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Charlton, 'Palace Ultras' and getting behind the team

Godstone
Godstone Posts: 700
in General Charlton
Booing of players, the gasps of exasperation at misplaced passes etc, only increase the chances that there will be no comeback when we go a goal behind. The Palace so-called 'Ultras' seem to sing, no matter what the score. That kind of naive optimism is worth a number of points over a season. When Charlton have a bad miss, pass, let in another goal by poor defending I cringe but don't react loudly.

There are fans who cheer only when we're winning, others no matter what and there is another type of fan who don't sing when we are playing well but are happy to shout abuse when we are not.

This is nothing new but if we could create an atmosphere that is positive, even a naive optimism, the players with the least confidence could go from being 5/10 to a 6/10 or a 6/10 to a 7/10 etc. Yes, and even the 2/10s could improve!
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  • NorthStandUltra
    NorthStandUltra Posts: 2,542
    Much easier to back the team when you believe in the club, many will say it's harder to back the product on the pitch when they have no belief or connection to Duchatelet & Miere.
  • Godstone
    Godstone Posts: 700
    NorthStandUltra said:

    Much easier to back the team when you believe in the club, many will say it's harder to back the product on the pitch when they have no belief or connection to Duchatelet & Miere.

    I agree, but that is where a kind of naivety is a good thing. Cheering as if we're champions when we know we're far from it.
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,898
    The average age of Charlton fans precludes naivety from entering into it, most are too long in tooth and understandably a lot of apathy has set in. Get it organised by all means it's worth a try, out of small acorns and all that.
  • ken_shabby
    ken_shabby Posts: 6,308
    Despite the ongoing shambles of CAFC, very few seem able to rouse themselves to protest. I agree with all the sentiments expressed, but it does'nt seem to be part of the Charlton DNA.
  • NorthStandUltra
    NorthStandUltra Posts: 2,542
    edited December 2015
    Apathy is the biggest threat to the club, people just can't be arsed to go/protest or whatever - pains me to say it, The Valley Party wouldn't happen now.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not having a pop at anyone, I have stopped going, I have a ST & haven't been since September other than Ipswich the other week. I don't like what's happening & can't support it, worryingly, I'm not missing it either.
  • Baldybonce
    Baldybonce Posts: 9,699
    I would rather hit my bollocks with a hammer than be like a palace ultra.
  • iaitch
    iaitch Posts: 10,315
    I would rather hit a Palace ultra with a hammer.
  • Addickted2U
    Addickted2U Posts: 3,113
    NorthStandUltra said:

    Apathy is the biggest threat to the club, people just can't be arsed to go/protest or whatever - pains me to say it, The Valley Party wouldn't happen now.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not having a pop at anyone, I have stopped going, I have a ST & haven't been since September other than Ipswich the other week. I don't like what's happening & can't support it, worryingly, I'm not missing it either.

    Have you thought about taking the Ultra out of your name NorthStand? Maybe NorthStandApathetic sits better :wink:
  • Simonsen
    Simonsen Posts: 5,544
    I still look back at those Red Division chaps away to Watford with a degree of respect. They gave it everything for 90 mins and had a right laugh doing it. And we won 4-3.
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,898
    edited December 2015
    Simonsen said:

    I still look back at those Red Division chaps away to Watford with a degree of respect. They gave it everything for 90 mins and had a right laugh doing it. And we won 4-3.

    They did and sitting standing just behind them I was happy to join in. I expect most of them are thinking of settling down to family life now @Greenie Junior :wink:

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  • hermann
    hermann Posts: 493
    Happened organically all the time under CP, 0-2 down to Cardiff being the best example...
  • Jaybinho
    Jaybinho Posts: 101
    Went to palace v Arsenal earlier this season & those ultras weren't so noisy when losing.!
  • InspectorSands
    InspectorSands Posts: 5,207
    edited December 2015
    Anyone in Britain who dubs themselves an "ultra", be they Palace or even Clapton, is going to come across as a bit of a twat, frankly.

    The Palace lot are especially absurd, but at least they have something to believe with the team doing well and an owner that's been doing a good job. If Steve Parish's new American chums start messing about with things, or Pardew's ego gets the better of him and the team takes a nosedive, then let's see what happens.

    There just isn't a lot to be enthusiastic about at Charlton, and there's precious little unity in the fanbase, beyond the protest-initiating core on this very website. Anyone that did try to make a noise would soon get the SIDDDAAAAAHHN! treatment.

    Of course, if we went on a long winning streak, things could be different...
  • man_at_milletts
    man_at_milletts Posts: 5,642
    Baldybonce said:

    I would rather hit my bollocks with a hammer than be like a palace ultra.

    and if you do, I'LL hit your bollocks with a hammer....
  • milo
    milo Posts: 389
    Ultras are what you get when Europeans try and copy British terrace culture and get it wrong, not massively wrong but still wrong. It's like listening to Austrian rock music, drinking Maltese whisky or putting a slice of Croatian cheddar in your ploughmans.

    I was in Spain on holiday and a mate ordered the full English breakfast in a bar. What he got was a boiled egg, a deep fried hotdog, a 'rasher' of salami and a slice of biscuit hard bread. The ingredients were sort of there but it was all wrong. Same with Ultras - the ingredients are there, singing / chanting, gesticulating / posturing and so on - it's just not right in some way.


  • Hastingsaddick
    Hastingsaddick Posts: 4,079
    Simonsen said:

    I still look back at those Red Division chaps away to Watford with a degree of respect. They gave it everything for 90 mins and had a right laugh doing it. And we won 4-3.

    Preffered the old B Mob.
  • Hastingsaddick
    Hastingsaddick Posts: 4,079
    milo said:

    Ultras are what you get when Europeans try and copy British terrace culture and get it wrong, not massively wrong but still wrong. It's like listening to Austrian rock music, drinking Maltese whisky or putting a slice of Croatian cheddar in your ploughmans.

    I was in Spain on holiday and a mate ordered the full English breakfast in a bar. What he got was a boiled egg, a deep fried hotdog, a 'rasher' of salami and a slice of biscuit hard bread. The ingredients were sort of there but it was all wrong. Same with Ultras - the ingredients are there, singing / chanting, gesticulating / posturing and so on - it's just not right in some way.


    You should of gone to Benidorm....you get a great English fry-up there.
  • A-R-T-H-U-R
    A-R-T-H-U-R Posts: 7,678
    man_at_milletts said:



    Baldybonce said:

    I would rather hit my bollocks with a hammer than be like a palace ultra.

    and if you do, I'LL hit your bollocks with a hammer....
    And I suppose you will find that hammer at the Olympic Stadium?
  • drewman
    drewman Posts: 1,105
    Godstone said:

    NorthStandUltra said:

    Much easier to back the team when you believe in the club, many will say it's harder to back the product on the pitch when they have no belief or connection to Duchatelet & Miere.

    I agree, but that is where a kind of naivety is a good thing. Cheering as if we're champions when we know we're far from it.
    I thought we didn't want to be like the palace ultras? Would you like the pa guy to read out the goal scorer and we could shout the surname?
  • man_at_milletts
    man_at_milletts Posts: 5,642
    A-R-T-H-U-R said:

    man_at_milletts said:



    Baldybonce said:

    I would rather hit my bollocks with a hammer than be like a palace ultra.

    and if you do, I'LL hit your bollocks with a hammer....
    And I suppose you will find that hammer at the Olympic Stadium?
    Not if Prague has anything to do with it :-)

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  • Simonsen
    Simonsen Posts: 5,544
    Hastingsaddick said:

    Simonsen said:

    I still look back at those Red Division chaps away to Watford with a degree of respect. They gave it everything for 90 mins and had a right laugh doing it. And we won 4-3.

    Preffered the old B Mob.
    I did too but they wouldn't get past the PC Brigade these days. Their performance of Hawaii Five-0 whilst seated canoe style with rowing motions, on the terrace at Ninian Park (opening game of 84-85) still makes me smile.
  • Dansk_Red
    Dansk_Red Posts: 5,739
    Where are these Ultra's going to meet before the game so the police can escort them to the ground. (They will need to have whip round to pay for the police).
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    When the referee lectured Fraeye last Tuesday, and many of our crowd chanted 'off off' I thought they were pitching their support just right.
    Organic, instant, and not manufactured by any 'let's get behind the boys' instructions, and it concealed a mixture of pain and humour, confusion and knowing where the responsibility sits.
    If players, management staff, or CEO's don't like our attitude take it up with Roland. I have paid my money and will react the way I see fit moment to moment.
  • Goonerhater
    Goonerhater Posts: 12,677
    edited December 2015
    Why the Feck would you go to Palarse V Goonershit ?? Rather sticks pins in my bollox
  • mogodon
    mogodon Posts: 3,434
    I have always sung my head off, even when we have had poor season or playing in front of piss-poor crowds during the nomadic era. But struggling to get any enthusiasm for this side, probably as much because of what's happening off the pitch, and it's also hard to be remorselessly upbeat when the football has been so poor
  • Jaybinho
    Jaybinho Posts: 101
    Goonerhater said:

    Why the Feck would you go to Palarse V Goonershit ?? Rather sticks pins in my bollox

    Free tickets. Still got the rash
  • Godstone
    Godstone Posts: 700
    drewman said:

    Godstone said:

    NorthStandUltra said:

    Much easier to back the team when you believe in the club, many will say it's harder to back the product on the pitch when they have no belief or connection to Duchatelet & Miere.

    I agree, but that is where a kind of naivety is a good thing. Cheering as if we're champions when we know we're far from it.
    I thought we didn't want to be like the palace ultras? Would you like the pa guy to read out the goal scorer and we could shout the surname?
    I don't want 'ultras' just for fans to get behind the team even when they're playing terrible.
  • ScottWestLower
    ScottWestLower Posts: 1
    milo said:

    Ultras are what you get when Europeans try and copy British terrace culture and get it wrong, not massively wrong but still wrong. It's like listening to Austrian rock music, drinking Maltese whisky or putting a slice of Croatian cheddar in your ploughmans.

    I was in Spain on holiday and a mate ordered the full English breakfast in a bar. What he got was a boiled egg, a deep fried hotdog, a 'rasher' of salami and a slice of biscuit hard bread. The ingredients were sort of there but it was all wrong. Same with Ultras - the ingredients are there, singing / chanting, gesticulating / posturing and so on - it's just not right in some way.


    Try and copy British terrace culture lol? Ultras have been around since the 50's and are completely different. Plus anyway look at the non-existent fan culture in England now, stadiums full of tourists and picnic fans while Europe couldn't be more different apart from a few places due to repression etc
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,337
    ScottWestLower said:

    milo said:

    Ultras are what you get when Europeans try and copy British terrace culture and get it wrong, not massively wrong but still wrong. It's like listening to Austrian rock music, drinking Maltese whisky or putting a slice of Croatian cheddar in your ploughmans.

    I was in Spain on holiday and a mate ordered the full English breakfast in a bar. What he got was a boiled egg, a deep fried hotdog, a 'rasher' of salami and a slice of biscuit hard bread. The ingredients were sort of there but it was all wrong. Same with Ultras - the ingredients are there, singing / chanting, gesticulating / posturing and so on - it's just not right in some way.


    Try and copy British terrace culture lol? Ultras have been around since the 50's and are completely different. Plus anyway look at the non-existent fan culture in England now, stadiums full of tourists and picnic fans while Europe couldn't be more different apart from a few places due to repression etc
    Lol red carded immediately .... Obviously a returning fruitcake
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,898
    oohaahmortimer said:

    ScottWestLower said:

    milo said:

    Ultras are what you get when Europeans try and copy British terrace culture and get it wrong, not massively wrong but still wrong. It's like listening to Austrian rock music, drinking Maltese whisky or putting a slice of Croatian cheddar in your ploughmans.

    I was in Spain on holiday and a mate ordered the full English breakfast in a bar. What he got was a boiled egg, a deep fried hotdog, a 'rasher' of salami and a slice of biscuit hard bread. The ingredients were sort of there but it was all wrong. Same with Ultras - the ingredients are there, singing / chanting, gesticulating / posturing and so on - it's just not right in some way.


    Try and copy British terrace culture lol? Ultras have been around since the 50's and are completely different. Plus anyway look at the non-existent fan culture in England now, stadiums full of tourists and picnic fans while Europe couldn't be more different apart from a few places due to repression etc
    Lol red carded immediately .... Obviously a returning fruitcake
    I saw that and thought to myself that's not good timing especially when the mods will be as p*ssed off as the rest of us tonight and on their guard.

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