Following Murrays Statement re Champioship players.....
Johnson & Poyet benched firmly.... Teixeira being used but from Belgium football ...ahead of Johnson recent Indian football not match fit.... Fanni from Quatar football ..not match fit & Sanoko struggling at Ajax..not match fit. Murray said that its crazy to think that RD wants the club to be relegated. I would beg to differ given these "championship experienced recruits"
RM hasn't had a word to say since..he must realise that he has to eat his words if indeed they were his ...
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They want us down. No question.Valcross said:Where is it that the regime have improved the squad..
Johnson & Poyet benched firmly.... Teixeira being used but from Belgium football ...ahead of Johnson recent Indian football not match fit.... Fanni from Quatar football ..not match fit & Sanoko struggling at Ajax..not match fit. Murray said that its crazy to think that RD wants the club to be relegated. I would beg to differ given these "championship experienced recruits"
RM hasn't had a word to say since..he must realise that he has to eat his words if indeed they were his ...
Already planning to close stands next season.
I'd say its a given and they've done very little to arrest the slide into league one.
Why? Anyone's guess.0 -
I'm fully convinced this f*cker wants us to crumble under a created smokescreen for the potential of something I don't even know for sure what yet.
The pathetic unrealistic attempt to break even is just not feasible or believable, or even sell-able and its just about cutting as much losses as possible for the future while making it look like he's running a football club and people don't get any ideas. It's all innocent.....
Truth is It's not an experiment, its a plan thought of backwards. He's sold a bollocks idea to gullable individuals but only the fans don't buy it...along with other people in football questioning it..which eventually doesn't matter anyway. He's had worse shit thrown at him from Leige fans and already had the media up his ass in his own country.
He has absolutely no ambition for us to achieve anything of worth in competitive football. The things he has done for Charlton ie sort the pitch out, is a long term smokescreen to try and limit any questions of true intention...... "On yeh makes no sense he spent this amount of money on the stadium, why do that"
He's at his end game now he's an old man that probably wants another consistent profitable business for his children to inherit.
The acadamy is the heart, the key and obviously where most of the ambition lies in terms of regular income. Remember this guy is an ideas man...an out the box thinker...as he so claims himself. That stupid political party ...or belief that he is similar to someone capable of breaking the enigma code.
He will have no problem doing something that has never been done before and will thrive on that thought.
Running charlton, losing money every year and cheap tickets for fans is not out the goodness of his heart, its that it simply doesn't matter to him at present either way. Minimal losses would be nice I guess ....but not extremely essential.
The valley will become a multiplex with stands knocked down. The football club will still exist but will be secendary to what he creates. Will be a majorly low cost running football club where alot more people lose work.
He will be happy Meire is getting a lot of verbal knocks where she now feels angry and personally atacked as it gets her even more onside and detached from fans. The fact that she is a lawyer is key to these overall plans. She is the CEO because she is a lawyer.
Getting permission for all this kind of stuff....I don't exactly know how he would go about it or how easy it would be.
A half billionaire is not usually a stupid person.
He's hiding behind his money and not attending Charlton games because he can.
He may have a few times but he does not watch the games via live stream I'm doubtful of that. KM might as well just lie about absolutely everything.
The fact that KM constantly repeats herself selling the idea that he has invested very heavily becuase he's such a great guy...is another indicator of bullshit. The fact that she feels the need to say "we have nothing to hide" (fans forum) is a stupid reverse attack. Who the F*ck says that? Why would you have "something to hide".
The fact that Murray said "why would he buy the club just to run it down it defies logic"
Means Murray simply has not got a frickin clue about anything and kept well in the dark quite easily but he's happy to accept.
On yeh, Richard Murray on the recruitmemt of championship worth players...19 -
I totally agree with the other posters. I can see a move away from The Valley and another ground share coming up. All he is interested in is the academy making a really good revenue stream. He's just not interested in the first team.
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Think you could well be right Dave2l.
I've thought for a while that there must be a master plan that we have no idea of. Best guess, and it's only a guess, is that he links the state of the art academy to one or more big London Premiership clubs (not us of course) and sells the Valley (or puts housing on it himself). Charlton will be playing lower level football in a 10k seat stadium somewhere with a mixture of players right at the end of their career and kids from the academy.
Conspiracy theory? Yes, absolutely, but you wouldn't put it past the prick.0 -
Sadly, we have learned of late that Murray is as much of a liar as Meire. His more recent comments were aimed at the media and not the fans, and have already been shown to be little more than bullshit - better communications, Championship-ready players etc. To me, he has used up all his hard-earned goodwill and is no better, and no more trustworthy, than the rest. He will simply do as he is told, say what he is told to say, and be used to give the Belgians credibility with the wider world.10
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This is also what I think he is trying to do.
He can see the money in producing young English players and selling them on and I'm sure it is easier to field a 18 year old and highlight how good they are in league 2 than in the championship.
If we stay up, it's because of how good our young players are and they are straight in the shop window. If we go down, it just means the league is easier for more youth players to come in.
And all the debt is being tied to the club so if this doesn't work out, he can sell the ground for housing and he hasn't lost anything.
It's a no lose situation for him and we the fans, sorry customers lose everything.
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Basically, we're f*cked?1
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Could the Charlton Academy live on without a club to go with it, loaning youth players to surrounding clubs as part of their development while retaining the proceeds of their eventual sales? Saves money for the other clubs, cuts off the loss making part of our club. Win/win situation for everyone apart from the Charlton Athletic customers.
A shiver just went up my spine.0 -
Can we just clarify that? I thought the ground was under some sort of community interest protection or something. @Airman Brown is that the case?Blinkant said:This is also what I think he is trying to do.
He can see the money in producing young English players and selling them on and I'm sure it is easier to field a 18 year old and highlight how good they are in league 2 than in the championship.
If we stay up, it's because of how good our young players are and they are straight in the shop window. If we go down, it just means the league is easier for more youth players to come in.
And all the debt is being tied to the club so if this doesn't work out, he can sell the ground for housing and he hasn't lost anything.
It's a no lose situation for him and we the fans, sorry customers lose everything.0 -
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Thing is... These kids come and sign for our Youth Academy because they know they'll given a chance in its own First Team, if you take away the latter will kids want to sign? - What'll be the difference between us and the already created Nike Academy?LeaburnForEngland said:Could the Charlton Academy live on without a club to go with it, loaning youth players to surrounding clubs as part of their development while retaining the proceeds of their eventual sales? Saves money for the other clubs, cuts off the loss making part of our club. Win/win situation for everyone apart from the Charlton Athletic customers.
A shiver just went up my spine.3 -
Murray ain't told the truth in years fuck him and his bullshit6
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Murray's turned in to a complete joke as well. No time for him and his bullshit.0
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I wouldn't rely on the planning system to protect The Valley but it simply isn't worth enough money as residential to make a plan, secret or otherwise, to run down the club stack up. I'm happy to defer to others with better knowledge, but the valuation I've had is £12m-£15m. He has to pay £7m of that out to the former directors. It makes no sense to spend £50m to get £8m back.cabbles said:
Can we just clarify that? I thought the ground was under some sort of community interest protection or something. @Airman Brown is that the case?Blinkant said:This is also what I think he is trying to do.
He can see the money in producing young English players and selling them on and I'm sure it is easier to field a 18 year old and highlight how good they are in league 2 than in the championship.
If we stay up, it's because of how good our young players are and they are straight in the shop window. If we go down, it just means the league is easier for more youth players to come in.
And all the debt is being tied to the club so if this doesn't work out, he can sell the ground for housing and he hasn't lost anything.
It's a no lose situation for him and we the fans, sorry customers lose everything.5 -
That makes no sense to me. There is big money to be made in football to the upside, not by property development at this belated stage of the property cycle with financial markets once again on the precipice.carly burn said:
They want us down. No question.Valcross said:Where is it that the regime have improved the squad..
Johnson & Poyet benched firmly.... Teixeira being used but from Belgium football ...ahead of Johnson recent Indian football not match fit.... Fanni from Quatar football ..not match fit & Sanoko struggling at Ajax..not match fit. Murray said that its crazy to think that RD wants the club to be relegated. I would beg to differ given these "championship experienced recruits"
RM hasn't had a word to say since..he must realise that he has to eat his words if indeed they were his ...
Already planning to close stands next season.
I'd say its a given and they've done very little to arrest the slide into league one.
Why? Anyone's guess.
It seems to me to be an extremely convoluted way of possibly making some money years into the future so long as everything goes exactly as he planned.
A far easier way for him to make a quick buck would have been to purchase 4/5 quality players and get us up into the Premiership ASAP.
I'm coming to the conclusion that money isn't his motivation at all. Anyone who cared about their money wouldn't have spent so much on Polish Pete and all the numerous other examples of shocking waste. I think we are simply part of an experiment for a bored old bloke with too much money and some crazy ideas.8 -
Long term closure and ground sharing are way too far ahead for me to see, but given our owners, anything is posible. However, the january transfer window was just as useless for us as it ever has been. While moving Vaz Te back to Turkey was in itself a good thing, the fact that most of the new signings appear to be a long way from our pathetic levels in the first XI (check the table, we are bottom) which makes Richard Murray at best a useless stooge, and probably more likely a liar of the highest order. The fact that he wittered on so beautifully about strengthening the team in january, and then becomes silent as the signings show their form, for me suggests he is colluding 100% with the enemy.
Just as an aside from abusing RM, the best way to make money in football is not to buy a club. If you do buy one, be prepared to invest. Next season, I read that the bottom club in the prem will make 99 million pound on the TV rights, but our accountants see a better return on trips to Port Vale and Barnsley. Is it even worth arguing with idiots like that?13 -
Im no fan of the regime, but as Ive mentioned elsewhere on here why would anyone buy a football club then go through a multi-year scheme of running it into the ground just so he can build some flats or something. Wouldnt it just be cheaper and quicker to simply find a spot to build the flats on and never bother with the football club? Also has Roland ever expressed an interest in property in his entire career? Why start now at his age?
You could also use the same point for the academy. If hes obsessed with making money from selling young players, why not just set up a football academy on its own? Surely that would also save money as you dont have a football club to take care of alongside it.1 -
I simply don't believe there's a deliberate policy to run the club down, get it relegated and cash in on real estate.
RD clearly believes he knows better than people who have been in the game for a lifetime. When it comes to football he is grossly incompetent and stubborn.
He is not deliberately doing this because he some kind of c***. He is accidentally doing this because he is some kind of c***.20 -
I actually think he is a delegator who surrounds himself with trusted fools who are determined to stay aboard the gravy train no matter what. These people will tell him what he wants to hear and are terrified of ever daring to disagree with him for fear of being discarded.Vincenzo said:I simply don't believe there's a deliberate policy to run the club down, get it relegated and cash in on real estate.
RD clearly believes he knows better than people who have been in the game for a lifetime. When it comes to football he is grossly incompetent and stubborn.
He is not deliberately doing this because he some kind of c***. He is accidentally doing this because he is some kind of c***.6 -
Murray is taking the money .....that's all he is doing ..whatever he says now is to late.
He has made his bed and lying it ..
I reckon though he still has one big pay-out to come .0 -
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If duchatelet wanted us to be relegated he would not buy in or loan any players at all, it would be a total waste of money.0
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Murray isn't paid to be chairman. He is owed £2.5m or thereabouts, part of £7m due to the old board but not accruing interest and only payable on promotion, winding-up or sale.jdsd42 said:Murray is taking the money .....that's all he is doing ..whatever he says now is to late.
He has made his bed and lying it ..
I reckon though he still has one big pay-out to come .0 -
Not much chance of Murray getting his money thenAirman Brown said:
Murray isn't paid to be chairman. He is owed £2.5m or thereabouts, part of £7m due to the old board but not accruing interest and only payable on promotion, winding-up or sale.jdsd42 said:Murray is taking the money .....that's all he is doing ..whatever he says now is to late.
He has made his bed and lying it ..
I reckon though he still has one big pay-out to come .0 -
Airman Brown said:
Murray isn't paid to be chairman. He is owed £2.5m or thereabouts, part of £7m due to the old board but not accruing interest and only payable on promotion, winding-up or sale.jdsd42 said:Murray is taking the money .....that's all he is doing ..whatever he says now is to late.
He has made his bed and lying it ..
I reckon though he still has one big pay-out to come .0 -
Wasn't Murray's last statement - ages ago about how the club accepts it needs to communicate with the fans better. I don't think it is worth taking notice of any of his statements, he obviously makes it all up[ as he goes along!0
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He has been winding me up for years must've made himself all his money back and Interest owed1
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Do Murray and the old board have a first charge over the assets to secure their loans?
I have no idea whether or not they do but if they do and the assets (ie The Valley in the main) realise £7m or more then they all get their money back.
Might explain the lack of interest in playing success if there are charges.
Roland doesn't care because all he is interested in is farming youngsters. He just needs to play at a sufficiently high enough level to develop those youngsters.
As for Murray if and when the 'customers' walk away in sheer despair and exasperation then he'll get his money back.
A lot less aggro to wind the thing up than strive for promotion from their (money interest) perspective.0 -
Hence one big pay day still to come !!!!Airman Brown said:
Murray isn't paid to be chairman. He is owed £2.5m or thereabouts, part of £7m due to the old board but not accruing interest and only payable on promotion, winding-up or sale.jdsd42 said:Murray is taking the money .....that's all he is doing ..whatever he says now is to late.
He has made his bed and lying it ..
I reckon though he still has one big pay-out to come .0 -
You could probably achieve this and keep the club at the valley, Small 10k stadium flats on the rest. You could start with the South Stand, hold on ????charente addick said:Think you could well be right Dave2l.
I've thought for a while that there must be a master plan that we have no idea of. Best guess, and it's only a guess, is that he links the state of the art academy to one or more big London Premiership clubs (not us of course) and sells the Valley (or puts housing on it himself). Charlton will be playing lower level football in a 10k seat stadium somewhere with a mixture of players right at the end of their career and kids from the academy.
Conspiracy theory? Yes, absolutely, but you wouldn't put it past the prick.0 -
The closing of stands rumour seems to be gathering wind, heard it a few times outside of CL. I did hear one a while back that KM raised the question of re-naming the Jimmy Seed stand with an advertisement brand... people didn't take the suggestion serious, although I'm pretty damn sure she was being serious at the time!1
