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Imagine how the players feel
Charltonparklane
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Reading and watching some of the videos and reactions to it from the fans.
The players are not thick and will know the long term goals etc.
Fck, imagine playing knowing there is no ambition to be promoted or that your superiors don't really care what happens.
I know we are fans but shit, I'd hate to be a player and really don't think we could get on their backs as a lifelong supporter of nearly 40years..
Bit dumbfounded at the moment with it all tbh.
The players are not thick and will know the long term goals etc.
Fck, imagine playing knowing there is no ambition to be promoted or that your superiors don't really care what happens.
I know we are fans but shit, I'd hate to be a player and really don't think we could get on their backs as a lifelong supporter of nearly 40years..
Bit dumbfounded at the moment with it all tbh.
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Yeah imagine it, some collecting 10 grand a week, to stroll around on a pitch not giving a shit. Hard life aye.10
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Modern football - I'm absolutely sure most won't give a flying one, but the more talented will be pissed off at playing with dross, and being 'managed' by someone from the second tier of Belgian football - and want to leave asap.5
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Yep, I fully understand that mate, but my point is how could you motivate yourself knowing the situation, downward spiral I'm afraid.cafc4life said:Yeah imagine it, some collecting 10 grand a week, to stroll around on a pitch not giving a shit. Hard life aye.
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That coming from someone who pays to play at 40 years of age.1
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poor little mites, its a had life1
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Think my point is missed, my point is that I can't see how anybody could feel motivated knowing the current situation.
The 10k players will get 10k anywhere, the others will pick up the same wage they are on anywhere.
Think my point is that it won't be the players fault trying to play knowing what's going on around them.
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I know, imagine turning up to training each day and enduring training from Belgian waiter.
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As always, people get this completely wrong and somehow try to compare the player's situations to their own lives/jobs.
The question is not whether this type of negative influence makes a player's job more difficult than, say, a postman's.
We care about how successful our team is, so the issue is whether the conditions at the club put our players at a disadvantage when compared to the FOOTBALLERS at our competitors. Not postmen, not builders, not you or I.
All footballers are well paid, but OUR players are surrounded by negativity and mismanagement. That has a relative impact.
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Gudmundssons form and attitude this season in comparison to last season speaks for itself.
One example of a player finally understanding the business model..,8 -
The players don't give a toss. That's why we're down at the bottom of the league staring into the abyss.2
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It is their job. Simple really, just do it to the best they can.
I work for the NHS and before that Connex, so i am used to shit managers, but it doesn't stop me doing it, why should it stop them?2 -
It doesn't stop you doing your job, but compare your effectiveness under shit managers to another organisation with excellent management. Who will achieve better results?cafckev said:It is their job. Simple really, just do it to the best they can.
I work for the NHS and before that Connex, so i am used to shit managers, but it doesn't stop me doing it, why should it stop them?
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I still do my job,to the best of my ability, i don't stop or feel sorry for myself.0
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Not sure the players 'stop'. They just play worse than the opposition every week. An opposition made up of footballers also on high wages.cafckev said:I still do my job,to the best of my ability, i don't stop or feel sorry for myself.
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I agree certain players must feel like why should i give a toss? players like JBG and Cousins who were promised that the club actually had ambition, they must feel like they have been taken for a mug and so would I.
And then there are players like Lookman, Holmes Dennis, Fox, products of the academy who are thinking, where is this club heading? why am i still here? should i move to a bigger club?
Finally players like Vaz te and Diarra, who are towards the end back end of their career who still yet have something to offer but they must be thinking thank lord my contract wont keep me here for much longer and I can get out of this shambles.
I don't really sympathies with the players as they are still earning good money but it is how they most likely feel about our club that worries me the most.4 -
Comparisons of teams from different eras are never going to be conclusive, but I think of the stalwarts running out under the guidance of Lennie Lawrence and Curbs and Gritty. Good management, in both cases, allied with a personal commitment from individual players, and a solidity and unity in team ethic.
But this was not from some bygone age only; we had it recently, under Chris Powell, and his hand-picked squad - an enlightened management and a gutsy side that chimed with the terraces.
Some good players have run out in Charlton shirts since CP was sacked, no doubt, but the management - and I refer here not so much to the coaches, but to the owner - has never chimed with us. It probably never will, for it is alien and aloof.
Who knows what the players think. It's hard to speak truth to power, and that's probably the case irrespective of what you earn, when all around you are competitors seeking to displace you from the team.
Something about the playing side of things is not right...and my feeling is that the distant, unfathomable management is largely the cause.
Like most, I hope we can break free of this strange, unsettling regime before long, and re-set the co-ordinates, so that SE7 can feel like home again. That moment may be some time in coming, but I look forward to it, nevertheless.6 -
I have been saying for a long time the players are to blame just as much as the bored. If the players cared they could be higher up the league. As paying fans we have every right to be angry as at the end of the season we can not leave Charlton and go and support another club like players can go and play for a different team.0
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Second tier ! Try third division (regional league A) !boggzy said:Modern football - I'm absolutely sure most won't give a flying one, but the more talented will be pissed off at playing with dross, and being 'managed' by someone from the second tier of Belgian football - and want to leave asap.
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My mistake. It really is beyond belief.0
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I have held this view for a long time.cafc4life said:Yeah imagine it, some collecting 10 grand a week, to stroll around on a pitch not giving a shit. Hard life aye.
But I tend to think players who get paid mega money for the likes of Chelsea, Man United, Barcelona etc, they do not need the money and are playing for medals.
The also-rans are just playing for the next contract.
Two of the biggest mercenaries in my book, Adebayor and Sven-Goran Eriksson.0 -
They don't give a shit because their ambitions are nothing to do with football achievements and winning trophies. They use their wealth and status to maximise their appeal to the opposite sex. Their glory lies in having different girlfriends all over the place.cafc4life said:Yeah imagine it, some collecting 10 grand a week, to stroll around on a pitch not giving a shit. Hard life aye.
There are a few like this in our squad. How do I know this? I just do.0 -
I used the line "hey, do you know who I am" the last time I tried to get into a nightclub.
The bouncer came back with "yeah, you're the c*** who follows Charlton, the drinks are on the house".1 -
The only ones who I have some sympathy for in our plight are the newest youngsters that have been blooded this season. THD is a great example. Looks a decent talent, yet given how shit we have been, he's been thrust into action too often, too soon. His full league debut was Preston. What a horrible game for him. We were awful. The atmosphere was awful. For however much KM bangs on about pride in our academy, their ownership could also destroy a few as well as produce the odd gem.
Another reason I take issue with these owners. Under investment has led to too many youngsters too soon. We then come to rely on them at too young an age.
However, although a bad atmosphere isn't conducive to getting the best out of players, they do have to take some responsibility. Yet I was about to list those more seasoned pros in the team like JBG and Solly, but remembered even our new signings who have been largely shit, are also too young. It's RD, it's all RD's doing3 -
I don't put the blame all on the players. They have to do what they are told to do by incompetent line managers from the pub landlord of a coach to the puppets of senior staff. But the players are not really up to this level so, no I have little sympathy for them. They are robbing a living, well most of them.0
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The players are mostly doing their (in some cases limited) best, a few are not of that I'm sure.
Whatever, I am gonna bang my favourite drum yet again ... booing and jeering is just not going to improve either morale or performance, quite the contrary , we are where we are player wise, we'll just have to hope that the penny/centime/100th of a € has dropped with Duchatelet and he frees some cash to sign some fresh blood a s a p1 -
If the players feel crap they can take it up with Roland.6
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It's all relative. Sure they are motivated as professionals. They earn their money by turning up to training, fan meetings and community work, and following orders etc. But are they going to play as well as a team with an amazing spirit running from the top of the club to the bottom? Hell no.cafckev said:It is their job. Simple really, just do it to the best they can.
I work for the NHS and before that Connex, so i am used to shit managers, but it doesn't stop me doing it, why should it stop them?
They're going to be visiting stadiums of well-run clubs and duelling with players who are willing to fight for their badges. And they'll lose.2 -
And Watt is being shipped out for falling out with JBG and another who are not passing to him.Dave2l said:Gudmundssons form and attitude this season in comparison to last season speaks for itself.
One example of a player finally understanding the business model..,0
