Englands Euro 2016 squad and chances.
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No need. You can just call me Duke if its easier.ForeverAddickted said:
Would someone please sink this now!!ricky_otto said:
I prefer Duke of Lauenburg.ForeverAddickted said:
Ahhh so your Ricky Otto von Bismarck?ricky_otto said:Think we have a great chance. I'm German btw.
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I don't think we have an average defence. I think we have a poor defence.ValleyGary said:Think this will be a tournament where you can get away with having an average defence if your attack is gonna bail you out.
Go through the squads and defence is probably most sides weakness.
Rose/Walker/Clyne are all good attacking full backs which against sides like those in our group is important. It's why we done well in qualifying. Then if we finish top we play another average side in the second round.
In the World Cup our defence was found out by Luiz Suarez and Balloteli, we won't face that type of quality until the Quarters/Semis (apart from Bale who's gonNa be carrying Simon Church and his mates)2 -
If Rashford is not going and Rooney is now a midfielder it would mean we are only taking 3 strikers - to a knock out competition?
Not my idea of the way to win it.1 -
Are Scotland in it?0
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Is exactly why I'd leave Rashford in the Squad... Even if it means we have five Strikers it means we've different formation optionsRedrobo said:If Rashford is not going and Rooney is now a midfielder it would mean we are only taking 3 strikers - to a knock out competition?
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After that sturridge goal they might as well give us the trophy now.3
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I was naming central midfielders. I take your point and I think I sort of agree with you. I guess my feeling on Noble is that there is always going to be a player, like Shawcross or Wed Morgan if he hadn't played for Jamaica, who is a Premier League stalwart and therefore has some people baying for his inclusion even though their style of play only works in the Premier League.colthe3rd said:
You're just naming midfielders there and not even ones that play in the same position as Noble. Just because someone is English and plays in the PL doesn't necessarily mean they are International standard. My point still stands. The midfield (along with practically the whole squad) picks itself, purely based on the fact that there isn't the required depth (see Wilshere and Delph being in there when had a similar level player who had been playing well all season would have been included instead).SDAddick said:
I wouldn't have Noble within 1,000 miles of the squad, but ahead of him you have Dier, Wilshere, Henderson, Alli, Barkley, Drinkwater, Delph, Lallana, Milner, Ox, Shelvey. It's not a bad amount of depth.colthe3rd said:See that makes no sense. If you are justifying Wilshere then it justifies Delph. Delph has been excellent in the England games he has played. Personally I'd rather have neither. Wilshere is massively overrated and has started 1 game this season and Delph hasn't played enough either. However, when the answer to these problems is Mark Noble then it shows the depth of quality for English players is very thin at the moment.
I'm not intentionally being negative about England, in fact I am quite excited about this summer. There are some exciting young/new talents in there. I don't necessarily think we will go deep in the tournament based on the lack of depth we have but I think there will be some enjoyable moments.
I think where we disagree is that I think this group of midfielders is a strong group, and a young one. Dier and Alli (22, 20) provide two good bookends to the midfield, and the argument is really who can play the shuttling role going up and back. I disagree with you, I think Wilshere can be a very good play on his day (he does seem to fluctuate between over and under-rated). Henderson played that role very well against Germany, and Delph played that role and on the left of the diamond well in qualifying. I don't really think this is the problem area of the team, with Drinkwater as cover for Dier and Barkley cover for Alli (I don't rate him as highly as some but he has ability).
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Redrobo said:
If Rashford is not going and Rooney is now a midfielder it would mean we are only taking 3 strikers - to a knock out competition?
Not my idea of the way to win it.
Spain won a tournament without playing any strikers once.
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I watched the Cup Final on saturday, and realised that idiot who got sent off is a Lynch pin of the England defence. Palace tormented Smalling - what will the Germans, Spaniards and French do to him- Honestly, it seems we have the basis of a decent squad finally, but if our defence contains the likes of Smalling, the attackers will have no chance of keeping up with the goals going in due to our defence. Sounds like the turks gave us a tough time at the back too! Sorry but unless Roy conjures up a seriously new defence, this will be another duff tournament for us.2
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I don't necessarily disagree with you that much. I think there is some real talent in the midfield area. My problem/worry is just the depth. We can just about fill up the midfield positions with decent to very good players it's just beyond that there is a bit of a dearth of talent. I think this is proved by Wilshere and Delph both being selected. Good players yes but would not be near the squad had players of a similar level who had played an entire season been an option.SDAddick said:
I was naming central midfielders. I take your point and I think I sort of agree with you. I guess my feeling on Noble is that there is always going to be a player, like Shawcross or Wed Morgan if he hadn't played for Jamaica, who is a Premier League stalwart and therefore has some people baying for his inclusion even though their style of play only works in the Premier League.colthe3rd said:
You're just naming midfielders there and not even ones that play in the same position as Noble. Just because someone is English and plays in the PL doesn't necessarily mean they are International standard. My point still stands. The midfield (along with practically the whole squad) picks itself, purely based on the fact that there isn't the required depth (see Wilshere and Delph being in there when had a similar level player who had been playing well all season would have been included instead).SDAddick said:
I wouldn't have Noble within 1,000 miles of the squad, but ahead of him you have Dier, Wilshere, Henderson, Alli, Barkley, Drinkwater, Delph, Lallana, Milner, Ox, Shelvey. It's not a bad amount of depth.colthe3rd said:See that makes no sense. If you are justifying Wilshere then it justifies Delph. Delph has been excellent in the England games he has played. Personally I'd rather have neither. Wilshere is massively overrated and has started 1 game this season and Delph hasn't played enough either. However, when the answer to these problems is Mark Noble then it shows the depth of quality for English players is very thin at the moment.
I'm not intentionally being negative about England, in fact I am quite excited about this summer. There are some exciting young/new talents in there. I don't necessarily think we will go deep in the tournament based on the lack of depth we have but I think there will be some enjoyable moments.
I think where we disagree is that I think this group of midfielders is a strong group, and a young one. Dier and Alli (22, 20) provide two good bookends to the midfield, and the argument is really who can play the shuttling role going up and back. I disagree with you, I think Wilshere can be a very good play on his day (he does seem to fluctuate between over and under-rated). Henderson played that role very well against Germany, and Delph played that role and on the left of the diamond well in qualifying. I don't really think this is the problem area of the team, with Drinkwater as cover for Dier and Barkley cover for Alli (I don't rate him as highly as some but he has ability).1 - Sponsored links:
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"Leicester City striker Jamie Vardy will miss England's friendly against Australia on Friday - because he is getting married just two days before."
Now i know it's only a friendly, and he's apparently already moved it once, but why not just move it until after the Euro's?
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He was told he'd have 7-10 days off after the season, he already moved it last year, and some things are more important than football.5
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don't see an issue, after Friday they play next Thursday - he gets married Wednesday and no doubt joins back up on MondayChris_from_Sidcup said:"Leicester City striker Jamie Vardy will miss England's friendly against Australia on Friday - because he is getting married just two days before."
Now i know it's only a friendly, and he's apparently already moved it once, but why not just move it until after the Euro's?4 -
No issue at all for me.Chris_from_Sidcup said:"Leicester City striker Jamie Vardy will miss England's friendly against Australia on Friday - because he is getting married just two days before."
Now i know it's only a friendly, and he's apparently already moved it once, but why not just move it until after the Euro's?
There is no point having these three matches if the same players play in every single match. Good opportunity for someone to try and take his place.4 -
My thoughts exactly. He didn't exactly work as a left forward, so I think whether he was there on Friday or not it's be good to try someone else in that role.SouthWest_Addicks said:
No issue at all for me.Chris_from_Sidcup said:"Leicester City striker Jamie Vardy will miss England's friendly against Australia on Friday - because he is getting married just two days before."
Now i know it's only a friendly, and he's apparently already moved it once, but why not just move it until after the Euro's?
There is no point having these three matches if the same players play in every single match. Good opportunity for someone to try and take his place.0 -
Agree. I doubt many players will play in all 3 games. No different to the man Utd and Liverpool players not being available yesterday. Ideal chance for Rashford to show what he can do. Vardy has played all but 2 games this season, so could probably do with a game off anyway.Elthamaddick said:
don't see an issue, after Friday they play next Thursday - he gets married Wednesday and no doubt joins back up on MondayChris_from_Sidcup said:"Leicester City striker Jamie Vardy will miss England's friendly against Australia on Friday - because he is getting married just two days before."
Now i know it's only a friendly, and he's apparently already moved it once, but why not just move it until after the Euro's?
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On a slightly different note, our season has been so crap what odds on Churchino scoring against England?
Is he in their squad?2 -
Sturridge and Rooney as well, depending on formations. Lallana could play on the left of a 3 man attack if we play 433. Indeed we have a LOT of options up front and with one game before the party is finalised, it makes sense to try things outricky_otto said:
Agree. I doubt many players will play in all 3 games. No different to the man Utd and Liverpool players not being available yesterday. Ideal chance for Rashford to show what he can do. Vardy has played all but 2 games this season, so could probably do with a game off anyway.Elthamaddick said:
don't see an issue, after Friday they play next Thursday - he gets married Wednesday and no doubt joins back up on MondayChris_from_Sidcup said:"Leicester City striker Jamie Vardy will miss England's friendly against Australia on Friday - because he is getting married just two days before."
Now i know it's only a friendly, and he's apparently already moved it once, but why not just move it until after the Euro's?
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Very generous saying Smalling is International class imo. He is the best of an average bunch but he will not bring any game changing plan to an oppositions attack.Tutt-Tutt said:One International class defender in Smalling, the rest are average/inexperiened/ better at going forward than defending. A shame because we look good in midfield & attack.
England have to keep the ball up the other end to minimize the conceding risk.
England will somehow crawl to the semis.1 -
Yeah remember that the 26 is being cut to 23 after this Australia game so it is the final chance for rashford, Townsend, delph, wilshere and sterling to prove they should be in the squad. Vardys place is secured.
Sterling looked poor and low on confidence imo yesterday.0 - Sponsored links:
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Sterling looks completely different from the player he was a year ago. Could need a kick up the arse so perhaps being dropped from the squad would help or would that just compound the problems further? At the moment there's probably a strong argument to keep Townsend and get rid of Sterling.0
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It's the classic story of a young player getting a big money move, and struggling at his new club with the expectation and struggling to get enough matchescolthe3rd said:Sterling looks completely different from the player he was a year ago. Could need a kick up the arse so perhaps being dropped from the squad would help or would that just compound the problems further? At the moment there's probably a strong argument to keep Townsend and get rid of Sterling.
Rodwell, Delph, Sterling, Sinclair all fall into this category to varying degrees, as does the likes of Bony.2 -
The bloke wanted his high move and big bucks - got it and guess what? He's gone backwards and seems really disinterested. Big game for him yesterday,l at his home ground, but he never really showed up. Did well at Liverpool, but imo one of the most over rated, over hyped players about. Doesn't deserve a place.colthe3rd said:Sterling looks completely different from the player he was a year ago. Could need a kick up the arse so perhaps being dropped from the squad would help or would that just compound the problems further? At the moment there's probably a strong argument to keep Townsend and get rid of Sterling.
He reminds me a bit of Shaun Wright- Phillips. Decent enough, but never reached a level he could have. And then spent most of his career content with sitting on the bench counting his money.
It's shame because he clearly has the talent, but will probably not fulfil it.
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Completely disagree, Sterling has touch and technical ability that SWP never, ever had. I really loved watching SWP at his peak, but he was always an incredibly one-footed knock it and run player. Sterling has far more guile, cleverness, and close control.ricky_otto said:
The bloke wanted his high move and big bucks - got it and guess what? He's gone backwards and seems really disinterested. Big game for him yesterday,l at his home ground, but he never really showed up. Did well at Liverpool, but imo one of the most over rated, over hyped players about. Doesn't deserve a place.colthe3rd said:Sterling looks completely different from the player he was a year ago. Could need a kick up the arse so perhaps being dropped from the squad would help or would that just compound the problems further? At the moment there's probably a strong argument to keep Townsend and get rid of Sterling.
He reminds me a bit of Shaun Wright- Phillips. Decent enough, but never reached a level he could have. And then spent most of his career content with sitting on the bench counting his money.
It's shame because he clearly has the talent, but will probably not fulfil it.
In a competitive match, Sterling would have had his FB on a booking from the 15th minutes, and would have been able to cause a lot more havoc down that side. He's not at his best, but he's only 21. Football365 put it best for me:
"Played a part in the opening goal, and was fouled on numerous occasions as Caner Erkin struggled to halt his progress. Unfortunately, Sterling is now being judged from a default position of negativity, as if he must prove his critics wrong in order to justify a place, but he’s still England’s quickest attacking player and therefore potentially most dangerous. At 21, let’s let him breathe a little bit. Completed six dribbles, more than any other player on the pitch, despite his early departure."3 -
I know he has played there all season and been great there but I'd take Dier away from the mid and stick him centre back, Stones is an accident waiting to happen, Cahill is bang average, Smalling probably the best of the bunch but still dodgy. I'd rather see Drinkwater, Henderson or Rooney playing a holding mid if it meant not watching Stones or Cahill.
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Clyne Dier Smalling Rose
Rooney
Wilshere Lallana
Alli
Kane Vardy
Something like that I'd go with, maybe replace Lallana with Rooney and have Drinkwater protecting the back. Stones or Cahill should not be starting for England. Neither have even had a decent season.1 -
Which is why I said he reminded me a 'bit' of SWP. Clearly Sterling is a better player and has far more technical ability. I can see his career going down the route of SWP. Personally think he should have stayed at Liverpool where he thrived on playing every week. at City he doesn't. Maybe under Pep he will get back to his old self.SDAddick said:
Completely disagree, Sterling has touch and technical ability that SWP never, ever had. I really loved watching SWP at his peak, but he was always an incredibly one-footed knock it and run player. Sterling has far more guile, cleverness, and close control.ricky_otto said:
The bloke wanted his high move and big bucks - got it and guess what? He's gone backwards and seems really disinterested. Big game for him yesterday,l at his home ground, but he never really showed up. Did well at Liverpool, but imo one of the most over rated, over hyped players about. Doesn't deserve a place.colthe3rd said:Sterling looks completely different from the player he was a year ago. Could need a kick up the arse so perhaps being dropped from the squad would help or would that just compound the problems further? At the moment there's probably a strong argument to keep Townsend and get rid of Sterling.
He reminds me a bit of Shaun Wright- Phillips. Decent enough, but never reached a level he could have. And then spent most of his career content with sitting on the bench counting his money.
It's shame because he clearly has the talent, but will probably not fulfil it.
In a competitive match, Sterling would have had his FB on a booking from the 15th minutes, and would have been able to cause a lot more havoc down that side. He's not at his best, but he's only 21. Football365 put it best for me:
"Played a part in the opening goal, and was fouled on numerous occasions as Caner Erkin struggled to halt his progress. Unfortunately, Sterling is now being judged from a default position of negativity, as if he must prove his critics wrong in order to justify a place, but he’s still England’s quickest attacking player and therefore potentially most dangerous. At 21, let’s let him breathe a little bit. Completed six dribbles, more than any other player on the pitch, despite his early departure."
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Final 23 will be announced tomorrow.
Townsend and ...... To miss out
Can't call it.1 -
I'd hate to see it be Sturridge, he's so talented, and he has the quality to change a game with his sheer ability.
I would have said Rashford up until recently, but I'm somewhat intrigued by playing him on the left in the Wellbeck role. The wank-a-thon that was Friday's match was all way too over the top for me, and I'm still not entirely convinced by him, but I think he has a decent case. Would take a half fit Sturridge over him in a heartbeat.
Personally, I'd drop Townsend and Walker, as previously stated. I thought Drinkwater was dreaful playing on the left side of a diamond against Australia. That being said, it's not a natural position for him.1 -
Agree with most of that. Everyone was banging on about Rashford this and that, but am sorry he scored against a fairly poor Australia side in comparison to the teams we will be facing in the European Championships. The defending was also woeful for that goal.SDAddick said:I'd hate to see it be Sturridge, he's so talented, and he has the quality to change a game with his sheer ability.
I would have said Rashford up until recently, but I'm somewhat intrigued by playing him on the left in the Wellbeck role. The wank-a-thon that was Friday's match was all way too over the top for me, and I'm still not entirely convinced by him, but I think he has a decent case. Would take a half fit Sturridge over him in a heartbeat.
Personally, I'd drop Townsend and Walker, as previously stated. I thought Drinkwater was dreaful playing on the left side of a diamond against Australia. That being said, it's not a natural position for him.
Sturridge has so much more ability and brings something much more than what Rashford does.
I thought Townsend showed why he could stay in the 23 as he is exciting something totally different again to the rest of the midfielders.
I believe Barkley may miss out along with one of Sturridge, Townsend or Drinkwater. All of which I really hope makes it but unfortunately won't. Not now Henderson and Wilshere came through injury free, Roy is bound to take them both, rightly or wrongly.
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Agree about Sterling. The game seemed to come so easy to him a season or two ago.
A real slog for him now. Looks a lame duck to me. Leave him at home.1
