), and throwing bottles and chairs at the police? If you have I would get the point you are making.

    Having said that I do find the hype about Irish fans and their craic tiresome now. Their fans are no better or worse than the fantastic fans who have been following most of the countries in this tournament.
    So really no condemning and turn it back to England bashing?

    The fact that no one knows or cares who they are means it's unlikely they have groups of local ultras wanting to attack them, leading to OTT police reactions to them defending themselves, which leads to people lobbing bottles at them.

    If the above happened I'm pretty sure you'd see exactly the same from them that you see from England fans.

    I think the fact England's two subsequent games (one a potential troublesome one against Wales) have been completely trouble free, might just show that maybe, just maybe there were other forces at play in Marseille (as predicted by most people beforehand).
  • colthe3rd
    colthe3rd Posts: 8,486
    Just to add some balance, I've got a video of England fans singing 10 German Bombers from a pub in Nice if anyone wants to see it.
  • soapy_jones
    soapy_jones Posts: 21,350
    Never ever understood this love in with them. Fuck them.
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,975
    colthe3rd said:

    Just to add some balance, I've got a video of England fans singing 10 German Bombers from a pub in Nice if anyone wants to see it.

    We already know some England fans are pricks. This is about Ireland fans.
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  • colthe3rd
    colthe3rd Posts: 8,486
    ValleyGary said:

    colthe3rd said:

    Just to add some balance, I've got a video of England fans singing 10 German Bombers from a pub in Nice if anyone wants to see it.

    We already know some England fans are pricks. This is about some Ireland fans.
    Fixed for you there pal.
  • C_A_F_C
    C_A_F_C Posts: 3,866
    Can we all just agree that it would be better if everyone kept Politics/Wars out of Football?
  • The_Organiser
    The_Organiser Posts: 3,999
    colthe3rd said:

    Just to add some balance, I've got a video of England fans singing 10 German Bombers from a pub in Nice if anyone wants to see it.

    Hardly the same - even the bloody Germans love that song. It was sung non-bloody stop throughout 2006 with them joining in and even starting it half the time. It's now zzzzzzz.
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    The Organiser said:

    colthe3rd said:

    Just to add some balance, I've got a video of England fans singing 10 German Bombers from a pub in Nice if anyone wants to see it.

    Hardly the same - even the bloody Germans love that song. It was sung non-bloody stop throughout 2006 with them joining in and even starting it half the time. It's now zzzzzzz.
    They do - over in Germany in 2006 myself, and they were joining in signing in the bars.

    But hey, some people just want to get in a dig towards England.
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,617
    ValleyGary said:

    colthe3rd said:

    Just to add some balance, I've got a video of England fans singing 10 German Bombers from a pub in Nice if anyone wants to see it.

    We already know some England fans are pricks. This is about Ireland fans.
    Not according to the title of the tread it isn't.

  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,975
    colthe3rd said:

    ValleyGary said:

    colthe3rd said:

    Just to add some balance, I've got a video of England fans singing 10 German Bombers from a pub in Nice if anyone wants to see it.

    We already know some England fans are pricks. This is about some Ireland fans.
    Fixed for you there pal.
    Yes some.

    The original post states it's a small minority of their support. What was the point of yours?
  • TelMc32
    TelMc32 Posts: 9,048
    What a lovely Facebook page you follow there.

    Some Irish fans being rude about the Queen, followed by a load of foul mouthed Brits spouting off about aforementioned Irish fans.

    Had a look at a number of the other posts on there. Think it says a lot about the people who think it's worth following!
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,975
    edited June 2016
    TelMc32 said:

    What a lovely Facebook page you follow there.

    Some Irish fans being rude about the Queen, followed by a load of foul mouthed Brits spouting off about aforementioned Irish fans.

    Had a look at a number of the other posts on there. Think it says a lot about the people who think it's worth following!

    Yeah there's none on there from Irish fans either.

    Or did you skip over the ones laughing about the two Northern Ireland fans dying???
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    TelMc32 said:

    What a lovely Facebook page you follow there.

    Some Irish fans being rude about the Queen, followed by a load of foul mouthed Brits spouting off about aforementioned Irish fans.

    Had a look at a number of the other posts on there. Think it says a lot about the people who think it's worth following!

    I follow that page!!

    ; )
  • colthe3rd
    colthe3rd Posts: 8,486
    ValleyGary said:

    colthe3rd said:

    ValleyGary said:

    colthe3rd said:

    Just to add some balance, I've got a video of England fans singing 10 German Bombers from a pub in Nice if anyone wants to see it.

    We already know some England fans are pricks. This is about some Ireland fans.
    Fixed for you there pal.
    Yes some.

    The original post states it's a small minority of their support. What was the point of yours?
    I was just making sure you weren't labeling an entire fanbase but you understand that so all good.

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