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Late goal at Guisley v Braintree
smudge7946
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Read about this earlier and whilst the keeper makes no effort to stop the ball, which I doubt he could, this is hardly fair is it and would have caused a riot at some grounds.0
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Cheats. They should have let them walk the ball in from the kick off. They said they didn't because the keeper was trying to be clever.0
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Limpest thrown in ever0
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Those 2 points lost for Braintree could be vital to them getting to the playoffs too0
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How is that a grey area? Fella whacks it straight over the keepers head. He could never have got to it.
Ref could always disallow it for ungentlemanly conduct.
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Always feel easy way out of this is just make on some completely bull reason as for a foul throw. Say his feet were on the pitch or something similar1
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Hard to think it up at the time, but a canny ref should have re-started the re-start, having seen some (spurious) offence back at that time it was taken. Better to have a controversial free kick than a controversial goal0
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Where's Guisely ? That's one horrible accent.1
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se9addick said:
Where's Guisely ? That's one horrible accent.
It's a small town just outside of Leeds.0 -
Is that where the original Harry Ramsden's is? I think I've been thereAddickUpNorth said:se9addick said:Where's Guisely ? That's one horrible accent.
It's a small town just outside of Leeds.0 - Sponsored links:
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Just up the road from me. Just outside of Leeds. Bloody cheats.se9addick said:Where's Guisely ? That's one horrible accent.
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It is. I've never been to Guiseley but there's some nice little places round there.0
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Guiseley isn't too bad, not exactly a tourist hot spot but plenty of nice places around it. More a commuter town to Leeds or Bradford really.0
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Erhhh... perhaps I'm being a bit thick, but what was wrong with it exactly?
Throw in was taken legitimately, the ball was in play and it looked like the player took a speculative punt at goal - completely lobbing the keeper. Just like Shelvey, Rooney and so on.. Seems entirely fair?
Or was there a break in play and were they expecting the ball to be given back?
Edit - Just seen that they kicked the ball out to allow a player to receive treatment on the opposing team - in that case it's wrong. I think the player was only booting it towards the goalie too.0 -
There was an injury and Braintree had kicked the ball out. Guisely were supposed to give it back but he overhit it, unintentionally I think.1
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OK. Foul throw then. Sorted.3
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Nothing wrong with it in my mind. There is nothing in the laws of the game that says that
1) you should kick the ball out of play so that another player gets treatment
2) that the opposing players should give you the ball back if you do.
I stand to be corrected but I dont believe the old days of the ref blowing up for a player to be treated & then giving a drop ball have been outlawed - only change being that play is only stopped if its a head injury or a player is severely injured. If a player kicks the ball out because he wants a team mate treated then what follows is his look-out. What would you want a CAFC player to do if on the last game v Burnley we needed a win to stay up[ & on 90 mins its 1-1 and one of their players boots the ball off because his team mate has gone down injured. I'd hope we kept it & went for goal just like in the clip shown.The laws are in place for this - let the ref decide.
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Braintree kicked the ball out for the Guisley player to receive treatment, there is no possible justification for Guisley not to just give the ball back, none. As some have said enough, once the ref has spoken to the lino, he should just signal foul throw and get on with the restart.3
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so the ref is supposed to cheat, lie & tell the lino it was a foul throw.randy andy said:Braintree kicked the ball out for the Guisley player to receive treatment, there is no possible justification for Guisley not to just give the ball back, none. As some have said enough, once the ref has spoken to the lino, he should just signal foul throw and get on with the restart.
No ;laws were broken. Hopefully the players have leant from this I always thought that 1 of the first things you are taught is to play to the refs whistle. If he hasn't blown - catty on with the game.1 -
If Guisely had been away they wouldn't have got away with that. The fans would have lost it. Absolutely against the spirit of the game. The same thing happened the other day in a game bury were playing in. They let Leon Clarke walk the ball into the net on the restart.0
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Scott Minto, FA cup v Bristol City, 1994. Curbs told him not to return the ball.
We didn't score from the throw on but it didn't go down well with the opposition players or the home fans.0 -
I thought we did score pretty much immediately from the throw, but that could just be my memory playing tricks.charltonkeston said:Scott Minto, FA cup v Bristol City, 1994. Curbs told him not to return the ball.
We didn't score from the throw on but it didn't go down well with the opposition players or the home fans.
Anyway, back to the matter in hand. It looks like they Guisley player overhit it, certainly the guy who took the throw-in wondered what he was playing it. What I find interesting, or perhaps that's too politer a phrase, is the reaction of the Guisley supporters.2 -
Even the Guiseley No.19 looks at his team-mate as if to say: What the hell were you doing1
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I seem to remember we scored pretty much from the throw, with that charming man Alan Pardew putting the ball in the netAddicksAddict said:
I thought we did score pretty much immediately from the throw, but that could just be my memory playing tricks.charltonkeston said:Scott Minto, FA cup v Bristol City, 1994. Curbs told him not to return the ball.
We didn't score from the throw on but it didn't go down well with the opposition players or the home fans.
Anyway, back to the matter in hand. It looks like they Guisley player overhit it, certainly the guy who took the throw-in wondered what he was playing it. What I find interesting, or perhaps that's too politer a phrase, is the reaction of the Guisley supporters.0 -
Bristol City was different, they put it out for their player, not ours. So we were under no obligation, and they had been wasting time pretty much from the moment the second half started. And their last defender was being chased down by our striker and hacked it out, then claimed it was for an injury and not simply a rushed clearance. All in all, Bristol had no right to feel aggrieved.2
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For whatever reason one of the teams was deliberately not even attempting to prevent the other from scoring!
No specific rule in football against this but it is impossible to permit it in a league situation.
Must replay or charge BOTH teams with disrepute and award zero points for game.0 -
Virtually every throw in is a foul throw because the throwers feet have to be on or behind the line. If their boot is as much as a millimeter over it is a foul throw. Happens all the time, would be an easy decision to make.golfaddick said:
so the ref is supposed to cheat, lie & tell the lino it was a foul throw.randy andy said:Braintree kicked the ball out for the Guisley player to receive treatment, there is no possible justification for Guisley not to just give the ball back, none. As some have said enough, once the ref has spoken to the lino, he should just signal foul throw and get on with the restart.
No ;laws were broken. Hopefully the players have leant from this I always thought that 1 of the first things you are taught is to play to the refs whistle. If he hasn't blown - catty on with the game.0 -
I thought the same, but around 4-5 years ago they changed the rule so as long as part of each boot was on or behind any part of the line it's not a foul throw. So you could have half of each foot on the pitch and it'd now be legal.seth plum said:
Virtually every throw in is a foul throw because the throwers feet have to be on or behind the line. If their boot is as much as a millimeter over it is a foul throw. Happens all the time, would be an easy decision to make.golfaddick said:
so the ref is supposed to cheat, lie & tell the lino it was a foul throw.randy andy said:Braintree kicked the ball out for the Guisley player to receive treatment, there is no possible justification for Guisley not to just give the ball back, none. As some have said enough, once the ref has spoken to the lino, he should just signal foul throw and get on with the restart.
No ;laws were broken. Hopefully the players have leant from this I always thought that 1 of the first things you are taught is to play to the refs whistle. If he hasn't blown - catty on with the game.0 -
Common misconception I'm afraid Seth.seth plum said:
Virtually every throw in is a foul throw because the throwers feet have to be on or behind the line. If their boot is as much as a millimeter over it is a foul throw. Happens all the time, would be an easy decision to make.golfaddick said:
so the ref is supposed to cheat, lie & tell the lino it was a foul throw.randy andy said:Braintree kicked the ball out for the Guisley player to receive treatment, there is no possible justification for Guisley not to just give the ball back, none. As some have said enough, once the ref has spoken to the lino, he should just signal foul throw and get on with the restart.
No ;laws were broken. Hopefully the players have leant from this I always thought that 1 of the first things you are taught is to play to the refs whistle. If he hasn't blown - catty on with the game.
As long as neither foot is completely over the line then the throw in is fine.
Can't find anywhere official that confirms this, but the images on this link show this:
http://www.fryclubjfc.co.uk/FCJ_Stuff/LOAF/Throw In/Results/resultspage.htm
http://www.refchat.co.uk/threads/what-constitutes-a-foul-throw.6636/0
