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Exclusive: Karel Fraeye responds to Charlton Athletic recruitment rumours - SLP
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Roland is doing the recruitment through his mind palaceCovered End said:Reasonable interview, but we really need a more Paxman approach.
There is still no clarity on who is doing the recruitment.0 -
And so can seriously red but, you know, i don't want to encourage him :-)ShootersHillGuru said:
Can back Seth up on this one.seth plum said:Not exactly random, we were in the directors lounge after the 0-2 loss to Birmingham City.
Both SHG and SR were briefing the rest of the Trust at the time on KF and the other bloke. SR was terribly impressed with him.
But to be fair this only proves that they were involved in assessing our existing squad. I think KF described himself to SR as an analyst, or maybe SR simply gave him that title.
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At the time Karel Fraeye also described himself to me as some kind of analyst, and said he was working with the entirety of Roland's network.
I reported on Charlton Life on my boardroom experience fully back then, little knowing the the significance of the folk I met. I have also mentioned the experience when discussing subsequent events.
Indeed seriously-red, and Annakissed were also there, as was razil. However significant or insignificant it looks, Karel Fraeye was clearly involved in events at Charlton from the start of this regimes tenure, and certainly whilst Chris Powell was manager.
Also around that time I am pretty sure Fanny and I saw him at Sparrows Lane when I was up there for a youth or academy game, I can't remember the exact game or date, and we didn't talk, so I didn't report it here at the time.
It has been reported that Karel Fraeye had no input, and he declares that with a shrug and a 'people will believe what they want to believe' line, he can want his version of events out there for some reason, but the way to convince me that there have not been a load of Fraeye-input players, is to tell us who was responsible for them.
If Fraeye can be specific about Igor, maybe he will be specific about all the other unknown players signed under our string of short term managers.8 -
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I guess it's funnier from where you're standing
'Cause from over here I miss the joke
Clear the way for my crash landing
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Behind the glass
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Behind the glass
Go 'head and laugh
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I would too if I saw me
I'll be your clown
On your favorite channel
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Round in circus
I'm selling out tonight
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I put makeup on my face
But there's no way you can feel it
From so far away
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Behind the glass
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On your favorite channel
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Actually fits pretty well without altering.0 -
I was impressed with him too. Seemed very knowledgable, likeable and genial. What he said to me was along the lines of " I watch a lot of players. I know a lot of players"PragueAddick said:
And so can seriously red but, you know, i don't want to encourage him :-)ShootersHillGuru said:
Can back Seth up on this one.seth plum said:Not exactly random, we were in the directors lounge after the 0-2 loss to Birmingham City.
Both SHG and SR were briefing the rest of the Trust at the time on KF and the other bloke. SR was terribly impressed with him.
But to be fair this only proves that they were involved in assessing our existing squad. I think KF described himself to SR as an analyst, or maybe SR simply gave him that title.
Doesn't prove that he was actively scouting for us in particular but that was the kind of impression I got from him. I'm not sure why someone painting themselves as a player analyst would be so consistently involved with us and watching all our games if he wasn't reporting on players to the club.
The only other conclusion I could draw would be that he was acting as "Roland's man" giving analysis of our performances.
Other than that I cannot further the discussion.
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Remember he also told owenwiththehat and myself that he was going to come back and be our manager when he was Riga's assistant.
My own personal views are that KF is a real driving force with RD and that RD trusts him 100%
Unfortunately for us, IMHO, KF is no more than an academy coach at best6 -
Unfortunately I fear you are right. It seems that RD trusts few people but when he does he gives them far more rope than they can handle. He claims to want to cut back on agents and their earnings, yet puts huge faith in one Israeli agent, Dudu Duhan. It's unwise to put faith in any one agent because these people put themselves first, every time.cafc999 said:Remember he also told owenwiththehat and myself that he was going to come back and be our manager when he was Riga's assistant.
My own personal views are that KF is a real driving force with RD and that RD trusts him 100%
Unfortunately for us, IMHO, KF is no more than an academy coach at best
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As Prague has just suggested I think this analysis is very near the money.cafc999 said:Remember he also told owenwiththehat and myself that he was going to come back and be our manager when he was Riga's assistant.
My own personal views are that KF is a real driving force with RD and that RD trusts him 100%
Unfortunately for us, IMHO, KF is no more than an academy coach at best
I find it very odd that having a strategy of acquiring potential rather than proven players does not also include having a very talented experienced manager who can get the best out of this "potential" pool of players. Even at significant cost.
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Because said manager would expect a least a large degree of control over which players come and and which are played.ShootersHillGuru said:
As Prague has just suggested I think this analysis is very near the money.cafc999 said:Remember he also told owenwiththehat and myself that he was going to come back and be our manager when he was Riga's assistant.
My own personal views are that KF is a real driving force with RD and that RD trusts him 100%
Unfortunately for us, IMHO, KF is no more than an academy coach at best
I find it very odd that having a strategy of acquiring potential rather than proven players does not also include having a very talented experienced manager who can get the best out of this "potential" pool of players. Even at significant cost.
That can't be allowed in the Roland model so younger, less experienced coaches who RD thinks will be malleable (Fraeye, Peeters) are hired or coaches are quickly moved on (Powell, Peeters again, Riga) when they "rebel" against the model. Failure to produce results is down to the coaches (Luzon, Peeters, Powell) never the model.
The model HAS to be made work because Roland is trying to prove that there is a different and better way to run a football club and make money from it.
He ISN'T trying to make Charlton successful per see or certainly not in the way that most fans would perceive it. Any playing success for Charlton will be a by-product of proving that the "buy and sell plus matchday experience" model works. Playing success is almost incidental to Roland as he said when he took over. "winning isn't important". The model and the break even is what matters.
Hence the pattern is repeated every summer (new, young, inexperienced players and often coach) and the slightly awkward "we realised we've underestimated the championship" readjustment made every winter (older, experienced, UK based players and often a new coach).
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and that's how RD inspires such loyalty from KF and KM. He takes people from nothing and gives them huge responsibility and a big (for them) salary and trusts them. This ensures his "people" would do anything and if necessary lie for him.PragueAddick said:
Unfortunately I fear you are right. It seems that RD trusts few people but when he does he gives them far more rope than they can handle. He claims to want to cut back on agents and their earnings, yet puts huge faith in one Israeli agent, Dudu Duhan. It's unwise to put faith in any one agent because these people put themselves first, every time.cafc999 said:Remember he also told owenwiththehat and myself that he was going to come back and be our manager when he was Riga's assistant.
My own personal views are that KF is a real driving force with RD and that RD trusts him 100%
Unfortunately for us, IMHO, KF is no more than an academy coach at best5 -
I wonder how much Dudu Duhan has made out of Charlton in the past two years.PragueAddick said:
Unfortunately I fear you are right. It seems that RD trusts few people but when he does he gives them far more rope than they can handle. He claims to want to cut back on agents and their earnings, yet puts huge faith in one Israeli agent, Dudu Duhan. It's unwise to put faith in any one agent because these people put themselves first, every time.2 -
Nail on head.Henry Irving said:
Because said manager would expect a least a large degree of control over which players come and and which are played.ShootersHillGuru said:
As Prague has just suggested I think this analysis is very near the money.cafc999 said:Remember he also told owenwiththehat and myself that he was going to come back and be our manager when he was Riga's assistant.
My own personal views are that KF is a real driving force with RD and that RD trusts him 100%
Unfortunately for us, IMHO, KF is no more than an academy coach at best
I find it very odd that having a strategy of acquiring potential rather than proven players does not also include having a very talented experienced manager who can get the best out of this "potential" pool of players. Even at significant cost.
That can't be allowed in the Roland model so younger, less experienced coaches who RD thinks will be malleable (Fraeye, Peeters) are hired or coaches are quickly moved on (Powell, Peeters again, Riga) when they "rebel" against the model. Failure to produce results is down to the coaches (Luzon, Peeters, Powell) never the model.
The model HAS to be made work because Roland is trying to prove that there is a different and better way to run a football club and make money from it.
He ISN'T trying to make Charlton successful per see or certainly not in the way that most fans would perceive it. Any playing success for Charlton will be a by-product of proving that the "buy and sell plus matchday experience" model works. Playing success is almost incidental to Roland as he said when he took over. "winning isn't important". The model and the break even is what matters.
Hence the pattern is repeated every summer (new, young, inexperienced players and often coach) and the slightly awkward "we realised we've underestimated the championship" readjustment made every winter (older, experienced, UK based players and often a new coach).
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